Christ is God

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posthuman

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I don't find your words reflected in the Bible. Or in other words the scriptures.
John 5:39​
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of Me.
Isaiah 8:20​
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this Word, [it is] because [there is] no Light in them.
 
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Show from scripture that Jesus the Messiah is God.

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i'll go first:


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
(John 1:1-5)

The Christ is that Word, who pitched His tent with us, came to His own, but wasn't known by them, who loved me, and gave Himself! He is the Light and the Resurrection and the Life!


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Jesus is the "husband" of God's People, the Church (Eph 5).

God is "husband" to His People--as such, sinners are called "adulteresses" against God (Ja 4).

Therefore, how could Jesus not be God?
 
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Show from scripture that Jesus the Messiah is God.

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i'll go first:


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
(John 1:1-5)

The Christ is that Word, who pitched His tent with us, came to His own, but wasn't known by them, who loved me, and gave Himself! He is the Light and the Resurrection and the Life!


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OK, your turn! Go!!
The Spirit of God in the prophets of old is called the Spirit of Christ.

1 Peter 1
10As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. 12It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things into which angels long to look.
 

williamjordan

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1 Peter 2:3 (cf. Ps. 34:8)
1 Peter 2:8 (cf. Isaiah 8:14 LXX)
1 Peter 3:14-15 (cf. Isaiah 8:12-13 LXX)
 

montana123

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The Bible says Christ is God.

He is God and man.

He is an invisible Spirit that showed a visible image of Himself because that is the only way for a person, or angel, to see God.

That is why the Bible says Jesus dwells in the light that no person can approach unto, and no person has ever seen Him, and no person will ever see Him, because He is an invisible Spirit but He showed a visible image of Himself.

It throws some people off when the Bible says God was manifest in the flesh for they say He is a big Spirit and cannot fit in to a human body.

God manifest in the flesh means that He manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus for He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and it pleased the Father that in Him all fulness shall dwell, and He has the Spirit without measure.

Which is why the Bible says He is the express image of God.

And the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God because He cannot be separated.

Christ does not have His own Spirit that moves around with Him because there cannot be a double portion of the Spirit in one area, and an area where the Spirit is not at.

But He moves through the Spirit and wherever He is at the Spirit is there.

The same with the saints.

The Spirit is Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God, and He moves through the Spirit, so Jesus is an omnipresent Spirit that showed a visible image of Himself.
 
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I really like this Unitarian approach to John 1--it makes more sense--even if I wouldn't agree with Unitarians. Thought it may be of interest.
Right now, I believe the balance of evidence tilts toward Christ being God, but a lot has to be addressed.
 

Nehemiah6

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Right now, I believe the balance of evidence tilts toward Christ being God, but a lot has to be addressed.
No. A lot does NOT have to be address. Once the truth is known (which it is) one either accepts it as truth or rejects it. God's truth says that Jesus is GOD. Jesus -- who is Truth -- says that He is GOD. Period.

The Unitarians are choosing Hell, so you let them alone. Christ told us to let the blind lead the blind into the ditch. We are to leave them alone. Once Christians start dithering about the fundamentals of the faith, the next thing is plain apostasy. But then again you do not have a grasp of one of the key fundamentals -- justification by grace through faith.
 
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No. A lot does NOT have to be address.
It is evident this is your methodology--it's why you have so many loose ends in your views. The issue with that is it is unhelpful to people who notice the loose ends.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Christ and Messiah are equivalent, meaning Anointed (One).
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God was manifest in the flesh

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,

Counsellor,

The mighty God,

The everlasting Father,

The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The son is the fulness of the only God manifest to all people in the form and body of Jesus christ

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why Jesus is so important in the Bible he is the lord

“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God. Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships. I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-12, 14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬
This was Jesus speaking before he came forth and was manifest in the flesh it’s why the gospels constantly identify him in ot prophecy

“I am the LORD” he said this when no one had ever really met him

Then after Jesus came his witnesses

“and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Remember the glory Jesus returned to after he died and rose

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭

When the lord looked down from heaven in the ot and saw man was lost on sin it wasn’t a different lord ot was that he hadn’t yet come forth with salvstion to mankind that’s what Jesus did he is god who came forth in the flesh and showed us salvstion invited us to believe and be saved then returned to the glory of heavens kingdom
 

JaumeJ

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Christ means anointed. Messiah means the Anointed of Yah, (God).
 

Nehemiah6

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Christ means anointed. Messiah means the Anointed of Yah, (God).
That does not change the fact that Jesus is God. His full name and title is "The Lord Jesus Christ". And He cannot be Lord unless He is also God.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. ( 1 Tim 3:16)

Every Greek manuscript with this verse has THEOS (GOD) but only the King James Bible has faithfully translated it. .
 

JaumeJ

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That does not change the fact that Jesus is God. His full name and title is "The Lord Jesus Christ". And He cannot be Lord unless He is also God.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. ( 1 Tim 3:16)

Every Greek manuscript with this verse has THEOS (GOD) but only the King James Bible has faithfully translated it. .
When we consider the meaning of His name, among other texts, we come to understand fully why the Angel declared to Mary that He would be called Yeshua Messiah, for He shall save His people.
Both words of His title contain God's name as given to Moses on the mount. It is not rocket science, all it takes is a little credit to the chosen people to bring the Messiah to all who will accept Him as Who He truly is. Reading all of the Word we discover that the true chosen people are all who come to Jesus Yeshua in spirit and truth.

I could be as adamant as you, but that would reflect upon the truth of the Holy Spirit in what I have shared, ergo, God bless you with humility I pray, amen.
 

Nehemiah6

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I could be as adamant as you, but that would reflect upon the truth of the Holy Spirit in what I have shared, ergo,
What you have shared is only HALF THE TRUTH. Everyone agrees that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah). But only the cults and heretics deny that JESUS IS GOD.
 

gb9

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What you have shared is only HALF THE TRUTH. Everyone agrees that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah). But only the cults and heretics deny that JESUS IS GOD.
when i first joined this site, many years ago, i had never talked to anyone who did not think that Christ was God.

it took me a while to figure that out, very odd how some could come to that place of belief..
 

JaumeJ

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What you have shared is only HALF THE TRUTH. Everyone agrees that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah). But only the cults and heretics deny that JESUS IS GOD.
Are you implying that I have ever said otherwise? You have eyes but do not see it seems. I see you have taught that people not use the Old Testament to establish the New. Have you not read that the law and the prophets point to Jesus The story of the cross is in the Psalms . Zechariah and Isaaiah teach of all time to come and the hereafter. Of course the New Testament is the establishing of the truth of the OT. Apparently you are hung up on human doctrine and intellectual understanding with no regard to the teaching of the Holy Spirit to all, and for all.