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i've been reading your posts and have not seen you specifically address how glossolalia glorifies God.
could you name a living continuationist who is using the gifts you believe did not cease?
post a link or video or anything to their healing the sick instantly; causing blinding mists; writing authoritative epistles..
anything please, so i might see what you think (the Corinth gifts which supposedly continued without ceasing) glorifies God and what doesn't?
t.y.
could you name a living continuationist who is using the gifts you believe did not cease?
post a link or video or anything to their healing the sick instantly; causing blinding mists; writing authoritative epistles..
anything please, so i might see what you think (the Corinth gifts which supposedly continued without ceasing) glorifies God and what doesn't?
t.y.
N
Once again, whenever Continuationism is addressed, it seems people only ever focus on tongues, healing, etc. What of the gift of knowledge; wisdom? Do you have access to a NIV Concordance? I suggest you look up G/K 1194 and see what parts of Scripture it is used in. Perhaps that will bring more clarity to how it is I refer to the gift of knowledge, at the very least.
Also, simply because things are not documented (i.e., healings, miracles, etc.), does not mean these things do not occur. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
Grace and Peace!
Also, simply because things are not documented (i.e., healings, miracles, etc.), does not mean these things do not occur. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
Grace and Peace!
paul writes of gifts - one of which was languages, we know from Acts 2.
he says the gifts will cease
all continuationists say something like this:
"They got it wrong because they were focused on performing spiritual gifts, instead of being focused on Christ. "
what does that even mean?
the practice itself was identical.
that's the point.
why is the practice itself identical?
and please provide a way for anyone to determine the practice itself is right or wrong.
he says the gifts will cease
all continuationists say something like this:
"They got it wrong because they were focused on performing spiritual gifts, instead of being focused on Christ. "
what does that even mean?
the practice itself was identical.
that's the point.
why is the practice itself identical?
and please provide a way for anyone to determine the practice itself is right or wrong.
whatever you suddenly say that convicts the heart of the believer?
it would be the Law, and the Gospel....
Scripture.
if it isn't, you're going to have a false conversion.
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
the Trinity is involved in salvation.
Romans 10:17
Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
what does any of this have to do with pentecostalism?
reading someone's mind or telling them something they did they day before?
William Marrion Branham could do that. consistently.
William M. Branham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
it would be the Law, and the Gospel....
Scripture.
if it isn't, you're going to have a false conversion.
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
the Trinity is involved in salvation.
Romans 10:17
Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
what does any of this have to do with pentecostalism?
reading someone's mind or telling them something they did they day before?
William Marrion Branham could do that. consistently.
William M. Branham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
it addresses the issue by telling us exactly what the miracle was. by that we know what it wasn't.
Pentecost; speaking in gentile languages to the jews was predicted in Joel and Isaiah.
The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
Peter’s Sermon at Pentecost
14But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b 16But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
17 “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
18 even on my male servantsc and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
Pentecost; speaking in gentile languages to the jews was predicted in Joel and Isaiah.
The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
Peter’s Sermon at Pentecost
14But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b 16But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
17 “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
18 even on my male servantsc and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
N
It is the power of the Holy Spirit that convicts the non-believer. I never said anything about reading the mind of a non-believer. I thought it was clear the Holy Spirit conveyed to us the right words to say to the non-believer that would convict the non-believers heart, unbeknownst to us.
By the way, I am not a Pentecostal. I am a Baptist.
Grace and Peace!
By the way, I am not a Pentecostal. I am a Baptist.
Grace and Peace!
N
Of course Scripture is sufficient. I was merely pointing out that we may not know what passage of Scripture a non-believer may have to hear in order for the non-believer to be convicted by the Holy Spirit. That is where the Holy Spirit employs the gift of knowledge, to the believer, so that the believer quotes the passage of Scripture that the non-believer must hear in order to be convicted. Surely, the believer would know afterward it was the power of the Holy Spirit working through them to convey the passage which was needed to be heard by the non-believer. Yet it is not the same thing as mind-reading. Surely the believer could not have read the mind of the non-believer to know what passage was necessary for the non-believer to be convicted.
Grace and Peace!
Grace and Peace!
N
Clearly they are faking "it" when there is no one to interpret what they are saying (as is often times the case). Furthermore, tongues are an actual language, not just shouting "O sheeba la la losa!", which is clearly gibberish.
Also, these televangelists do not glorify God with their ministries. So I can safely say the gift of tongues they Don't have!
Grace and Peace!
Also, these televangelists do not glorify God with their ministries. So I can safely say the gift of tongues they Don't have!
Grace and Peace!
N
It could also be said that spiritual gifts, in general, are not a sign of one's spirituality, as we have witnessed in the apostate church that teaches salvation by miracles, signs and wonders. However, I do believe that all believers have spiritual gifts. Isn't that a contradiction, you might ask? But our spirituality is determined not by employing spiritual gifts, but by the Fruit of the Spirit. Jesus says you will know them by their works.
Grace and Peace!
Grace and Peace!
Perhaps there is even more we are in agreement on, pertaining to theological topics not related to spiritual gifts.
More Christ: Cessationism.
This tells about Augustine of Hippo. Mostly what's been overlooked by cessationists.
This tells about Augustine of Hippo. Mostly what's been overlooked by cessationists.