This is where you have no balance in your understanding. Yes, He is our righteousness but He also became sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him (2Cor 5:21). When the Father looks upon us, He only sees us through the blood of His Son and says, 'There is my righteousness imputed to them because they believed upon my Son'. You know what else AnandaHya, God will never impute a single sin to our account ever, because all our sin was put on Christ's account and was crucified and paid for through His death. That is what mercy and grace is all about, never imputing a single sin. You can charge any believer you want of any sin they are guilty of committing but God will not impute that sin nor will they have to pay or be judged for that sin either. That is the part of the finished work that many believers do not understand or want nothing to do with and because of that they will suffer loss as they make their charge of antinomianism.
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do you even know what the conversation is about at all Red?
Gary Mac thinks ... well just read his words yourself. His OP says "we're gods"
It is not my understanding that needs addressing.
you and 4runner can hash it out about antinomianism and perfectionist stuff.
4runner you asked who taught what I posted on another thread, well have you meet GaryMac or read his words?
Gary Mac thinks ... well just read his words yourself. His OP says "we're gods"
It is not my understanding that needs addressing.
you and 4runner can hash it out about antinomianism and perfectionist stuff.
4runner you asked who taught what I posted on another thread, well have you meet GaryMac or read his words?
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Your next study can be on the following verses. Then tell us what you come up with, objectively and practically, positionally and experientially...
Ps 82:6, Ob 1:21, Jn 10:35, 1Jn 4:17, 2Cor 5:20,21, Mt 25:40, Acts 9:4,5, 22:7,8, Gal 4:19, 1Jn 3:2, Rom 8:17
Of course, do even think of studying these verse unless God leads you.
Ps 82:6, Ob 1:21, Jn 10:35, 1Jn 4:17, 2Cor 5:20,21, Mt 25:40, Acts 9:4,5, 22:7,8, Gal 4:19, 1Jn 3:2, Rom 8:17
Of course, do even think of studying these verse unless God leads you.
GaryMac.
1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
According to the above scripture it is the Holy Spirit's job to teach us all things and to convince us not you sorry Gary even though if you speak some truth and i did not mean to offend you in any way and apology if i did, its just that we don't need the convincing from you?
1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
According to the above scripture it is the Holy Spirit's job to teach us all things and to convince us not you sorry Gary even though if you speak some truth and i did not mean to offend you in any way and apology if i did, its just that we don't need the convincing from you?
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1Co 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
1Co 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
I keep under my body.............I bring it into subjection................
1Co 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
I keep under my body.............I bring it into subjection................
Gary, according to John 17:21-23 what you say has truth in it that Jesus and the Father resides in us and makes us as one spiritual speaking. but remember that we as believers receives all our teaching from the Spirit - 1 John 2:27 
so no need for more teaching kk?
Good Gary, Jesus bless you.
so no need for more teaching kk?Good Gary, Jesus bless you.
Prayer isnt in mans natural instinct and is foolishness to the fesh man. But prayer is direct comunication with the one who created us all and it is in His SPirit that we pray at all.
Father give in me that what you gave in Jesus Christ and let me have your mind, your thoughts, your way, your Spirit. Gosh, if only man would pray before he speak!
You didnt offend me at all.
Convincing? Im not trying to convince anyone of anything, I am only witnessing that which is in me. If that is drudgery to you then so be it. But as for me I cant help but speak the things I have seen and heard, not from man, but from God Himself. His Spirit in me will not allow mans opinions to sway me in any direction other than He in me.
If Jesus sounded like he was trying to convince me to be like Him, what do you think He would say? Maybe, follow me and I will show you the way to be like me. Or perhaps you be one with the Father as I am one with Him .How about pick up your cross and continue where I leave off. Or walk as I walk, or let this same Spirit be in you who was in me.
Don’t judge me by your standard. Judge me by His standard.
Convincing? Im not trying to convince anyone of anything, I am only witnessing that which is in me. If that is drudgery to you then so be it. But as for me I cant help but speak the things I have seen and heard, not from man, but from God Himself. His Spirit in me will not allow mans opinions to sway me in any direction other than He in me.
If Jesus sounded like he was trying to convince me to be like Him, what do you think He would say? Maybe, follow me and I will show you the way to be like me. Or perhaps you be one with the Father as I am one with Him .How about pick up your cross and continue where I leave off. Or walk as I walk, or let this same Spirit be in you who was in me.
Don’t judge me by your standard. Judge me by His standard.
Ok Gary i judge you by His standard i confess.
Now let us rejoice as Jesus and the Father are in us and we in them.
John 17:21-23
that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one. I in them and you in me so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
Now let us rejoice as Jesus and the Father are in us and we in them.
John 17:21-23
that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one. I in them and you in me so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
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Gary...all Christians know of the indwelling spirit and that its the Spirit of Christ in them. And they are one with
Him. What you are experiencing isnt christian persecution. Its the provocative way you do it. It has nothing to do
with the truth your saying over and over and over. Maybe teach implications or applications rather than one
mantra mixed with esoteric language. Also when you finally are questioned about your posts..instead of answering them specifically...you presume they have no idea of the truth and tell them they know nothing about it. And thats why they are questioning you. Believe me its you that isnt understood not the truth you attempt
to be talking of.
From what ive seen attacks could merely be on you and what and how you say things and not the John 17 reality
Him. What you are experiencing isnt christian persecution. Its the provocative way you do it. It has nothing to do
with the truth your saying over and over and over. Maybe teach implications or applications rather than one
mantra mixed with esoteric language. Also when you finally are questioned about your posts..instead of answering them specifically...you presume they have no idea of the truth and tell them they know nothing about it. And thats why they are questioning you. Believe me its you that isnt understood not the truth you attempt
to be talking of.
From what ive seen attacks could merely be on you and what and how you say things and not the John 17 reality
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I know that my words are short and to the point and I do not mean to sound that way and judgmental, that is not my intent at all. If I may tell you a little of my background perhaps it might help some understand me.
In my profession people lives are at stake. I freelance for various oil companies planning and schedule all activities for turnarounds. Basically I tell them what has to be done to fix it and hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake as well.
A turnaround is when a plant comes up for shut down and fix everything that is wore out or has expired OSHA standards. Sometimes there are thousands of men to come into the plant and blitz all the work at one time. Safety is paramount and If I am not direct, straight forward, and to the point, men get killed and it happens more frequent than I would like to admit even with all the precautions.
I can’t beat around a bush and pat someone on the back when I see him not taking his responsibility in doing what he is supposed to do from managemnt down to the clean up laborers. And I suppose this carries over in my demeanor in these forums. It isn’t that I am scolding or condemning but that I am only trying to let people see that they need to pick up and do their job so they won’t pay the consequences for slacking. Be more than you personally can be. And I believe our churches are suffering and in dire straight away from Christ because of this very passive attitude of, don’t rock the boat. I’ve been the Youth Pastor, the Elder, the Deacon, and know how it works.
In this I guess this is why God sent me to go into Texas prisons for over twenty five years and handle the attitudes that linger in these. I can’t pat a man on the back when he screws up, that only makes him more passive. I can’t tell him a job well done when he keeps coming back to prison for the same offense over and over and then meet them in a chapel where they confess Christ and then go right out and kill someone. You can learn a lot about people in these environments.
If Christ be in a person it is evident, they talk like Him, they apply the same things Jesus applied to themselves, they walk in the stature of Christ, has the same mind does the same things. And these signs follow those who believe. At least you don’t see me calling anyone a wolf in sheep’s clothing, or a din of thieves or heretic, nor do you see me making a whip and driving out the money changers. What you will see in me is a straight forward response from the words of Jesus. Be as I am, walk as I walk, do as I do, let this same mind be in you who as in Him. And if someone responds to me in any other fashion from that what Jesus responded to the same, then I cant help but witness Him, and then all of a sudden conviction has me the enemy. It was no different in Jesus life. He made all these comments himself and all I can do is bear witness of the same because we have the same.
I really do not mean to come across the way I’m portrayed and I truly am saddened by it, I want everyone to like me just as the next guy does. I'm not denying that I do, I know I am straight forward and do not beat around a bush and I suppose if one is used to being patted on the back I would goad, that is obvious in the way some respond to me. But I am that I am.
Thank you for your honesty toward me, it reveals your character.
Gary
In my profession people lives are at stake. I freelance for various oil companies planning and schedule all activities for turnarounds. Basically I tell them what has to be done to fix it and hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake as well.
A turnaround is when a plant comes up for shut down and fix everything that is wore out or has expired OSHA standards. Sometimes there are thousands of men to come into the plant and blitz all the work at one time. Safety is paramount and If I am not direct, straight forward, and to the point, men get killed and it happens more frequent than I would like to admit even with all the precautions.
I can’t beat around a bush and pat someone on the back when I see him not taking his responsibility in doing what he is supposed to do from managemnt down to the clean up laborers. And I suppose this carries over in my demeanor in these forums. It isn’t that I am scolding or condemning but that I am only trying to let people see that they need to pick up and do their job so they won’t pay the consequences for slacking. Be more than you personally can be. And I believe our churches are suffering and in dire straight away from Christ because of this very passive attitude of, don’t rock the boat. I’ve been the Youth Pastor, the Elder, the Deacon, and know how it works.
In this I guess this is why God sent me to go into Texas prisons for over twenty five years and handle the attitudes that linger in these. I can’t pat a man on the back when he screws up, that only makes him more passive. I can’t tell him a job well done when he keeps coming back to prison for the same offense over and over and then meet them in a chapel where they confess Christ and then go right out and kill someone. You can learn a lot about people in these environments.
If Christ be in a person it is evident, they talk like Him, they apply the same things Jesus applied to themselves, they walk in the stature of Christ, has the same mind does the same things. And these signs follow those who believe. At least you don’t see me calling anyone a wolf in sheep’s clothing, or a din of thieves or heretic, nor do you see me making a whip and driving out the money changers. What you will see in me is a straight forward response from the words of Jesus. Be as I am, walk as I walk, do as I do, let this same mind be in you who as in Him. And if someone responds to me in any other fashion from that what Jesus responded to the same, then I cant help but witness Him, and then all of a sudden conviction has me the enemy. It was no different in Jesus life. He made all these comments himself and all I can do is bear witness of the same because we have the same.
I really do not mean to come across the way I’m portrayed and I truly am saddened by it, I want everyone to like me just as the next guy does. I'm not denying that I do, I know I am straight forward and do not beat around a bush and I suppose if one is used to being patted on the back I would goad, that is obvious in the way some respond to me. But I am that I am.
Thank you for your honesty toward me, it reveals your character.
Gary
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Gary, I understand some about your position. But still Being one with the Father was
what Jesus was. And what we become. Its meat that has to be defined.
Its not the purpose Jesus came for, its a result. Its not all that Jesus talked about in
every conversation. And If you want to be liked and understood then start a few threads
and give it implications and applications. The text of John 17 is one of the beautifullest
passages in the gospels. Its not the answer to every thread, or every persons need.
And surely you should never say that if a person hasnt got as far as you are on this
that they dont even know God, as you did say.
what Jesus was. And what we become. Its meat that has to be defined.
Its not the purpose Jesus came for, its a result. Its not all that Jesus talked about in
every conversation. And If you want to be liked and understood then start a few threads
and give it implications and applications. The text of John 17 is one of the beautifullest
passages in the gospels. Its not the answer to every thread, or every persons need.
And surely you should never say that if a person hasnt got as far as you are on this
that they dont even know God, as you did say.
You would have to copy and past to me that I said if a person hasnt got as far as you are on this
that they dont even know God, as you did say. That is an incorrect statement. What you probably read was-- if you are not as Jesus was and has what he had then you dont follow his way for you at all.
You see, you accuse me of the very thing you are guilty of. You dont see that in yourself do you?
that they dont even know God, as you did say. That is an incorrect statement. What you probably read was-- if you are not as Jesus was and has what he had then you dont follow his way for you at all.
You see, you accuse me of the very thing you are guilty of. You dont see that in yourself do you?