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clarification he claims that JESUS IS THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, but that it happened at JESUS Baptism by JOHN NOT at his conception.

He redefines what the word begotten and Virgin means so that GaryMac can claim to be begotten just like JESUS was begotten of the Holy Spirit.
 
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clarification he claims that JESUS IS THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, but that it happened at JESUS Baptism by JOHN NOT at his conception.

He redefines what the word begotten and Virgin means so that GaryMac can claim to be begotten just like JESUS was begotten of the Holy Spirit.
Read it for yourself. Matt 3:16, God came to Jesus in Spirit and opened all of heaven to the man. If you dont believe that He did, dont blame me, blame Matt 3:16.

Re defines Begotten? Look up the word for yourself. It means an extension of or a duplication of.

Wake up people and see the Christ! Good lord have I never seen so many againt the Lord.
 
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Okay, Gary, I'm going to try to clarify your position one more time. Are you saying that Jesus was NOT the begotten son of God, born of Mary by way of the Holy Spirit, but rather a normal man who was born of Mary and Joseph (or maybe Mary and some other guy), just a normal man like you, but one who later received the Spirit of Christ, just as you claim to have done? is that what you are telling us? I really do want to know.

No let me try and clearify your position

No I am not saying Jesus was not begotten of God He was. let me try and clearify your position one more time. No I am not saying Jesus was not begotten of God He was. Begotten simply means an extension of or a reproduction of. SO am I. I am not a normal man I am begotten of God, I am an extension of God, He in me and In in Him are one, I am created in His image. Begotten of Him. Has the same Spirit in me has the same mind as He and YOU are supposed to have as well. But you don’t do you?

And I didnt claim Jesus received Gods Spirit later at all. John did in Matt 3:16.

And if you really want to know for yourself, read it for yourself it is all in the word.
 

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For God so loved the world, He gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
 
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no one is Against the LORD JESUS CHRIST. they are just against the spirit inside of YOU who claims to be Christ and that JESUS was born of MARY and JOSEPH and needed for HEAVEN to be open to Him at His baptism instead of being BEGOTTEN of the HOLY SPIRIT in the VIRGIN Marry with no help from JOSEPH.

Look UP VIRGIN.

If you don't believe what GOD Says in HIS written word, Don't blame me, blame the deceiving spirit inside yourself.

Yes JESUS CHRIST is BEGOTTEN of GOD, HE is the extension of or a duplication of GOD. HE sends His HOLY SPIRIT to all HIS Children so they might cry out Abba Father. as Adopted born again children NOT begotten duplicated copies of GOD. learn the difference.

If you don't understand the Mysteries of God don't blame me, question the spirit you allowed residence in your heart that lies to you about God's revealed Truths.

Luke 1

26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”[c]
29 But when she saw him,[d] she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. 30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
34 Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.


This is not about me, my way or my words, but GOD and HIS REVEALED TRUTH of HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON!

this is not against you but against the false doctrine you try and pass off as CHRISTIAN.

NO one is against JESUS CHRIST as LORD. or the HOLY SPIRIT as living within HIS Adopted children.

they are against the lies that JESUS was just a man conceived of the carnal union between Joseph and Mary and who needed "heaven to open up" to Him at His baptism.

They affirm that JESUS descended FROM Heaven BEFORE His birth and is GOD incarnate dwelling among MAN. We look to the promise of the world to come and live in the peace and comfort of the HOLY SPIRIT within us.
 
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oh now we have lies about John the Baptist too.

great....

Luke 1
67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “ Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.
76 “ And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Highest;
For you will go before the face of the Lord to prepare His ways,
77 To give knowledge of salvation to His people
By the remission of their sins,

78 Through the tender mercy of our God,
With which the Dayspring from on high has visited[e] us;
79 To give light to those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death,
To guide our feet into the way of peace.”

80 So the child grew and became strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his manifestation to Israel.
 
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John 3
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.[a] 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

JESUS CAME FROM HEAVEN to be Incarnated in the VIRGIN Mary. He is the Manna from Heaven. NO ONE else can claim to be CHRIST but the one who is the Only BEGOTTEN SON of GOD.

VIRGIN.

was your MOM a VIRGIN GaryMac? were you Begotten in your mother's womb with only the HOLY SPIRIT seed and no man's?

why do want to claim titles that belong only to JESUS CHRIST?

why is being a born again adopted child of God not enough for you?

Do you believe in Jesus Christ's VIRGIN birth or do you still think Joseph had relations with Mary to create the man Jesus?
 

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Yes Jesus Christ was God incarnate from Birth out of a virgin, at 30 years He opened up heaven on Himself in Matthew 3:16 and anointed Himself with His own Spirit that came down from heaven. From that point onward He preached the good news and healed the sick.

We are not God incarnate, we have His Spirit dwelling in us though to guide us into all truth.
 
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Gary, you are so chock-full of lies it's almost scary :eek:. At first I hoped that you were merely deceived, but now I know that you are a bona-fide false prophet. You seriously think that you are on the same level as Jesus?!?!? Woe unto you, and I seriously mean that. I bind every lie that you have spoken here and any that you speak in the future, in the name of our Lord Jesus. May they fall on deaf ears, they are the words of DEATH! I think I heard right, gluttony was your downfall. But it was not gluttony of the stomach, it was gluttony of the ego. You fed your ego so much that you now believe that you are equal to Jesus. Maybe one day you will see the error of your ways, but I won't be holding my breath. If you haven't already said enough to get banned, then I'm going to keep poking you until you do. Depart from us, the truth is NOT in you.
 
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no one is Against the LORD JESUS CHRIST. they are just against the spirit inside of YOU who claims to be Christ and that JESUS was born of MARY and JOSEPH and needed for HEAVEN to be open to Him at His baptism instead of being BEGOTTEN of the HOLY SPIRIT in the VIRGIN Marry with no help from JOSEPH.

Look UP VIRGIN.

If you don't believe what GOD Says in HIS written word, Don't blame me, blame the deceiving spirit inside yourself.

Yes JESUS CHRIST is BEGOTTEN of GOD, HE is the extension of or a duplication of GOD. HE sends His HOLY SPIRIT to all HIS Children so they might cry out Abba Father. as Adopted born again children NOT begotten duplicated copies of GOD. learn the difference.

If you don't understand the Mysteries of God don't blame me, question the spirit you allowed residence in your heart that lies to you about God's revealed Truths.

Luke 1

26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”[c]
29 But when she saw him,[d] she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. 30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
34 Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.


This is not about me, my way or my words, but GOD and HIS REVEALED TRUTH of HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON!

this is not against you but against the false doctrine you try and pass off as CHRISTIAN.

NO one is against JESUS CHRIST as LORD. or the HOLY SPIRIT as living within HIS Adopted children.

they are against the lies that JESUS was just a man conceived of the carnal union between Joseph and Mary and who needed "heaven to open up" to Him at His baptism.

They affirm that JESUS descended FROM Heaven BEFORE His birth and is GOD incarnate dwelling among MAN. We look to the promise of the world to come and live in the peace and comfort of the HOLY SPIRIT within us.
There is no mysteries in Christ, The revealed truth is either you are like Him or you are not. And the Spirit that resides in my heart is God, Christ in me. If you cant relate to that then I understand why you would think that Christ in me is a demon,

And it is about you and no one else. This is about birthing the Christ that is supposed to be in you, anointed of God.

And I agree this isn’t about me it is about the fales God you claim as Christ in me. It is that which you cant relate to for yourself and is foreign to your understanding and the god that you serve.

And Jesus didn’t descend from heaven before his birth, He was made of a woman born under the law just as you and I by Gods seed planted in the woman and birthing the Christ just as you are supposed to do. And if you looked for His peace to come and reside in you then you would know it is you who bears the Christ, Gods anointed one.
It is Christ that descends from above and has made His abode in man sense Adam. . It happend in Moses Abraham and othersMary wasnt the first, Adam was. The first man Adam was of flesh, the second man Adam was of Spirit, born again, Same thing happens in us all who God comes and makes His abode. It happened in Mary, it happened in Jesus in Matt 3;16, Paul, 120 in an upper room, and all of us who has received from God His Spirit. Notice how people lives changed when this happend in them mainly Jesus. Suposed to happen in you as well.
 
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oh now we have lies about John the Baptist too.

great....

Luke 1
67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “ Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.
76 “ And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Highest;
For you will go before the face of the Lord to prepare His ways,
77 To give knowledge of salvation to His people
By the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God,
With which the Dayspring from on high has visited[e] us;
79 To give light to those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death,
To guide our feet into the way of peace.”

80 So the child grew and became strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his manifestation to Israel.

I agree, John knew Gods Spirit before Jesus did, He saw Jesus coming and told him there is one coming after me who I cant give you. And sure enough God came to Jesus and opend all of heaven to the man, John knew he couldnt give that to Jesus. He alread knew Him. Else he wouldnt have been able to make such a statement.
 
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John 3
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.[a] 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

JESUS CAME FROM HEAVEN to be Incarnated in the VIRGIN Mary. He is the Manna from Heaven. NO ONE else can claim to be CHRIST but the one who is the Only BEGOTTEN SON of GOD.

VIRGIN.

was your MOM a VIRGIN GaryMac? were you Begotten in your mother's womb with only the HOLY SPIRIT seed and no man's?

why do want to claim titles that belong only to JESUS CHRIST?

why is being a born again adopted child of God not enough for you?

Do you believe in Jesus Christ's VIRGIN birth or do you still think Joseph had relations with Mary to create the man Jesus?


Gods Spirit came down and made His abode in Jesus. Matt 3:16.

Mary was a virgin. Gods Spirit came to her and she birthed the Christ. Same SPirit came to Jesus in matt 3:16 and he birthed the Christ. Same Spirit came to Paul and he birthed the Christ, same one came to me and I birthd the Christ. Anointed of Gods SPirit. If you cant relate to that virgin birth Ok OK, I understand. Youhave missed the whole meaning in the story. Everything that is written is written to you and about you.

It is you who is written in the lambs book of life, and if you are not then I can see why this does not apply to you. But it is you who is suposed to be that person of Christ.

I agree with most of you, you are not written in there.
 
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Yes Jesus Christ was God incarnate from Birth out of a virgin, at 30 years He opened up heaven on Himself in Matthew 3:16 and anointed Himself with His own Spirit that came down from heaven. From that point onward He preached the good news and healed the sick.

We are not God incarnate, we have His Spirit dwelling in us though to guide us into all truth.

LOL do your really believe that? Good Lord, where ever you get your education it sure isnt from Gods PSirit be in you.

But I do agree I have the same Spirirt in me Mary had in her and Jesus had in Him and God did open all of heaven to us the same. By His Spirit.
 
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God sent an example of what He wants of us and His example is Jesus Christ. Christianity isn’t about who Jesus was, we all know who he was, Christianity is about who you are and are you like Him.
Everything Jesus said and did was a message intended for you and I as example of what you and I are supposed to be, to be like and to imitate. Do you walk as He walks, do you have the same mind that Jesus had and think and do as he did? Do you have the same Spirit in you? Are you perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as Jesus commanded you to be?

If you are anything less than what Jesus was then you have made up your own rules, doctrines, for you’re god. Denying to be as He is and as the one God sent to give to you what he had, to teach you to walk in the same light as He … seems to be the order for most.
Some say we cant be perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect -- which is a direct denial to follow Gods way and the one He sent for you to follow and be like … That is His way. He is the way, the way you are supposed to be.
If you are anything less from what Jesus was, then you don’t follow Gods way for you at all.
 

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Gary Mac you should share how one can recieve this gift
be blessed, hope you share
 
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Gary, you are so chock-full of lies it's almost scary :eek:. At first I hoped that you were merely deceived, but now I know that you are a bona-fide false prophet. You seriously think that you are on the same level as Jesus?!?!? Woe unto you, and I seriously mean that. I bind every lie that you have spoken here and any that you speak in the future, in the name of our Lord Jesus. May they fall on deaf ears, they are the words of DEATH! I think I heard right, gluttony was your downfall. But it was not gluttony of the stomach, it was gluttony of the ego. You fed your ego so much that you now believe that you are equal to Jesus. Maybe one day you will see the error of your ways, but I won't be holding my breath. If you haven't already said enough to get banned, then I'm going to keep poking you until you do. Depart from us, the truth is NOT in you.
What you mean is I am chock full of lies the same way Jesus was to the same as you. And a false prophet is anyone who is not like Him and has what He has. And as far as on the same level I have the same Spirit in me Jesus had in him. And you cant bind the Christ that is in me at all, I am free in Christ. And His words have fallen on deaf ears, you are perfect example of that. And gluttony of ego, Eago will keep you from being like Him you are above being like Him, You said yourself you cant be like Him overriding his will for you. Poke me if you will but He and I are one, He n me and In Him and that is what has you so upset, you cant be and I can. And maybe one day you will be raised up to meet Him as well.
 
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There is no mysteries in Christ, The revealed truth is either you are like Him or you are not. And the Spirit that resides in my heart is God,

Yes you worship the spirit inside of you as a god, no argument with that statement.



Christ in me. no it is not JESUS Christ from the BIBLE because you think Jesus was born of Mary AND Joseph through carnal relations between them and DENY His virgin birth and that JESUS came from HEAVEN and was there BEFORE He was born and has returned and is in HEAVEN NOW, not some "place inside of you" but a place BEYOND you that can only be reached through the grace and mercy of GOD and help from His angels.

If you cant relate to that then I understand why you would think that Christ in me is a demon,
God's Holy Spirit lives within me and testifies you speak lies.



And it is about you and no one else. This is about birthing the Christ that is supposed to be in you, anointed of God. no it not about me, its about GOD and HIS Glory. It is about JESUS CHRIST. YOU just want to make it about me or yourself, but I reject that as well for it is false. it is about JESUS CHRIST the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God, ALMighty God, Prince of Peace, the prophecied CHILD.


And I agree this isn’t about me it is about the fales god you claim as Christ in me. It is that which you cant relate to for yourself and is foreign to your understanding and God whom you serve.


[FONT=Calibri[B]]And Jesus didn’t descend from heaven before his birth,

ok Peps I'm not allowed to report anymore of his post but does this count as deny the deity of Jesus Christ yet?


He was made of a woman born under the law just as you and I by Gods seed planted in the woman and birthing the Christ just as you are supposed to do. And if you looked for His peace to come and reside in you then you would know it is you who bears the Christ, Gods anointed one. [/FONT]
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God has sent His Holy Spirit to give me peace and teach me His ways. He is my Lord and savior and He testifies to the lies you speak in His name. I have been annointed of God, but that does not make me His CHRIST. for that title belongs to JESUS who is the ONLY Begotten Son of GOD. I am His adopted child, given my task and shown the race I must run towards God's upward call. May God have mercy on your soul and free you from the chains of lies, illusions and sin you have allowed Satan to snare you inside.


It is Christ that descends from above and has made His abode in man sense Adam. . It happend in Moses Abraham and othersMary wasnt the first, Adam was. The first man Adam was of flesh, the second man Adam was of Spirit, born again, Same thing happens in us all who God comes and makes His abode. It happened in Mary, it happened in Jesus in Matt 3;16, Paul, 120 in an upper room, and all of us who has received from God His Spirit. Notice how people lives changed when this happend in them mainly Jesus. Suposed to happen in you as well.
JESUS IS SPECIAL. but your lies are common place. sad.
 
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Gary at least you are more right than most, I did not read all, but a lot of people make statements agaisnt some part of scripture. This is what I think is the simplest way to say this... Does God have the means to make a sinner a new creature that will walk, talk and live exactly as holy as His Son did? Ok, I think we all know He has. Now does God want the people on earth to be this holy? Well again we have to say YES! Now? is there any person that wants to have God change him or her to this new creature? Again we have to say YES! Then what is the problem? Is human nature so strong to KEEP God away from what He wants to do? First NO for the day....

Just go read the Bible, and SEE for yourself what Born of God means! Just go read, if you are three and can read you will get it, you need NO OTHER TO EXPLAIN! The only reason people want it explained is becasue they do not believe what they read.... Here just read it without EDITING...
1 John 3: 9....
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

If any person wants to edit or explain or come with ...out of context, let me assure you the Bible, and the WHOLE context of the Bible, points straight at ....BE PERFECT EVEN AS THOU FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT.... The whole Bible teaches this, all the rest people like to explain and or edit... is excuses to keep on sinning! Do not be mislead... those that doth righteousness is righteouss even as HE is righteous.

The only POWER that can achieve this is the BIRTH FROM GOD! NO MAN CAN DO THIS ON HIS OWN NONE!!!! Only God can do it to wm really wants it....
 

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There is no mysteries in Christ, The revealed truth is either you are like Him or you are not. And the Spirit that resides in my heart is God, Christ in me. If you cant relate to that then I understand why you would think that Christ in me is a demon,

And it is about you and no one else. This is about birthing the Christ that is supposed to be in you, anointed of God.

And I agree this isn’t about me it is about the fales God you claim as Christ in me. It is that which you cant relate to for yourself and is foreign to your understanding and the god that you serve.

And Jesus didn’t descend from heaven before his birth, He was made of a woman born under the law just as you and I by Gods seed planted in the woman and birthing the Christ just as you are supposed to do. And if you looked for His peace to come and reside in you then you would know it is you who bears the Christ, Gods anointed one.
It is Christ that descends from above and has made His abode in man sense Adam. . It happend in Moses Abraham and othersMary wasnt the first, Adam was. The first man Adam was of flesh, the second man Adam was of Spirit, born again, Same thing happens in us all who God comes and makes His abode. It happened in Mary, it happened in Jesus in Matt 3;16, Paul, 120 in an upper room, and all of us who has received from God His Spirit. Notice how people lives changed when this happend in them mainly Jesus. Suposed to happen in you as well.
That is an outright lie, Jesus did descend from heaven onto Mary a virgin.

Matthew 1:23
Behold,
a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Luke 1:31-33
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
 

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LOL do your really believe that? Good Lord, where ever you get your education it sure isnt from Gods PSirit be in you.

But I do agree I have the same Spirirt in me Mary had in her and Jesus had in Him and God did open all of heaven to us the same. By His Spirit.
Yes because the word of God says so.

From here,

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Matthew 1:23
Behold,
a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Luke 1:31-33
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
 
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