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Yeah, many of you would have an issue with Jesus if he had come in this time. But he has sent his servants, and it is very strange how the ones who have the witness of Christ in them are the ones attacked, and the ones who are full of the devil are the ones praised.

Shame.
 
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No one is perfect, we're all sinners. Human beings will always sin. When Jesus enters our lives we learn to be guided by the holy Spirit. But there are still minor sins we cannot help doing every day, like taking the Lord's name in vain, cursing, coveting, thinking lustful thoughts, etc. You'd be suprised how many petty things can be considered sins. My sister thinks lampshades are sinful.


The thing is, with Jesus, he frees us from our sins and we are forgiven.
With Jesus, we can do things right. We concentrate on love, hope, faith, peace, pateince, wisdom, prudence, the fruits of the spirit rather than everything that's wrong.


As for taking up our cross, what exactly does that mean? How can we hate our own families when we are supposed to honor our mother and father as part of the commandments? I thought Christians were not supposed to hate anybody, least of all our own families, we are to be full of love for everyone, God is love and we must have love or else we do not know God. Hatred is evil and of the Devil.

By taking up the cross, are we suppose to wonder around homeless and penniless preaching the gospel to whoever picks us up while hitchhiking? THat's outrageous! If I left my parents, my guardians, I would be locked up in a mental hospital. I feel like I am my parents' slave. :(
Jesus did not say humans will always sin.

Jesus came to save HIS people from their sins. He forgives you of your sin, which lifts the burden of sin which was against you by sin. But he does not permit ANYONE to continue to sin. He will not allow it.

If a person assumes they can go on sinning because all have sinned, they are living contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The slave is the one who says, ''I CANNOT BE FREE FROM SIN!!''

But there are many who seduce many that they will always be a slave to sin and the devil, thus denying the power of Jesus Christ to raise the dead, and it is the same spirit that was in those who did not believe Jesus rose from the dead for their justification. It was written he died for our transgressions and ROSE for our justification.

So if the Spirit that was in Christ is in you, there is no longer a dead person there, but a living being there.

Don't be persuaded by these popular lies.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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That is true Zone He was referring to Himself. In the next verse He refers to Himself.
Luke 17:22
(22) And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
He is not referring to himself at all. He already knew who he was, The kingdom of God is within YOU. It does not come with observation. It is in your midst, mid, in the middle of you. You are His vessel, His temple, His abode, the place God dwells.

Why do you make excuses not to have in you what Jesus had in him? What would motivate one to deviate from His will for you Christ in you?
 
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you deny the Deity of Christ.
you say He was born again in 30AD.

enough please.
Are you sugesting that God did not come to Jesus and open all of heaven to the man?
 
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I dont need you to explain faith. I dont need you to explain John 17 or Christ in me...or anything.
I need you to understand i need you to stop telling people that if they dont understand it perfectly
they are not at all walking with God. Thats my first exhortation to you.
Why are you trying to convence me that Christ cannot take away my sin and make me one with the Father as he was one with Him, He in me and I in Him as one. Why are you trying to convence me that Christ in me has not perfected my faith and have the faith of Christ and walk as He walks? What motivates you to speak against that which does come and perfects our faith and to have what Jesus had?

Only because you cant see His perfection doent mean others cant, it only means you cant.
 
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You got a problem with what GaryMac said. I wonder what Zone thinks about this OP. Perhaps this is the kind of discipleship that Christ requires from His disciples who follow the Lord in the next step and place that He leads. Of course it's going to take mercy and grace and a great big cross to follow, but we are called to be His disciple. Do you ignore the scriptures or do you live by them...

Lk 14:26,27,33 ...26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath , he cannot be my disciple.

Those are pretty heavy duty demands to make upon His disciples, he has to hate his family, his own life and all that he has or he can't be a disciple. Can you hack it Abiding, can you be that kind of a disciple or are you going to charge our Lord Jesus Christ with being legalistic for making such demands? These demands are not practical and make no provision for the flesh nor do they accomodate for a believer to have some little reform church to settle into that has no personal cross, no fire, no outreach but just a laid back, I'll do what I want and you can do what you want and we'll call that liberty from God. Jesus had no place to lay His head but you do.

You call the OP trash, but it's conviction with a cross and you want nothing to do with it. You would rather label it with your own label of rejection then to be entreated by it. That's why you are stiff necked because you want the Christian life to be comfortable for your flesh instead of getting it crucified experientially through a personal cross that YOU must take up.

Amen, the truth! -- Now why cant I speak so eloquently? ... Good Job! And good to speak to another that knows what it is to be in Christ.
 

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No one is perfect, we're all sinners. Human beings will always sin. When Jesus enters our lives we learn to be guided by the holy Spirit. But there are still minor sins we cannot help doing every day, like taking the Lord's name in vain, cursing, coveting, thinking lustful thoughts, etc. You'd be suprised how many petty things can be considered sins. My sister thinks lampshades are sinful.


The thing is, with Jesus, he frees us from our sins and we are forgiven.
With Jesus, we can do things right. We concentrate on love, hope, faith, peace, pateince, wisdom, prudence, the fruits of the spirit rather than everything that's wrong.


As for taking up our cross, what exactly does that mean? How can we hate our own families when we are supposed to honor our mother and father as part of the commandments? I thought Christians were not supposed to hate anybody, least of all our own families, we are to be full of love for everyone, God is love and we must have love or else we do not know God. Hatred is evil and of the Devil.

By taking up the cross, are we suppose to wonder around homeless and penniless preaching the gospel to whoever picks us up while hitchhiking? THat's outrageous! If I left my parents, my guardians, I would be locked up in a mental hospital. I feel like I am my parents' slave. :(


Seraphprincess, Because you have humbled yourself you will be exalted.

lol you don't have to pick up a wooden cross and wonder around homeless, that is not what God expects from you for He know what you can and cannot do. Jesus meant that you WILL have trouble in this life my dear but you must stand up and continue your journey!

Love.
 

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GaryMac, You are not Jesus, you are GaryMac. The Holy Ghost dwells in us yes BUT you are NOT one and the same. You are you, Christ is the head of you and God the head of Christ.

Are you saying you are without sin?
 
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GaryMac, You are not Jesus, you are GaryMac. The Holy Ghost dwells in us yes BUT you are NOT one and the same. You are you, Christ is the head of you and God the head of Christ.

Are you saying you are without sin?
Absoutly. 1 John 3:5-9 confirms that Christ came to take away the sins of this world and in Christ there is no sin, and if one be in Christ it is impossible to be in sin, V.9. If I said Christ didnt take away my sin I would be a liar and deny that He can performe in me that which He is able.

And yes I am GaryMac, and Jesus was Jesus, and Pauk was Paul and James and John, and Peter, but we all have a commin denominator, Christ in us. Same SPirit in us who was in Christ Jesus, same Christ, same anointing, same everything God has to offer to us. Christ in me the same no different.

Christ really did come to take away your sin, not wash em over, not forgive, but to take it from you. Sin simply is the absence of Gods PSirit in you. Killing stealing, false witness, chasing the neighbors wife is not the sin but only result from that sin, the absence of Gods PSirit in you. And the only sin that God cannot forgive is to deny that you are and can be that person of Christ which is one with Him and without that seperation from Him. Sin is seperation from God. You are one with and like Him or you are not, there is no in between.
 

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Absoutly. 1 John 3:5-9 confirms that Christ came to take away the sins of this world and in Christ there is no sin, and if one be in Christ it is impossible to be in sin, V.9. If I said Christ didnt take away my sin I would be a liar and deny that He can performe in me that which He is able.

And yes I am GaryMac, and Jesus was Jesus, and Pauk was Paul and James and John, and Peter, but we all have a commin denominator, Christ in us. Same SPirit in us who was in Christ Jesus, same Christ, same anointing, same everything God has to offer to us. Christ in me the same no different.

Christ really did come to take away your sin, not wash em over, not forgive, but to take it from you. Sin simply is the absence of Gods PSirit in you. Killing stealing, false witness, chasing the neighbors wife is not the sin but only result from that sin, the absence of Gods PSirit in you. And the only sin that God cannot forgive is to deny that you are and can be that person of Christ which is one with Him and without that seperation from Him. Sin is seperation from God. You are one with and like Him or you are not, there is no in between.
Nooooo, Christ is God so to say when the Spirit came onto Jesus it was the fullness of God His personality and everything.

You are nooooooooot Christ, Jesus is the Christ (Almighty God in the flesh) You are noooooooooot almighty God in the flesh. You are GaryMac claiming to be one with the Father which is a lie.

It's like this,

the Holy Spirit is in me to guide, to help and to teach me BUT i am not Him and He is not me. He is God (Jesus Christ) and i am jean-pierre.

1 John 1:8-9
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins,
He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

Christ did NOT come to extinguish sin but that we might have eternal life IN THE MIDST OF OUR SINS for those who believe in Him.
 
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Nooooo, Christ is God so to say when the Spirit came onto Jesus it was the fullness of God His personality and everything.

You are nooooooooot Christ, Jesus is the Christ (Almighty God in the flesh) You are noooooooooot almighty God in the flesh. You are GaryMac claiming to be one with the Father which is a lie.

It's like this,

the Holy Spirit is in me to guide, to help and to teach me BUT i am not Him and He is not me. He is God (Jesus Christ) and i am jean-pierre.

1 John 1:8-9
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins,
He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

Christ did NOT come to extinguish sin but that we might have eternal life IN THE MIDST OF OUR SINS for those who believe in Him.
Actually God was in Jesus flesh, He is in me the same. And yes I am GaryMAc and one with the Father, He in me and In Him as one.
I do agree with what you said -- the Holy Spirit is in me to guide, to help and to teach me BUT i am not Him and He is not me. He is God (Jesus Christ) and i am jean-pierre.
I am not Jesus either but I have in me the same Spirit he had in him which is the Christ, anointed of Gods Spirit.

He is faithful and just to forgive our sins. But first you have to repent else he cant forgive you at all. It isn’t His choice it is yours, He already has expressed His will for us and the kingdom of God is in you and in your hands not His.

All have sinned and fall short, sinned in that text is past participle. If I said I was without sin then yes the truth is not in me. If I said Christ is not able to take away my sin then I would also be a liar described by John in 1 John 3.

If Christ is not able to remove my sin then why is it paramount we follow the one who is without sin? Either you follow the one who is without sin or you follow the one who is a sinner. It is one or the other but not both.

Christ came to take away the sins of this world. How did He fail to do that in you?
 
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AnandaHya

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God sent an example of what He wants of us and His example is Jesus Christ.
Jesus is more then an example and God sent more then Jesus, He offers the Holy Spirit who allows us to cry forth Abba Father.

Christianity isn’t about who Jesus was, we all know who he was, no that is sadly not true

Christianity is about who you are and are you like Him.
no that too is sadly not true. True Christianity should be about God and the glory of GOD and being a light to the world.


Everything Jesus said and did was a message intended for you and I as example of what you and I are supposed to be, to be like and to imitate. Do you walk as He walks, do you have the same mind that Jesus had and think and do as he did? Do you have the same Spirit in you? Are you perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as Jesus commanded you to be?
God has different works for each of His children, so unless you are speaking figuratively this is not true either...

[FONT=Calibri[B]]If you are anything less than what Jesus was[/B] then you have made up your own rules, doctrines, for you’re god. false manifest sons of God doctrine.... ok, We are NOT God, we are His children. there is only ONE True GOD. why are some on the forum amening this?

Denying to be as He is and as the one God sent to give to you what he had, to teach you to walk in the same light as He … seems to be the order for most. [/FONT]
yes we walk in the light of the HOLY SPIRIT but that is NOT the same as saying we are gods.


Some say we cant be perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect -- which is a direct denial to follow Gods way and the one He sent for you to follow and be like … That is His way. He is the way, the way you are supposed to be.
If you are anything less from what Jesus was, then you don’t follow Gods way for you at all.
so unless you claim to be a god, you are not following Jesus?

I think I would rather read my Bible personally....

Romans 8

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.


of course people will try and twist this too because they misunderstand the divine nature of Christ and our own place in God's plans but would be like Eve striving to BE like GOD instead of BE like who God created her to be.

anyways, it seems like an invasion on the forums... mmm....

Abiding I brought you breakfast ;)

 

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Actually God was in Jesus flesh, He is in me the same. And yes I am GaryMAc and one with the Father, He in me and In Him as one.
I do agree with what you said
Noooooooo Jesus WAS God personality the works it was Him! the great 'I AM" He is NOT in you the same, you are GaryMac but NOT one with the Father, Jesus was one with the Father because He was the Father.. We are NOT the Father... His spirit resides in us.

Christ came to take away the sins of this world. How did He fail to do that in you?
The lamb takes away the sins of the world by washing us DAILY with His BLOOD. We are NOT sinless the difference is though every time we do sin the Spirit convicts you to repentance hence we strive to righteousness.

We are NOT without sin.... No man is.

1 John 1:8-9
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins,
He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
 
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so unless you claim to be a god, you are not following Jesus?

I think I would rather read my Bible personally....

Romans 8

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.


of course people will try and twist this too because they misunderstand the divine nature of Christ and our own place in God's plans but would be like Eve striving to BE like GOD instead of BE like who God created her to be.

anyways, it seems like an invasion on the forums... mmm....

Abiding I brought you breakfast ;)



Nope that is not what I said at all -- I said -- No man is a god and God is not a man and anyone who claims or says God is a man does not know His Spirit, for God is a Spirit and He resides in the man.

Reading the bible is good but better yet applying it in you what it says. It is an instruction manual to lead you to the Christ – Christ in you. Once you have applied what is says and Christ in your being you are no longer under that tutorial, schoolmaster as the KJV calls it. You can go to the Father for yourself and recieve from Him directly. He in you and you in Him as one.
 

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Nope that is not what I said at all -- I said -- No man is a god and God is not a man and anyone who claims or says God is a man does not know His Spirit, for God is a Spirit and He resides in the man.
Jesus Christ was fully man yet he was 'I AM'

John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.
 
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Jesus Christ was fully man yet he was 'I AM'

John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.
We all are fully man and I Am the one I claim to be as well ... I and my Father are one, He in me and In HIm, Jesus said the same thing. I Am that I Am and I AM in Christ, He in me and In in Him are one. And if you dont believ that you can be as He is then you will die in your sins and Spiritually dead already.
 

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We all are fully man and I Am the one I claim to be as well ... I and my Father are one, He in me and In HIm, Jesus said the same thing. I Am that I Am and I AM in Christ, He in me and In in Him are one. And if you dont believ that you can be as He is then you will die in your sins and Spiritually dead already.
No you are not Him, you are GaryMac.
 
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Noooooooo Jesus WAS God personality the works it was Him! the great 'I AM" He is NOT in you the same, you are GaryMac but NOT one with the Father, Jesus was one with the Father because He was the Father.. We are NOT the Father... His spirit resides in us.



The lamb takes away the sins of the world by washing us DAILY with His BLOOD. We are NOT sinless the difference is though every time we do sin the Spirit convicts you to repentance hence we strive to righteousness.

We are NOT without sin.... No man is.

1 John 1:8-9
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins,
He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
Humm, so you are saying that Gods son is the Father? Let me ask you if you had sons, which one of them would be your father?

Jesus claim was he was son of God, same claim I make. My Father is God. Same Father Jesus had.
And yes we in Christ are without sin, Christ came to take that from me. Worked for Jesus and it works for me.

Im still wondering if Christ came to take away the sins of this world, How did He fail to do that? What caused Christ to fail in His mission on earth? Is it because you do not believe that He can?
 
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of course people will try and twist this too because they misunderstand the divine nature of Christ and our own place in God's plans but would be like Eve striving to BE like GOD instead of BE like who God created her to be.
mmm notice the dismissal of scripture after the receiving of the deceiving spirits in his response? the Bible is only a tutor until you get the "holy spirit" then you can just go on your "feelings" and "experiences" and approach God with your requests/demands. mmmm



2 John 1

7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we[c] may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses[d] and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.



Jesus is GOD IN THE FLESH OF MAN and I walk by the guidance of His Holy SPIRIT which NEVER contradicts His Holy Written Words but illuminates and clarifies His Truth both spoken and written.

soo.... the story is now that we are not to become gods but God was never incarnated in the flesh in the first place?

the only way to make his statement possible: him being equal to Jesus, is either to make us more then God intended or make Jesus less then who He was.

We are God's adopted children made possible through the cruxification and resurrection of Jesus and HIS work on the cross. Jesus is the BEGOTTEN not CREATED Son, Immanuel.

well if you want to continue watching this channel that is your choice.

you've been warned.

if you like to test a person's spirit ask them this question:

what is the difference between THEM and JESUS?

and see if you get a Biblical answer.
 
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