Chosen by God - A study in Election

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EleventhHour

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Wrong

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.


They CHOSE to believe and were regenerated.
 

ForestGreenCook

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And read this heresy below ..... all I know is there is an "evil being" written about in scripture who would seek to bind, hide the Gospel from men hearing and being saved.



I can barely tolerate this nonsense anymore and I post less and less ... they speak about the "lost man" not wanting truth such irony!!

It is the Calvinists that do not want TRUTH.
More useless words from your mouth, without scripture back up.
 
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Now now, remember that they peddle a gospel-less salvation, no choice in the matter and forced by a god that says in one verse that he would have all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, but only chooses extra special Calvinite man "A" while man "B thru Z" were specifically made for hell and are just outta luck!

Even though all of creation and the invisible testify in every known language and God would have ALL MEN to be saved . .

But hey....Jim Jones got his followers to drink the embellished kool aid in a revolutionary suicide moment.... !!!!
Yes I notice they never want to deal with this logical conclusion, never once have they been honest about it......
Calvinite man "A" while man "B thru Z" were specifically made for hell and are just outta luck!
Yeah I am done for today.... it is truly "sickening" to borrow your word.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Wrong

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.


They CHOSE to believe and were regenerated.
You might try to include verse 5. EVEN WHEN WE WERE DEAD (spiritually) IN SINS, hath he quickened us. No one can choose spiritual things when they are spiritually dead. They were quickened by God's sovereign grace, without the help of men, (by grace are ye saved).
 
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You might try to include verse 5. EVEN WHEN WE WERE DEAD (spiritually) IN SINS, hath he quickened us. No one can choose spiritual things when they are spiritually dead. They were quickened by God's sovereign grace, without the help of men, (by grace are ye saved).
They were quickened because they heard the Gospel and believed.
They were not forced to believe.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Yes I notice they never want to deal with this logical conclusion, never once have they been honest about it......

Yeah I am done for today.... it is truly "sickening" to borrow your word.
You two have a way of refuting scripture with your useless words, without using scriptures to back them up, because you are afraid that we will be able to defuse your interpretation of them.
 

ForestGreenCook

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They were quickened because they heard the Gospel and believed.
They were not forced to believe.
They cannot hear, and believe a spiritual gospel, if they are spiritually dead. They still think the gospel is foolishness at the time that they are quickened.
 
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EleventhHour

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More useless words from your mouth, without scripture back up.
No man is denied grace and if they seek they shall find and they can chose to believe the Gospel that they hear.

How does a Calvinist even know they are saved... when they cannot believe.

I heard the Gospel and I chose to believe it for myself as truth and then I was regenerated.

God did not force me to believe, I responded to what I heard......... and guess what...... the Gospel was explained so well to me that I understood completely what I heard.

That is basic scriptural truth.
 
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Wrong

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.


They CHOSE to believe and were regenerated.

Has your spirit been quickened?
 

ForestGreenCook

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False you say... I can find many modern day Calvinists, Puritans, Reformed that state it very clearly..

If men are dead in sin, helpless, and cannot believe in Christ; then the salvation of sinners of necessity involves much more than Christ dying for all men and then waiting to see who will accept His gift. If unsaved men are unable to choose or to will any spiritual good, then apart from a spiritual rebirth, no man would choose Christ.
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"Apart from spiritual rebirth, no man/woman would choose Christ" is a true statement. Your fault is in believing that Christ died for all mankind, when it plainly states that he only died for those that his Father gave him. He also states that he will raise up all of those he died for at the last day, without the loss of even one.
 
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They cannot hear, and believe a spiritual gospel, if they are spiritually dead. They still think the gospel is foolishness at the time that they are quickened.

Maybe you should think on how a sinful man. spiritually dead man can suppress the truth in unrighteousness?
 
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You two have a way of refuting scripture with your useless words, without using scriptures to back them up, because you are afraid that we will be able to defuse your interpretation of them.

Oh sure.. you deny the obvious truth of 2 Cor 14 in context which I gave ...why would I bother.

You are far too steeped in a false dogma.
 
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They cannot hear, and believe a spiritual gospel, if they are spiritually dead. They still think the gospel is foolishness at the time that they are quickened.

When God Saved me,I knew instantly that I was born again.....in time the Holy Spirit revealed scripture/word to me......
 

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Continue reading.. it is made clear all who chose to believe.
Firstly nowhere in chapter 12 does a state that someone "chose" to believe. Your inclusion of that term is a figment of your imagination, meant to deceive.

Secondly, your free will theory is CRUSHED later on in the text, not supported. Continued reading a brings to the fore the ELECTION PRINCIPLE.

John 12:37......
But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:
“Lord, who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”

Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:
He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
Lest they should see with their eyes,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.”

The reason that these people could not believe, the reason that ANYONE cannot believe is as follows:

John 10:25....
Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe [Same as chapter 12!!]. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe [Same as chapter 12!!], because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I andMy Father are one.”

No THAT is a comprehensive statement of doctrine. And it utterly destroys the doctrine of the free-willers.
 

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Could you post a few verses before and a few verses after Ezekiel 36 please and see who its referring to . its clearly ISRAEL not Gentiles in 2020
Let me call your attention, once again, to Gen 33:28, when God changed Jacob's name, to be no more called Jacob, but to be called "Israel". Now reread the whole chapter of Ezk 36, with the truth of Jacob, being "the house of Israel". Jacob is representative of God's elect, Romans 9:11. Keep in mind that most of the time when Israel is mentioned in the scriptures it is referring to Jacob.
 

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24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. ( does this sound like the church age ? )
28And ye shall DWELL IN THE LAND that I gave to YOUR FATHERS and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
29I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
30And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
31Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
32Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL . THIS Is future for Israel. Does it even sound remotely that could refer to now ?
Yes! "the house of Jacob/Israel" are God's elect people, and are made up of every kindred, and tongue, and person, and nation, Rev 5:9. All born again believers are the house of Israel, and will remain until the end of time.
 

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Praise God that after John 6 other things happened . Erm let me see . I can't quite remember...oh that's it ..wait something to do with a cross , that's it its literally in the same book ,six chapters later . You would think John 6 is the Gospel for calvinists .
But then we read ...32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
The "all men" are the men/women that his Father gave to him to die for, which was not all mankind, are the ones that he will draw unto him, because all that the Father gave him will be raised up at the last day, without the loss of even one.
 

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dcontroversal said:
It is actually hilariously tragic...GOD WILLED me to be saved and POOF I WAS.....so false....if that ia the case then no one is lost....God would have ALL MEN TO BE SAVED and come to the knowledge of the truth....they are too false and obstinate against the truth to see their own error....it is sickening and straight from the pit!

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And read this heresy below ..... all I know is there is an "evil
being" written about in scripture who would seek to bind, hide the Gospel from men hearing and being saved.


ForestGreenCook said:
Actually, God does not tell us to preach the spiritual gospel to all mankind, because he knows that spiritual things will fall on deaf ears,

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I can barely tolerate this nonsense anymore and I post less and less ... they speak about the "lost man" not wanting truth such irony!!

It is the Calvinists that do not want TRUTH.

yes, how do we know what the "lost" really want unless we go out and get their real and honest feedback? :unsure::unsure:
 
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