CESSATIONISM AND HEALING
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Where have I ever denied the atonement? It is indeed central to our faith. However, healing is NOT part of the atonement.
Even the very definition of Atonement does NOT include healing!
Definition of atonement. 1 : reparation for an offense or injury : satisfaction a story of sin and atonement He wanted to find a way to make atonement for his sins. 2 : the reconciliation of God and humankind through the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ.
Merrium-Webster
I think you will agree that all people who are given faith in Christ- his life, death and resurrection are saved. Salvation is 100% part of the atonement!
But healing is not! Not everyone who prays to be healed is healed. In fact, MOST people who pray for healing are not healed. And it is NOT that they don't have enough faith or focus on Jesus enough. Everyone on earth is going to die, until Jesus returns. Most die from sickness, although many die in accidents, and some by violence or by their own hand. But, sickness and death, a result of the Fall, won't end till Jesus returns!
So, no one who comes to Jesus by faith is unsaved. If they truly repent and believe, they are saved by the atonement. There is no need to study of verses on salvation, no pumping up faith, anointing with oil, or calling for the elders. They are ALL saved by God.
But most people who come to Jesus for healing, are not healed. It is a prayer that God often does not answer. He has his reasons, just as he did with Job. (Although Job was restored!) so coming to God in faith for healing, (as I did for years!) is not automatic and certainly not part of the atonement.
One is saved by grace through faith. One is not necessarily healed by grace through faith.
Again, your knowledge of the Bible is limited and erroneous. You have a nasty, accusative temper, which you have displayed over and over. You really have not developed the fruits of the Spirit. Your character does not reflect Christ, who we are being transformed into his image, also by faith and the Holy Spirit. You have missed the basic message of the Bible/which is eternal life, not eternal and perfect healing.
You have completely wrong theology on healing, and are very immature in your walk with God. Look to him to be sanctified, and stop pushing your heretical doctrine of perfect healing. It is a hurtful unreal doctrine for millions of disabled and sick people, as well as the elderly, who slowly lose most of their capacity as they get closer to death. And yes, you have insulted me personally. I will forgive you, because of your appalling ignorance of the Bible and theology, but I will not stand by and let you insult and hurt millions and millions of people around the world, who love Jesus with their whole heart, but are not healed! This is why I brought up your character! You simply have no compassion, just a heart obsessed with proving your heresy correct, when it is a lie! You are clinging to a single wrong doctrine, instead of growing into the image of Christ! I pray God will show you the truth, and you will come to understand that God has so much for you than mere earthly treasures, (like health and wealth!) but instead, the depth of the love of Christ.
Even the very definition of Atonement does NOT include healing!
Definition of atonement. 1 : reparation for an offense or injury : satisfaction a story of sin and atonement He wanted to find a way to make atonement for his sins. 2 : the reconciliation of God and humankind through the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ.
Merrium-Webster
I think you will agree that all people who are given faith in Christ- his life, death and resurrection are saved. Salvation is 100% part of the atonement!
But healing is not! Not everyone who prays to be healed is healed. In fact, MOST people who pray for healing are not healed. And it is NOT that they don't have enough faith or focus on Jesus enough. Everyone on earth is going to die, until Jesus returns. Most die from sickness, although many die in accidents, and some by violence or by their own hand. But, sickness and death, a result of the Fall, won't end till Jesus returns!
So, no one who comes to Jesus by faith is unsaved. If they truly repent and believe, they are saved by the atonement. There is no need to study of verses on salvation, no pumping up faith, anointing with oil, or calling for the elders. They are ALL saved by God.
But most people who come to Jesus for healing, are not healed. It is a prayer that God often does not answer. He has his reasons, just as he did with Job. (Although Job was restored!) so coming to God in faith for healing, (as I did for years!) is not automatic and certainly not part of the atonement.
One is saved by grace through faith. One is not necessarily healed by grace through faith.
Again, your knowledge of the Bible is limited and erroneous. You have a nasty, accusative temper, which you have displayed over and over. You really have not developed the fruits of the Spirit. Your character does not reflect Christ, who we are being transformed into his image, also by faith and the Holy Spirit. You have missed the basic message of the Bible/which is eternal life, not eternal and perfect healing.
You have completely wrong theology on healing, and are very immature in your walk with God. Look to him to be sanctified, and stop pushing your heretical doctrine of perfect healing. It is a hurtful unreal doctrine for millions of disabled and sick people, as well as the elderly, who slowly lose most of their capacity as they get closer to death. And yes, you have insulted me personally. I will forgive you, because of your appalling ignorance of the Bible and theology, but I will not stand by and let you insult and hurt millions and millions of people around the world, who love Jesus with their whole heart, but are not healed! This is why I brought up your character! You simply have no compassion, just a heart obsessed with proving your heresy correct, when it is a lie! You are clinging to a single wrong doctrine, instead of growing into the image of Christ! I pray God will show you the truth, and you will come to understand that God has so much for you than mere earthly treasures, (like health and wealth!) but instead, the depth of the love of Christ.
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Even healing is called by Jesus as salvation (Mathew 9:22).
Healing is part of atonement (Isaiah 53:4 & Mathew 8:17).
Prayer doesn't bring healing. Faith in Christ's atonement brings healing.
Don't look to christians who haven't been healed. Look to Jesus with faith.
Little faith has consequences (Mathew 17:20). Don't justify little faith.
Don't look to death, suffer sicknesses & forsake faith in Christ's atonement to heal. God's word doesn't justify sickness because everyone dies.
If suffering was godly, God would've created humans with sickness.
You weren't healed because you didn't approach God with faith in Christ's atonement. Without faith it's impossible to please God.
Your self-appreciated good character doesn't please God. Faith does.
Love for Jesus doesn't heal. Faith in Him does.
You seem to teach christians to hate earthly treasures but yet you haven't sold all your possessions and given to the poor!!
Healing is part of atonement (Isaiah 53:4 & Mathew 8:17).
Prayer doesn't bring healing. Faith in Christ's atonement brings healing.
Don't look to christians who haven't been healed. Look to Jesus with faith.
Little faith has consequences (Mathew 17:20). Don't justify little faith.
Don't look to death, suffer sicknesses & forsake faith in Christ's atonement to heal. God's word doesn't justify sickness because everyone dies.
If suffering was godly, God would've created humans with sickness.
You weren't healed because you didn't approach God with faith in Christ's atonement. Without faith it's impossible to please God.
Your self-appreciated good character doesn't please God. Faith does.
Love for Jesus doesn't heal. Faith in Him does.
You seem to teach christians to hate earthly treasures but yet you haven't sold all your possessions and given to the poor!!
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You seem on the fringe of this thinking, healing comes in many ways even through medication and doctors.
If Christs atonement covers the physical body then we could stay immortal on this earth since none would die from disease.
The body still ages so obviously the atonement does not cover the physical body, having stated the the deliverance from the bondage of sin can have a positive impact on one's health.
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God does everything to glorify Christ through Christ's atonement. But the unsaved don't believe it though they are healed by God. If christians imitate the unsaved, God isn't pleased because without faith in Christ's atonement God isn't pleased.
Those in Hebrews 11 not only chose temporal blessings but also refused temporal blessings but with faith. Thus the issue is faith not the choice to suffer sicknesses.
Those in Hebrews 11 not only chose temporal blessings but also refused temporal blessings but with faith. Thus the issue is faith not the choice to suffer sicknesses.
Aging is not disease or sickness.
None of the apostles died of disease.
He bore our sin sickness and sorrow on the cross.
I have never seen any prayer in the nt or in my experience where old age was to be prayed against.
Nor did Jesus ever pray against old age,or mortality.
The argument that "well,if sickness is defeated, nobody would die,"is ridiculous.
Immortality comes after death. Death is a doorway,not some dilemma against the work of the cross.(healing)
None of the apostles died of disease.
He bore our sin sickness and sorrow on the cross.
I have never seen any prayer in the nt or in my experience where old age was to be prayed against.
Nor did Jesus ever pray against old age,or mortality.
The argument that "well,if sickness is defeated, nobody would die,"is ridiculous.
Immortality comes after death. Death is a doorway,not some dilemma against the work of the cross.(healing)
