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Mem

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I am speaking of his dual nature. Not, his physical being.

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

Philippians 2:7
Expanded Bible
7 But he ·gave up his place with God and made himself nothing [L emptied himself].
He ·became like [ took the form of] a ·servant [slave; bond servant]
and was born ·as a man [in the likeness of humanity/men].
Philippians 2:8
And ·when he was living [ being found in appearance/likeness] as a ·man [human being], he humbled himself and was fully obedient to God, even ·when that caused his [to the point of] death—death on a cross.
it shouldn't be so hard to understand His dual nature when considering our struggle with the reality of our dual nature as righteous man and sinner. Though it may be argued that He ever struggled with it, He Is, Righteous Man and Lord God.
 

Pilgrimshope

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You will leave your name for my chosen ones to use in their curses;
the Sovereign LORD will put you to death, but to His servants He will give another name.
(Isaiah 65:15)
2 proofs here:

  • it is the LORD who will put the wicked to death
    • it is Jesus Christ who will destroy them with the breath of His mouth and the brighness of His coming, Thessalonians 2:8
    • it is Jesus Christ who will go make war with them with the sword of His mouth, Revelation 2:16
      • → Christ is God
  • it is the LORD who will give His servants a new name
    • see also Isaiah 62:2, a new name "that the mouth of the LORD will bestow"
    • it is Christ who will give His servants a new name, Revelation 2:17
      • → Christ is God


amen good post
 

Nehemiah6

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...If Jesus is 100% man,..100% GOD doesn't that make him half and half
No one should try to understand either the deity of Christ or the Trinity through human logic. So to answer your question 100% + 100% = 200%, not 50%.
 

Dino246

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No one should try to understand either the deity of Christ or the Trinity through human logic. So to answer your question 100% + 100% = 200%, not 50%.
It would have been better for you to stop with the first sentence. The second is incoherent... doubly so.
 

Nehemiah6

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It would have been better for you to stop with the first sentence. The second is incoherent... doubly so.
If this person is going to use percentages, then simple math destroys his argument. It shows the absurdity of that position.
 

Nehemiah6

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Then explain the idea . Jesus is fully God in flesh .. God among the flesh
There is no human or humanistic "explanation" for the deity of Christ. That He is Emmanuel -- God with us. God the Word took human form when He was conceived SUPERNATURALLY in the virgin Mary's womb, by the power of the Holy Ghost. Was this a miracle? Absolutely. Was it necessary? Absolutely.

Unless Jesus of Nazareth was God walking on the earth as sinless Man, there was absolutely no possibility for the penalty for the sins of the whole world to be paid in full. This is the "Mystery of Godliness". That God was manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16).

HEBREWS 10: THE DIVINE NECESSITY FOR THE INCARNATION OF CHRIST
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
 

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There is no human or humanistic "explanation" for the deity of Christ. That He is Emmanuel -- God with us. God the Word took human form when He was conceived SUPERNATURALLY in the virgin Mary's womb, by the power of the Holy Ghost. Was this a miracle? Absolutely. Was it necessary? Absolutely.

Unless Jesus of Nazareth was God walking on the earth as sinless Man, there was absolutely no possibility for the penalty for the sins of the whole world to be paid in full. This is the "Mystery of Godliness". That God was manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16).

HEBREWS 10: THE DIVINE NECESSITY FOR THE INCARNATION OF CHRIST
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And who was the voice that confirm him during his baptism by John the Baptist? God the father or was that the works of man also . . . it was God the father there my friend . .one has to be deaf to miss that .
 

posthuman

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For behold!
I create new heavens and a new earth;
and the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
(Isaiah 65:17)
another proof here:

  • it is the LORD who says He creates new heavenes and a new earth - a new dwelling place
  • it is Christ who says He goes 'to prepare a place for us' ((John 14:2-3))
  • it is Christ by whom all things in heaven and earth are made ((John 1:3, Colossians 1:16))
  • 'The One Seated on The Throne' in Revelation 21:5 restates the declaration in Isaiah 65:16, saying, "I am making all things new!"
    • the throne is the ((singular)) throne 'of God and of the Lamb' ((Revelation 22:3))
      • one throne called the throne of God and the throne of the Lamb
      • God sits on it ((Rev. 7:10)) and the Lamb ((Revelation 7:17))
        • → Christ is God
    • The One Who makes all things new identifies Himself in v. 6 as The Alpha & The Omega, the Beginning and the End
      • vis-a-vis The First and the Last ((Revelation 22:13))
      • this is both the title of the LORD and of Christ ((Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12; Rev. 1:8, 1:17, 22:13-16))
        • in previous posts it has been discussed that this fact alone identifies Christ & YHVH as equivalent
          • → Christ is God
  • therefore it is Christ who creates the new heavens and the new earth;
    • He is equivalently seated on the throne of God, is called by the names of God, is attributed to being the Creator of all things on heaven and on earth, and in particular self-identifies as the One creating a new heaven and a new earth
      • → Christ is God
 

posthuman

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No one should try to understand either the deity of Christ or the Trinity through human logic. So to answer your question 100% + 100% = 200%, not 50%.
just as an off-topic aside, speaking as a mathematician i would say in this case 100% + 100% = 100%
we aren't dealing with ordinary Euclidean algebra here; to do such a calculation we need a very different definition of '+' and a very different measure ((i.e. how to define '='))


God adding humanity to Himself is not like arithemetic '2 apples plus 1 apple = 3 apples' it's more of a topology question, and at that a profound metaphysical one, to which we can't blindly apply numbers. God is infinite by any such crude measures.

so our recently-banned-friend's fallacy was a radically insuffient understanding of mathematics, though i would in a sense agree with Nehemiah6, that it's 'more like' God increased ((in the sense of glory, tho even that is theologically unsound in a way, to say)) than it is like God became less God and 'filled-in' the 'missing bits of God' with mankind.

we should defend His perfect humanity just as much as His perfect deity; this thread however i expressly started for the defense/proof of His deity because i feel like it is the aspect more often under attack these days.
my prayer is as always that it blesses & equips you all for glorifying Him :)


as such i don't really like to engage any of the arguments that take place here. i'll do it in other threads. but this one, i like to just stick to the topic: find His deity proclaimed all over scripture
 

posthuman

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It is written:
'Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only'
(Luke 4:8)
But when He again brings The Firstborn into the world, He says:
Let all the angels of God worship Him.
(Hebrews 1:6)
 

Nehemiah6

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And who was the voice that confirm him during his baptism by John the Baptist? God the father or was that the works of man also . . . it was God the father there my friend . .one has to be deaf to miss that .
Yes. The baptism of Christ is the clearest evidence for the Holy Trinity. And it is significant that for Christian baptism, the Lord said that it must be in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. So the naysayers are wilfully blind and wilfully ignorant.
 

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just as an off-topic aside, speaking as a mathematician i would say in this case 100% + 100% = 100%
we aren't dealing with ordinary Euclidean algebra here; to do such a calculation we need a very different definition of '+' and a very different measure ((i.e. how to define '='))


God adding humanity to Himself is not like arithemetic '2 apples plus 1 apple = 3 apples' it's more of a topology question, and at that a profound metaphysical one, to which we can't blindly apply numbers. God is infinite by any such crude measures.

so our recently-banned-friend's fallacy was a radically insuffient understanding of mathematics, though i would in a sense agree with Nehemiah6, that it's 'more like' God increased ((in the sense of glory, tho even that is theologically unsound in a way, to say)) than it is like God became less God and 'filled-in' the 'missing bits of God' with mankind.

we should defend His perfect humanity just as much as His perfect deity; this thread however i expressly started for the defense/proof of His deity because i feel like it is the aspect more often under attack these days.
my prayer is as always that it blesses & equips you all for glorifying Him :)


as such i don't really like to engage any of the arguments that take place here. i'll do it in other threads. but this one, i like to just stick to the topic: find His deity proclaimed all over scripture
100 x 1 = 100
 

posthuman

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The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked:
who can know it?
(Jeremiah 21:9)
man does not know his own heart

I the LORD search the heart
(Jeremiah 17:9)

O LORD of hosts,
You who test the righteous, see the mind and heart

(Jeremiah 20:12)
God alone knows the hearts of men

immediately Jesus, having known in His spirit that they are reasoning thus within themselves, says to them,
"
Why do you reason these things in your hearts?"
(Mark 2:8)

He knew all, and needed not that any should testify of man:
for He knew what was in man.

(John 2:24-25)
Christ knows the hearts of men

→ Christ is God
 

TMS

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Christ is God ..... He Was 100% God and 100% man,

When He came He left His divinity in Heaven so that He could die and be like us. He connected to the Father to do what He did.
 

posthuman

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The disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.
So Jesus said to them again,
Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.
(John 20:20-21)

how are we sent? the same way He is sent:


Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.
(1 Corinthains 12:27)
as His embodiment, with Him dwelling in us - such that it is not us who wills or works, but God dwelling in us.
no longer us who live, but Christ living in us.
likewise the man Christ Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, in Whom all the fulness of deity dwells.

→ Christ is God