Challenging the theory of interpretive hearing in Acts chapter two

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dcontroversal

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They didn't know what speaking in tongues was. This was a whole new thing.
They were amazed at what they heard and wanted to know what it was.

The reaction could not have been, "Oh, they are speaking in tongues." (as if they knew what it was)
It was more like, "What is this that we are hearing?" (it doesn't make sense that we should hear this)

Furthermore, verse four says they were speaking in tongues. (what you call babbling)
Why would ignore this in favor of the other?

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All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.
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Hear is a question for all to answer.....

Is it possible for a man to speak in one language and 17 different nationalities have the ability to understand in their own language?

Can God do this or NOT?

WHEN PETER stands UP and SPEAKS to the WHOLE CROWD to correct the error of assuming they were DRUNK was PETER speaking in 17 different languages at ONCE so the WHOLE CROWD could understand or DID PETER speak in ONE TONGUE and they ALL understood in their OWN LANGUAGE.....

EXPLAIN please!!
 
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dcontroversal said:
Hear is a question for all to answer.....

Is it possible for a man to speak in one language and 17 different nationalities have the ability to understand in their own language?

Can God do this or NOT?

WHEN PETER stands UP and SPEAKS to the WHOLE CROWD to correct the error of assuming they were DRUNK was PETER speaking in 17 different languages at ONCE so the WHOLE CROWD could understand or DID PETER speak in ONE TONGUE and they ALL understood in their OWN LANGUAGE.....

EXPLAIN please!!
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Why do you assume that they didn't all speak the Galilean language?
Not like us one-language Americans.
 
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Why do you assume that they didn't all speak the Galilean language?
Not like us one-language Americans.
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Did you see the list of nationalities given.......and the statement IN THE DIALECT WE WERE BORN WITH.........and IF they ALL spoke the same language WHY the use of "LANGUAGES"
 
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So if I am in India and I hear someone speaking English, and I say I hear them speaking in my language, it's not a miracle of hearing it's that they are indeed speaking my language.
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Right. That is the obvious answer. Not that you need to have your hearing checked.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Did you see the list of nationalities given.......and the statement IN THE DIALECT WE WERE BORN WITH.........and IF they ALL spoke the same language WHY the use of "LANGUAGES"
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They probably spoke many languages.
Why was the New Testament written in Greek? (common trade language)
 
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dcontroversal said:
Hear is a question for all to answer.....

Is it possible for a man to speak in one language and 17 different nationalities have the ability to understand in their own language?

Can God do this or NOT?

WHEN PETER stands UP and SPEAKS to the WHOLE CROWD to correct the error of assuming they were DRUNK was PETER speaking in 17 different languages at ONCE so the WHOLE CROWD could understand or DID PETER speak in ONE TONGUE and they ALL understood in their OWN LANGUAGE.....

EXPLAIN please!!
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The explanation is simple: you're assuming that the hearing referred to Peter's words only. That is incorrect, because the hearing is discussed in verse 8 and refers back to verse 4, while Peter only begins speaking in verse 14. What God "can" do is not the issue; the text clearly tells us what God "did".
 
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Dino246 said:
The explanation is simple: you're assuming that the hearing referred to Peter's words only. That is incorrect, because the hearing is discussed in verse 8 and refers back to verse 4, while Peter only begins speaking in verse 14. What God "can" do is not the issue; the text clearly tells us what God "did".
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I am not assuming anything....he beckoned them to be quiet and then ADDRESSED all of them......THESE MEN ARE NOT DRUNK....
 
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The explanation is simple: you're assuming that the hearing referred to Peter's words only. That is incorrect, because the hearing is discussed in verse 8 and refers back to verse 4, while Peter only begins speaking in verse 14. What God "can" do is not the issue; the text clearly tells us what God "did".
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Right. And there's no reason to assume that Peter's sermon was delivered in tongues, or heard through interpretative hearing.
 
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dcontroversal said:
I am not assuming anything....he beckoned them to be quiet and then ADDRESSED all of them......THESE MEN ARE NOT DRUNK....
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If the discussion of the different nationalities took place after Peter (specifically) had said something, your view might bear consideration. As it is, you are forcing a change of order of the events. That won't fly.
 
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dcontroversal said:
I am not assuming anything....
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You are assuming interpretive hearing, for which there is no biblical precedent.

Where is interpretive hearing in any list of spiritual gifts? No such thing.
 
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Dino246 said:
If the discussion of the different nationalities took place after Peter (specifically) had said something, your view might bear consideration. As it is, you are forcing a change of order of the events. That won't fly.
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Not hardly and the context ties both events together....and the reason you reject it is because it destroys the whole premise of this argument.....such is the case with many who carry a losing argument......

Whatevezzzz.....!!
 
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Sketch said:
You are assuming interpretive hearing, for which there is no biblical precedent.

Where is interpretive hearing in any list of spiritual gifts? No such thing.
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Take it up with God and the verbiage he inspired..........especially hearing in their OWN dialect that they were born with.....no sweat off my back!
 
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Dino246 said:
If the discussion of the different nationalities took place after Peter (specifically) had said something, your view might bear consideration. As it is, you are forcing a change of order of the events. That won't fly.
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That's another great point.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Take it up with God and the verbiage he inspired..........especially hearing in their OWN dialect that they were born with.....no sweat off my back!
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Translation: You are unable to answer.

Was that interpretive hearing on my part? lol
 
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dcontroversal said:
Not hardly and the context ties both events together....and the reason you reject it is because it destroys the whole premise of this argument.....such is the case with many who carry a losing argument......

Whatevezzzz.....!!
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A losing argument? You guys couldn't even get your plane off the ground.

However, I do appreciate the effort to argue for the other side. Thanks.
 
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Translation: You are unable to answer.

Was that interpretive hearing on my part? lol
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Not hardly....what you both are missing is the simple truth that each man that spoke, spoke in a foreign tongue and yet they ALL heard in their own language....it is not that difficult to understand and it seems that both of you would rather go to seed on something that is not supported by the text while rejecting that which is.........
 
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Not hardly....what you both are missing is the simple truth that each man that spoke, spoke in a foreign tongue and yet they ALL heard in their own language....it is not that difficult to understand and it seems that both of you would rather go to seed on something that is not supported by the text while rejecting that which is.........
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What you are missing is that interpretive hearing is not a biblically recognized gift of the Holy Spirit.
Why would the outpouring at Penetcost be built around that?

Tongues on the other hand...

Furthermore, where is the historic precedent for this theory?
I had never even heard of it until this year.
 
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Here is another point.
Interpretive hearing negates the gift of the interpretation of tongues.
No need for an interpretation.

In the instruction about tongues and interpretation, the Apostle would have brought this up.
When a message in tongues is given to the church, there should be interpretation...
unless there is an operation of interpretive hearing. No such instructions. How come?
 
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