Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

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Very good Jesus will perform TODAY many other signs in the presence of His disciples that people may believe that Jesus is the Messiah the Son of God and that by believing they may have life through His name.

I suppose if all that Jesus is doing TODAY were written down that even the whole world could not contain the books that would be written.

Miracles are the PROOF. Jesus said if you do not believe Me for My words then believe the miracles.

Miracles make some folks hate Him the more.
All these signs are for Israel the nation. (Psalm 74:9)

That is why you don't see the signs being performed regularly now anywhere. That is because the nation of Israel has fallen in the eyes of God (Romans 11:11)

That is what cessationalists are saying. They are not saying God does not still perform miracles today
 
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regularly?

How regularly did Jesus raise people from death? how many did Peter raise from the dead? how many Paul?

... but there have been instances of people being raised from the dead in modern times. Why do you find it incredible that God should raise the dead?
You are avoiding his question. I too would like to know of the countries that this is happening because it is not happening here. Even the pentecostals go to the hospitals regularly.
 
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Why? Google is a good research tool to find that information for yourself if you really want to find out.
Google is also a "good research tool" for evidence of bigfoot, the loch ness monster and a flat earth.

Pointing people to Google to prove the existence of ongoing events is absurd. It is a sign of a bogus narrative.

Pentecostals are simply mystics who go to the doctor.
 
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All these signs are for Israel the nation. (Psalm 74:9)

That is why you don't see the signs being performed regularly now anywhere. That is because the nation of Israel has fallen in the eyes of God (Romans 11:11)

That is what cessationalists are saying. They are not saying God does not still perform miracles today
"That is what cessationalists are saying. They are not saying God does not still perform miracles today"
You are wasting your time with this sentence. They know this but ignore it to push their mysticism.
 

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I think the both of you are not getting his point.

Whatever church you, or CS1 are attending now, do you regularly see the signs that Jesus did to prove to John the Baptist disciples that he is the promised Son of God?

Do you see, Luke 7:22

the blind see,
the lame walk,
the lepers are cleansed,
the deaf hear,
the dead are raised

in whatever church the 2 of you are attending?

What Ronair is saying that, every Christian, if they are being honest, will admit that these don't happen now, not even sometimes.

Now it is of course possible for one to point out some anecdotal evidence of such miracles happening in the rest of the world, but then no one here is denying that God can still do miracles like these.

But what we are saying is that these are no longer happening, on demand, anymore. The era of signs and wonders are put on hold for now, until the Tribulation years.

The Point is the word of God does not say they have stopped as those you mentioned believe. Me seeing it would not matter because there have been times where many people have provided testimony of what they saw and it was mocked to told " your experience doesn't change the word of God". I Have seen many of those on the list and have heard the testimony of all of them from people
 
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This is the teaching of Aristotle, the pagan Greek philosopher, which is the basis of modern science.


I think there is a greater faith in Aristotle and Plato in your church than there is in the Word of God, even though you assert that you have faith in the unseen God of the Bible. But the same "God of the Bible" inspired "These signs shall follow those who believe; they will cast out devils, speak with new tongues, lay hands on the the sick and they shall recover." So if your church doesn't support the gift of tongues, casting out of demons, and divine healing, then your faith is in the god of Aristotle and Plato and not the God of the Bible.
"This is the teaching of Aristotle, the pagan Greek philosopher, which is the basis of modern science."
No, this is called reason. Something you cannot grasp. It is this lack of reason that blinds you the your emperor nakedness.
Christianity is reasonable. You on the other hand are a mystic.


James 3:17
But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere.

Isaiah 1:18
Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.
 

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"This is the teaching of Aristotle, the pagan Greek philosopher, which is the basis of modern science."
No, this is called reason. Something you cannot grasp. It is this lack of reason that blinds you the your emperor nakedness.
Christianity is reasonable. You on the other hand are a mystic.


James 3:17
But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere.

Isaiah 1:18
Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.
both those verses are about God's wisdom, not His willingness to forgive nothing to do with the teaching of Aristotle, or what you call reason.
 
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No, I think he is asking just that and your pride will not allow you to see that. Transubstantiation who !!!! = means water and wine become the real body and blood of Jesus.

well, in contrast to The Apostles, those in Cornellious house, and the Christians and Paul met on the way All spoke in tongues or prophesied. The RCC just got that wrong about the Lord's Supper :). Whereas the empowering of the Holy Spirit is seen in both the Old and New Testament :). how about dat?
No, I think he is asking just that and your pride will not allow you to see that. Transubstantiation who !!!! = means water and wine become the real body and blood of Jesus.
Your ignorance is showing. Transsubstantiation is the changing of bread and wine into the real body and blood of Jesus. Something that the RCC claims is happening daily. Much like the claims of Pentecostals with their claims of tongues etc.

Since there is no verse that states it is not real flesh and blood then it must be happening today, correct?

This is your logic not mine.

The RCC just got that wrong about the Lord's Supper
Correct and the Pentecostals "just got that wrong" about tongues etc.
 

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No, I think he is asking just that and your pride will not allow you to see that. Transubstantiation who !!!! = means water and wine become the real body and blood of Jesus.
Your ignorance is showing. Transsubstantiation is the changing of bread and wine into the real body and blood of Jesus. Something that the RCC claims is happening daily. Much like the claims of Pentecostals with their claims of tongues etc.

Since there is no verse that states it is not real flesh and blood then it must be happening today, correct?

This is your logic not mine.

The RCC just got that wrong about the Lord's Supper
Correct and the Pentecostals "just got that wrong" about tongues etc.
No, that is your arrogance. I said the very same thing you did about Transubstantiation. You are just a rude person and most likely becoming a troll.. So how about you just stop and I will to or you can leave how about that :) You don't know me I don't know you. I'm sure you love God as I do too. But we are not going to have an agreement. So for the betterment of all please do not respond to me and I will not to you ok?

Thank you

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both those verses are about God's wisdom, not His willingness to forgive nothing to do with the teaching of Aristotle, or what you call reason.
both those verses are about God's wisdom, not His willingness to forgive nothing to do with the teaching of Aristotle, or what you call reason.
How blind can one person be? The verses are not about wisdom, they do not say "come let us wisdom together" or "open to wisdom".

It is mystics like you who hinder many from the Gospel.
 

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both those verses are about God's wisdom, not His willingness to forgive nothing to do with the teaching of Aristotle, or what you call reason.
How blind can one person be? The verses are not about wisdom, they do not say "come let us wisdom together" or "open to wisdom".

It is mystics like you who hinder many from the Gospel.
OK I asked you to not converse with me please honor my request.

Is 1:18

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

This is in context to man's sin and God's willingness to forgive them and cleanse him from all unrighteousness.
 

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There comes a time when the travailing woman in Micah 5 (the same travailing woman in Revelation 12), conceives, that the miracles will once again make their appearance among the faithful. And this time with lots of power behind them.

Micah 5:3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
5:7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the Lord, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men. 8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

Micah 7:15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things. 16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
 
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OK I asked you to not converse with me please honor my request.

Is 1:18

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

This is in context to man's sin and God's willingness to forgive them and cleanse him from all unrighteousness.
OK I asked you to not converse with me please honor my request.
OK, if you do not want to converse with me then stop conversing. It takes at least two to converse, are you not seeing this.

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Are you really a moderator? If so, where?
 
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The Point is the word of God does not say they have stopped as those you mentioned believe. Me seeing it would not matter because there have been times where many people have provided testimony of what they saw and it was mocked to told " your experience doesn't change the word of God". I Have seen many of those on the list and have heard the testimony of all of them from people
You do understand that merely pointing to a miracle here and there, does not prove that Luke 7:22 is still going on today?
 

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You do understand that merely pointing to a miracle here and there, does not prove that Luke 7:22 is still going on today?

LOL
I think you may want to rethink your comment. if some pray for 100 dead people and one comes back to life was the God or luck?

If a person prays for 10 blind people and one person's eyes are open was that God or luck?
A Miracle here or there is STILL A MIRACLE LOL.



22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor, the gospel is preached.

which one of these is here or there?

What a ridiculous observation and frankly unbiblical.

Jesus said the angels rejoice FOR JUST ONE SINNER repenting. Just ONE! You can't give glory to God for the here and there?

There was a place in the Bible THAT tell of Jesus going to a town where HE could do no mighty works there because of UNBELIEF.
 
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LOL
I think you may want to rethink your comment. if some pray for 100 dead people and one comes back to life was the God or luck?

If a person prays for 10 blind people and one person's eyes are open was that God or luck?
A Miracle here or there is STILL A MIRACLE LOL.



22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor, the gospel is preached.

which one of these is here or there?

What a ridiculous observation and frankly unbiblical.

Jesus said the angels rejoice FOR JUST ONE SINNER repenting. Just ONE! You can't give glory to God for the here and there?

There was a place in the Bible THAT tell of Jesus going to a town where HE could do no mighty works there because of UNBELIEF.
You are simply avoiding his question. Read the following:

Luke 4:40 At sunset, the people brought to Jesus all who had various kinds of sickness, and laying his hands on each one, he healed them.

Luke 6:19 and the people all tried to touch him, because power was coming from him and healing them all.

Luke 9:6 So they set out and went from village to village, proclaiming the good news and healing people everywhere.

John 6:2 and a great crowd of people followed him because they saw the signs he had performed by healing the sick.

Does this look like a 1 in 10 success rate? Do you really think that the apostles were batting 1 in 100?

Again, your emperor is naked.

Now answer his question, if you can.
 

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You are simply avoiding his question. Read the following:

Luke 4:40 At sunset, the people brought to Jesus all who had various kinds of sickness, and laying his hands on each one, he healed them.

Luke 6:19 and the people all tried to touch him, because power was coming from him and healing them all.

Luke 9:6 So they set out and went from village to village, proclaiming the good news and healing people everywhere.

John 6:2 and a great crowd of people followed him because they saw the signs he had performed by healing the sick.

Does this look like a 1 in 10 success rate? Do you really think that the apostles were batting 1 in 100?

Again, your emperor is naked.

Now answer his question, if you can.
excuse me I asked you not to converse with me. Please comment on his post and answer him. I am a moderator for CC this forum to answer your earlier question. You are just confrontational and I have asked you respectfully not to speak with me. That Bounce you hear is the ball back in your corner. Please for the last time don't.

thank you
 
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excuse me I asked you not to converse with me. Please comment on his post and answer him. I am a moderator for CC this forum to answer your earlier question. You are just confrontational and I have asked you respectfully not to speak with me. That Bounce you hear is the ball back in your corner. Please for the last time don't.

thank you
This is really getting silly.

Once again, if you do not want to converse with me then stop conversing with me.

This is a open forum. Anyone can comment on any subject, you should know this if you are a CC moderator.

The ball is now back in your corner. I will assume you will not converse.
 

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This is really getting silly.

Once again, if you do not want to converse with me then stop conversing with me.

This is a open forum. Anyone can comment on any subject, you should know this if you are a CC moderator.

The ball is now back in your corner. I will assume you will not converse.
good bye
 

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yes God word is Perfect when HE said it and it is recorded as men were carried long to write it.
Ok, Precious friend, benefit of the doubt, here:

When Paul "penned/recorded his Last Word Inspired Of God," That Which Is PERFECT
Had Come, And, IMMEDIATELY, "That Which Was In Part Was DONE Away!"
Correct?
+
Let's Also double check all Imperfect versions today, and see IF Most agree with the
Imperfect{?} KJV, With The Following Related / Profitable Doctrine Of God:

There is ONE Baptism! (Eph 4:5) Yes, seems ALL parallel versions agree with ONE!
Meaning there are NOT TWO {or More} baptismS, Today, for the Body of Christ,
Under God's GRACE! Correct? So, WHICH ONE is it?:

Under God's Context of Prophecy And The Law:
(1) water baptism? or:

(2) your proposal of "He {Christ} will Baptize you WITH The Holy Ghost for
POWER, SIGNS, MIRACLES, And WONDERS..." = one version says "in"
This baptism Has CHRIST Acting As "The Administrator," Pouring Out
The Holy Spirit Upon
the believer, As The Recipient, Correct?

or:

(3) In God's Context, Under GRACE {with infirmities}, To Paul:

"For BY One Spirit are we all Baptized Into One Body..." (1Co 12:13) = some have "in"
This Baptism Has The Holy Spirit As "The Administrator,"
Translating the believer
{spiritually} Into CHRIST, As The Recipient! Correct, Precious friend?

Further Biblical Confirmation of "believers, Under GRACE, Today,
WITH infirmities, And tribulations, etc.":


{ From FULL "study" of GRACE Word for infirmities }:

After Paul (our #"pattern"# for Today!), prayed 3 times
for his affliction, the "Answer he Received," According To The
Scriptures, Was:


"And HE {CHRIST} Said Unto me, MY GRACE Is Sufficient For
thee: For MY Strength Is Made Perfect in weakness. Most gladly
therefore will I rather glory
{cp} in my infirmities, that The
Power Of CHRIST
May Rest Upon me!"
(
2_Corinthians_12:9 KJB!) {cp 2_Corinthians_11:23-30 KJB!}
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So, the OP question: Does it make a Difference?

Glorying And boasting about YOU Being GIVEN The Holy Spirit
POWER of healings, miracles, signs, And wonders?


Or:

Glorying And Boasting In The POWER Of CHRIST Upon you,
in infirmities, tribulation, And SUFFERING?:

"For unto you It Is Given in the Behalf Of CHRIST, not only
to believe on HIM, But Also to suffer for HIS Sake"
(
Philippians_1:29 KJB!)
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PS: follow the TWELVE, Under Prophecy/Law? OR:

In God's Revelation Of The MYSTERY, Under GRACE?:

# “Those things, which ye have both learned, and
received, and heard, and seen in me, [Paul!] do: # And
The God Of PEACE Shall Be With you.”
(
Philippians_4:9 KJB!)


Precious friend, Please Be Very Richly Blessed! + "Bring Glory To God!! Amen.