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NoahsMom

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Gary, I'm not here to argue, I just want to clarify. Are you telling us that you have the power to grant salvation to us? I'm not talking about Jesus in you, I'm talking about you, personally. Are you the Savior of mankind? Please answer.Good question, I have been followin this thread off and on, I understand christ in us. When you give your life to the Lord, and dedicate all that you have and are to followng and serving him, if you have a heart change it can definately show inward and outward in your walk. That being said I in myself am NOTHING, if there is any good and pure thing in me, its Jesus. No one can grant you anything but JESUS. We are just vessels. My hope and glory are in HIM, and Im just so thankful he looked upon me and my filthiness and saw something worth cleansing and dieing for.
 
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Snackersmom said:
Gary, I'm not here to argue, I just want to clarify. Are you telling us that you have the power to grant salvation to us? I'm not talking about Jesus in you, I'm talking about you, personally. Are you the Savior of mankind? Please answer.
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Now do you really believe that I am saying that?

Christ did not come to save you but that ye might be saved. Jesus cant save you at all, you have to will His salvation for yourself. You cant save yourself all you can do is put on His salvation. The kingdom of God is in your hands to do with it what you will. And Jesus was clear that the kingdom of God is withn you.

Salvation simply is Gods Spirit manifest in your mortal flesh. If His Spirit is not manifest in your mortal flesh, Christ in you, then you have chosen a different salvation from His be in you. And many have chosen a different path from Him calling it salvation.
 
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GaryMac said:
Now do you really believe that I am saying that?

Christ did not come to save you but that ye might be saved. Jesus cant save you at all, you have to will His salvation for yourself. You cant save yourself all you can do is put on His salvation. The kingdom of God is in your hands to do with it what you will. And Jesus was clear that the kingdom of God is withn you.

Salvation simply is Gods Spirit manifest in your mortal flesh. If His Spirit is not manifest in your mortal flesh, Christ in you, then you have chosen a different salvation from His be in you. And many have chosen a different path from Him calling it salvation.
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OOOOOOOkay, I think I see what you're saying. I don't entirely agree with you, but I am glad to hear you say that you, yourself, are not Jesus, because for a while there, that's what it sounded like you were saying. And that's just wrong. :eek: I understand wanting Christians to have a closer, more devoted walk, I want that for the church as well, but we will never on this earth be perfect, because it's so easy to commit sin, and we are still human. Even worrying is a sin, and I know that I am occasionally guilty of it, even though I try to do better. And yet I have Christ in me (even if you don't believe me, I know it to be true. So there! :p). I am not perfect, you are not perfect, JESUS is perfect. If we fully give ourselves over to Him then He will definitely help us avoid sin, but we won't really be perfect until we get to heaven, when we become spiritual beings. I understand your desire to lead Christians to better relationship with Christ, but please pray about your delivery. Because it didn't make much sense. I have a verse for you, James 3:17-18

But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

Your message does not fit this description, so I think you need to commit this matter to prayer. (Don't be embarrassed, it's nothing against you personally. Nobody's perfect, right? ;)) As I said, I have no desire to argue. I just wanted to clarify your position, and share those verses with you. :) In Christ, -Nicole
 
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Snackersmom said:
OOOOOOOkay, I think I see what you're saying. I don't entirely agree with you, but I am glad to hear you say that you, yourself, are not Jesus, because for a while there, that's what it sounded like you were saying. And that's just wrong. :eek: I understand wanting Christians to have a closer, more devoted walk, I want that for the church as well, but we will never on this earth be perfect, because it's so easy to commit sin, and we are still human. Even worrying is a sin, and I know that I am occasionally guilty of it, even though I try to do better. And yet I have Christ in me (even if you don't believe me, I know it to be true. So there! :p). I am not perfect, you are not perfect, JESUS is perfect. If we fully give ourselves over to Him then He will definitely help us avoid sin, but we won't really be perfect until we get to heaven, when we become spiritual beings. I understand your desire to lead Christians to better relationship with Christ, but please pray about your delivery. Because it didn't make much sense. I have a verse for you, James 3:17-18

But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

Your message does not fit this description, so I think you need to commit this matter to prayer. (Don't be embarrassed, it's nothing against you personally. Nobody's perfect, right? ;)) As I said, I have no desire to argue. I just wanted to clarify your position, and share those verses with you. :) In Christ, -Nicole
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And this is where you and Christ differ.

And this is where you and Christ differ. Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect comes only by Gods Spirit be in you. It is Christ in you who perfects Gods will in you.

Christ came to take away the sins of this world 1 John 3:5, where did He fail to do that if you are still a sinner? And V:6 In Christ there is no sin at all, it is outside Christ that one is a sinner. And V 8 if one is a sinner he is of the devil, and in V 9 it is impossible to be in Christ and be in sin. Here is where you differ from the Christ be in you.

And I agree, my message does not fit your standard that you have set for me, but it does fit the standard God set for me, Christ in me. And we in Christ pray without ceasing, we cant help but stay in prayer, He in me and I in Him are one. And everyone in Christ is perfected in Him. If we are imperfect then Christ is imperfect because His abode is in us.

And I did clarify my position and those verse with you. In Christ. Gary
 
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Okay, at least I tried. I can tell that arguing with you is pointless, because you didn't even consider praying about the verse I was led to share with you. You have not only disappointed Bongo, but Snackers as well. :(
 
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GaryMac said:
Well then why do you balk at being like Him, and why do you balk at being one with Him, and why do you balk at having the same mind, same Spirit, walk as He walks, and these signs follow those who believe? Why do you balk at being being as He is and without sin. Why do you balk at being perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect?

And don’t tell me you don’t balk at these things because this has been your argument from the beginning and telling me it is a false doctrine.
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Nope...never did that Gary. Your style is to come out with heresy then when questioned
divert it to Christ and the truths of scripture. Noone has done that tho.
 
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Abiding

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Etymology and definition of heresy

The word heresy comes from haeresis, a Latin transliteration of the Greek word originally meaning choosing, choice, course of action, or in an extended sense school of thought[3] then eventually came to denote waring factions and the party spirit by the first century. The word appears in the New Testament and was appropriated by the Church to mean a sect or division that threatened the unity of Christians. Heresy eventually became regarded as a departure from orthodoxy in Post-Apostolic times which the First Seven Ecumenical Councils attempted to establish for all of Christendom.
St. Irenaeus (c. 120 to 140–c. 200 to 203) defined heresy as deviation from the standard of sound doctrine.
 
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Snackersmom said:
Okay, at least I tried. I can tell that arguing with you is pointless, because you didn't even consider praying about the verse I was led to share with you. You have not only disappointed Bongo, but Snackers as well. :(
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Christ didnt come to bring peace but a sword, and it is this sword which has you up in arms about what I have said. I threw right back at you what you threw at me and it makes me the bad guy right?

What I see is conviction on your part and using me for your own iniquities that you dont even see obvious in our posts. I threw right back at you that what you threw at me and you didnt like it did you. How do you think I feel when you psot to me the same thing?
 
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GaryMac said:
And this is where you and Christ differ.

And this is where you and Christ differ. Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect comes only by Gods Spirit be in you. It is Christ in you who perfects Gods will in you.

Christ came to take away the sins of this world 1 John 3:5, where did He fail to do that if you are still a sinner? And V:6 In Christ there is no sin at all, it is outside Christ that one is a sinner. And V 8 if one is a sinner he is of the devil, and in V 9 it is impossible to be in Christ and be in sin. Here is where you differ from the Christ be in you.

And I agree, my message does not fit your standard that you have set for me, but it does fit the standard God set for me, Christ in me. And we in Christ pray without ceasing, we cant help but stay in prayer, He in me and I in Him are one. And everyone in Christ is perfected in Him. If we are imperfect then Christ is imperfect because His abode is in us.

And I did clarify my position and those verse with you. In Christ. Gary
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You know according to John 15:4 that says, Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

That verse means if we remain in Him we shall be perfect but it's another thing to remain 100% of the time in Him, sometimes even as a born again believer we get angry and say something we regret and ect.. then we realize we have done something outside of Christ and so we struggle in and out of Christ because we do not continue in a particular sin thus we strive to remain in Christ. (strive for righteousness)

Gary you claim that Christ remains in you 100% of the time to be 100% of the time without sin?? Not even Paul was pure 100% of the time, he struggled with the flesh.

Paul says the following,

Romans 7:14-25
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!


So stop preaching nonsense.
 
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Gary said: And I agree, my message does not fit your standard that you have set for me, but it does fit the standard God set for me,

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Sorry Gary its doubtful that God would approve heresy. We have His Word and the wonderful
truths that are expressed in it. Where we can grow in Knowledge and experience In Christ.
There is so much more to it than your saying, and We all know the Lord the author and finisher
of our faith will lead us into it by the Holyspirit. You may not divert anyone with your streamlined
version trying to make us a equal to Christ. We dont want to be equal with Christ. Thats not what
a joint Heir is. Satan has found this out already. P.S. you dont understand 1 John any better that John 17.
 
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cronjecj

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GaryMac said:
Christ didnt come to bring peace but a sword, and it is this sword which has you up in arms about what I have said. I threw right back at you what you threw at me and it makes me the bad guy right?

What I see is conviction on your part and using me for your own iniquities that you dont even see obvious in our posts. I threw right back at you that what you threw at me and you didnt like it did you. How do you think I feel when you psot to me the same thing?
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Stop been self-righteous Gary.

Snackersmom told you what she felt only good and you threw it back in her face.

Shame on you.

You don't agree or try to consider someones opinion but you always say what YOU believe to be true and if they don't believe what YOU believe then they are wrong to the core....
 
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GaryMac said:

Christ didnt come to bring peace but a sword, and it is this sword which has you up in arms about what I have said. I threw right back at you what you threw at me and it makes me the bad guy right?

What I see is conviction on your part and using me for your own iniquities that you dont even see obvious in our posts. I threw right back at you that what you threw at me and you didnt like it did you. How do you think I feel when you psot to me the same thing?
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Wow Gary ...i actually agree here...His sword definantly has been drawn and divided here. Amen
 
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Abiding said:
Nope...never did that Gary. Your style is to come out with heresy then when questioned
divert it to Christ and the truths of scripture. Noone has done that tho.
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Repetedly you have and Your style accuses me of heresy. Over and over I have preached Christ be in you, have the same mind, have the same Spirit, walk as He walks without sin, be ye perfect, and over and over you have denied that you can and called me heretic because that He does abide in me with all of these things. And that is ok I do understand why you would do that. But His way for me is better than your way for me is all.

AT least He is able to accomplish in me these scriptures. And you accuse me of diverting the scriptures?
 
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MissCris

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Snackersmom said:
Okay, at least I tried. I can tell that arguing with you is pointless, because you didn't even consider praying about the verse I was led to share with you. You have not only disappointed Bongo, but Snackers as well. :(
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Don't let him make you feel bad...he isn't really singling you out, because he doesn't like or love anyone, it's not just you.

Gary- does it make you feel good about yourself to sit up there on your pedestal and make the rest of us feel bad about ourselves and our faith in Christ? You might try being humble as Jesus was humble, if you truly want to be like Him.
 
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cronjecj said:
Stop been self-righteous Gary.

Snackersmom told you what she felt only good and you threw it back in her face.

Shame on you.

You don't agree or try to consider someones opinion but you always say what YOU believe to be true and if they don't believe what YOU believe then they are wrong to the core....
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Well, I’m not here to pat people on the back for trying to look good. I’m here to present the Christ in the way Jesus presented the Christ.


His presentation was stern, to the point, and lived it. That so irritated some folk to the point of his crucifixion. It is no different here. Do you think Jesus really cared so much about what others thought ... that he was willing to give up what he knew as God in him to pacify the spirit of others? Nor am I going to do that either.


Jesus did not go to a cross out of sympathy for you and I, he went to a cross so we may have what he had in our own being. Im sorry if my words do not agree with some but Jesus words do not agree with the same either, for I only apply and repeat what he said for himself. And that is a problem for those who are without the same as he had.
 
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GaryMac said:
Repetedly you have and Your style accuses me of heresy. Over and over I have preached Christ be in you, have the same mind, have the same Spirit, walk as He walks without sin, be ye perfect, and over and over you have denied that you can and called me heretic because that He does abide in me with all of these things. And that is ok I do understand why you would do that. But His way for me is better than your way for me is all.

AT least He is able to accomplish in me these scriptures. And you accuse me of diverting the scriptures?
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So by the way that is NOT the gospel,

This is the gospel,

To preach the good news (John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life) for those who believe in the Son has eternal life.

Last time i checked it says believe to be saved NOT in order to salvation we must be everything he was otherwise we don't follow Him at all which is a lie.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Gary, are you equal and do everything according to the book just as Christ was?

Sorry but but that is not His way for you. His way for you is to believe in Jesus Christ.

Even Paul struggled with the flesh so what you are saying is that you unlocked a secret that all of a sudden you got it right and Paul didn't....100% of the time??
 
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MissCris said:
Don't let him make you feel bad...he isn't really singling you out, because he doesn't like or love anyone, it's not just you.

Gary- does it make you feel good about yourself to sit up there on your pedestal and make the rest of us feel bad about ourselves and our faith in Christ? You might try being humble as Jesus was humble, if you truly want to be like Him.
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What makes me feel good is I have relinquished myself, gave up the right to myself and my doctrine, and put on the Christ, Gods Spirit in me, Christ formed in me.

What makes you feel bad is conviction and you put me high up on that pedestal above you and you think I am someone who thinks he is som kind of great one. But I cast myself down from that and tell you, it is you who is supposed to be that person of Christ, Christ in you, same Spirit in you who was in Christ Jesus, walk as He walked, same everything.


Now how many time have I lifted up the Christ to be in you and you in Him as one and you shot me down because your doctrine will not allow you to be and then you put me up on that pedestal above you? Can’t even see what you are doing can you? You are so engulfed as to be right in your own doctrine and all these things presented to you by Christ Himself from His words to you and all these things for you to be is wrong ... And that makes me the bad guy. Jesus understood what it was to be put up on that pedestal, and so do I, you have made perfect example of the meaning in it and all I have ever done is preached, Christ in you is the hope of glory. Forget about me, this is about you and who you are.
 
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Matthew 7:6
“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

Proverbs 17:10
Rebuke is more effective for a wise man Than a hundred blows on a fool.

Ecclesiastes 7:5
It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise Than for a man to hear the song of fools.

so why are people still listening to his song?

He will just dance word circles around the topic.

I mean God tells us what to do, we should really listen and meditate upon the things that edify and build up Him and His wisdom in us.

Proverbs 12:15
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But he who heeds counsel is wise.

Proverbs 13:20
He who walks with wise men will be wise, But the companion of fools will be destroyed.

anyway I'm going to ck out the cake thread. cu later.
 
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GaryMac said:
Repetedly you have and Your style accuses me of heresy. Over and over I have preached Christ be in you, have the same mind, have the same Spirit, walk as He walks without sin, be ye perfect, and over and over you have denied that you can and called me heretic because that He does abide in me with all of these things. And that is ok I do understand why you would do that. But His way for me is better than your way for me is all.

AT least He is able to accomplish in me these scriptures. And you accuse me of diverting the scriptures?
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Well you are. I havent any problem with the scriptures. I understand the process of the sanctifying work
of God. And the things you talk about are the glorious things HE will lead us through. But unfortunantly
it isnt like the occult where you say something over and over and poof its true.

No far from it Gary....your merely giving lip service to the very work of God in our lives...a work
He WILL take His own through. We DONT cause it by a mere mental assent. Nor do we actualize it
by believing as the new-agers do...thats just self delusion.

Gary....Christ is in a believer whether the believer knows it or not..Repentance and the Preaching of
Christ and Him crucified is what we are to preach. And then the teachings of the Apostles for ways to live
and the implications and applications of them in daily life......not just a mantra and a self boast.
 
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GaryMac said:
Well, I’m not here to pat people on the back for trying to look good. I’m here to present the Christ in the way Jesus presented the Christ.


His presentation was stern, to the point, and lived it. That so irritated some folk to the point of his crucifixion. It is no different here. Do you think Jesus really cared so much about what others thought ... that he was willing to give up what he knew as God in him to pacify the spirit of others? Nor am I going to do that either.


Jesus did not go to a cross out of sympathy for you and I, he went to a cross so we may have what he had in our own being. Im sorry if my words do not agree with some but Jesus words do not agree with the same either, for I only apply and repeat what he said for himself. And that is a problem for those who are without the same as he had.
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You are supposed to preach the good news NOT force YOUR way on us.

Christ had the right to talk like that because He was God manifested in flesh in the other hand YOU are simply NOT the Christ.

That is one of the biggest lies i have ever heard. The TRUTH is Jesus went to the cross because of GRACE which by the way i think you do not understand.

No because Jesus Christ is God and laid down His life so that we might live NOT so that we might live like god's!

It's NOT your job to repeat what Jesus said, its your job to PREACH THE GOOD NEWS.
 
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