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Did she heal herself by means of her faith?

Did Jesus heal her?
Yes, Jesus did in fact heal her. He did say that he sensed power leaving Him. This was obviously healing power because she was, in fact, healed. If she lacked faith she would not have touched the clothing of Jesus in the first place.
 

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Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return [must come to pass], That UNTO ME every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, (...)
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (..).

Our God is a jealous God - zero tolerance for bowing to others and serving others.
He has sworn, that to Him, and to Him alone, will knees bow and tongues confess.
Yet it is said that all knees will bow to JESUS....
That can mean only one thing... shall I say it or can you guess? :)
 
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Yes, Jesus did in fact heal her. He did say that he sensed power leaving Him. This was obviously healing power because she was, in fact, healed. If she lacked faith she would not have touched the clothing of Jesus in the first place.

Agreed! In much the same way, it seems that the actual resurrecting of Jesus was accomplished by his Father: "God raised him from the dead." (Acts 2:24) "
 
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Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return [must come to pass], That UNTO ME every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, (...)
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (..).

Our God is a jealous God - zero tolerance for bowing to others and serving others.
He has sworn, that to Him, and to Him alone, will knees bow and tongues confess.
Yet it is said that all knees will bow to JESUS....
That can mean only one thing... shall I say it or can you guess? :)

"And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king." (1 Chronicles 29:20)
 

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"And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king." (1 Chronicles 29:20)
The correct translation would be bowed their heads before God and before the king.
But even if they did worship him (which they didn't), David being a type and shadow of Christ, it doesn't help the case of denying divinity of Son of Man.
Anyway, this did not address or make void the argument I made.
The Word of God says, that to God every knee shall bow and every tongue swear. Then it tells us in the New testament that to Jesus every knee shall bow and every tongue confess His name. Since God is jealous, and doesn't share His glory with another,
That leads to a certain conclusion about Jesus --------------------------->
 
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The correct translation would be bowed their heads before God and before the king.

That was already stated in the verse: "And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king." (1 Chronicles 29:20)

This doesn't seem like "zero tolerance for bowing to others and serving others" for king David.
 

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That was already stated in the verse: "And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king." (1 Chronicles 29:20)

This doesn't seem like "zero tolerance for bowing to others and serving others" for king David.
Okay I see what you're saying. I'll pour in more coffee here. :coffee: From context, it must mean that they prostrated.
Are you arguing here that they worshiped David as God?
 
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Are you arguing here that they worshiped David as God?

No sir. I'd say they bowed themselves to their king as a sign of respect towards their God that made him such.

Much like how "God exalted [Jesus] to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:9-11)
 

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No sir. I'd say they bowed themselves to their king as a sign of respect towards their God that made him such.

Much like how "God exalted [Jesus] to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:9-11)
What's your reason to not believe Jesus is God, when we are told that Father is in Him? There have been many pages on this thread listing very reasonable arguments for Jesus being God. What convinces you into the opposite?
 
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What's your reason to not believe Jesus is God, when we are told that Father is in Him? There have been many pages on this thread listing very reasonable arguments for Jesus being God. What convinces you into the opposite?

Great question. To put it simply, I take Jesus at his word when he says: "Father...this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." (John 17:1-3) ∴ Jesus, according to Jesus, is not "the only true God."

Is there any particular passage that convinces you otherwise?
 

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Is there any particular passage that convinces you otherwise?
Many. They have been posted all over this thread. Particularly, I listed some of my main reasons in this post

Great question. To put it simply, I take Jesus at his word when he says: "Father...this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." (John 17:1-3) ∴ Jesus, according to Jesus, is not "the only true God."
Okay, I am happy you brought this up.
What I put in red, is what not exactly what the Scripture says - it is your conclusion about it. It may seem like a logical conclusion but you base that conclusion on a certain view of Jesus and Father and their relationship.

To really understand the verse, we need the correct view of Jesus first. We need to not forget that Jesus is not only the earthly manifestation in human form. Jesus is also called Word of God, Arm of the Lord, Alpha and Omega. Jesus is everything that Father said (Word) or did (Arm). Alpha and Omega is used only for Jesus in the Bible, not for Father. Father God has no beginning, and no end, but the Word was always with God, and was God, even before Father God voiced "let there be light". Father God is not manifested. This is why the Scripture says that "no one can see God and live". But "Son" is Father manifested in the created world, showing Himself in time and space and having beginning and end. Jesus is, simply put, manifestation of the Father, so Father can make Himself known. Jesus is "Father shown".

Pay attention what Jesus replies when the disciples ask Jesus to "show them the Father":
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I [Father] been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me [Father], Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father [I have already shown Myself to you]; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
 
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So the Father has more power than the Son?

"But I want you to realize that...the head of Christ is God." (1 Corinthians 11:3)
Yes the Father is head of the Son of God, Christ. The father represents the power God. The Son of God is our eternal high priest continually without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end .(Hebrews 7) God is Spirit. The father of all life. according to the flesh Jesus as the Son of man He inherited it from His mother. He declared it profits for nothing .
He did the will of the Father not seen.

The Son according to the corrupted flesh has no power. That power needed to strengthen the flesh is Spirit it is called the holiness of the Spirit of God.

In that way there is no holiness of the flesh. . the object the spirit was poured out on f giving it the breath of eternal life. breath to

The book of Romans introduces the un seen work of the Spirit.

Black. . . no life. 'powerless flesh .

Green . . new spirit life.


Red . . power to produce new spirt life

Romans 1: 1-5 King James Version (KJV)
Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures, Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
 
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Pay attention what Jesus replies when the disciples ask Jesus to "show them the Father":
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I [Father] been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me [Father], Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father [I have already shown Myself to you]; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
"When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 'Lord,' he said, 'my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.'

"Jesus said to him, 'Shall I come and heal him?'

"The centurion replied, 'Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, "Go," and he goes; and that one, "Come," and he comes. I say to my servant, "Do this," and he does it.'

"When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, 'Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

"Then Jesus said to the centurion, 'Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.' And his servant was healed at that moment." (Matthew 8:5-13)


Technically, Jesus and the centurion never met. Agreed?
 

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"When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 'Lord,' he said, 'my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.'

"Jesus said to him, 'Shall I come and heal him?'

"The centurion replied, 'Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, "Go," and he goes; and that one, "Come," and he comes. I say to my servant, "Do this," and he does it.'

"When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, 'Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

"Then Jesus said to the centurion, 'Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.' And his servant was healed at that moment." (Matthew 8:5-13)


Technically, Jesus and the centurion never met. Agreed?
I am not making connection of what you're trying to say here.
 
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I am not making connection of what you're trying to say here.

That's understandable. Here's the same account in Luke's Gospel:

"When Jesus had finished saying all this to the people who were listening, he entered Capernaum. There a centurion’s servant, whom his master valued highly, was sick and about to die. The centurion heard of Jesus and sent some elders of the Jews to him, asking him to come and heal his servant. When they came to Jesus, they pleaded earnestly with him, 'This man deserves to have you do this, because he loves our nation and has built our synagogue.' So Jesus went with them.

"He was not far from the house when the centurion sent friends to say to him: 'Lord, don’t trouble yourself, for I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. That is why I did not even consider myself worthy to come to you. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, "Go," and he goes; and that one, "Come," and he comes. I say to my servant, "Do this," and he does it.'

"When Jesus heard this, he was amazed at him, and turning to the crowd following him, he said, 'I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel.' Then the men who had been sent returned to the house and found the servant well." (Luke 7:1-10)


How is it that Matthew says that the centurion saw Jesus and spoke to him and yet Luke says that the centurion did not see Jesus?
 

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That's understandable. Here's the same account in Luke's Gospel:

"When Jesus had finished saying all this to the people who were listening, he entered Capernaum. There a centurion’s servant, whom his master valued highly, was sick and about to die. The centurion heard of Jesus and sent some elders of the Jews to him, asking him to come and heal his servant. When they came to Jesus, they pleaded earnestly with him, 'This man deserves to have you do this, because he loves our nation and has built our synagogue.' So Jesus went with them.

"He was not far from the house when the centurion sent friends to say to him: 'Lord, don’t trouble yourself, for I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. That is why I did not even consider myself worthy to come to you. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, "Go," and he goes; and that one, "Come," and he comes. I say to my servant, "Do this," and he does it.'

"When Jesus heard this, he was amazed at him, and turning to the crowd following him, he said, 'I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel.' Then the men who had been sent returned to the house and found the servant well." (Luke 7:1-10)


How is it that Matthew says that the centurion saw Jesus and spoke to him and yet Luke says that the centurion did not see Jesus?
There are a few possible explanations on this, you just need to research a little.
I had my own doubts about the Bible for a while because I was agnostic first, before becoming Christian.
I have come to know for myself that all of the Scripture is true.
Internet has been around for a long time and Christianity even longer. There's none of these things that haven't been discussed and explained already.
But to save you time in this particular case, pay attention that Jesus was "not far from the house".
 

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Are you saying that they did see each other and speak to each other?
I am not going to enter futile arguments. Internet is great. Please do your research. No offense meant.