Christ kept the Law of Moses, so....
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Absolutely, the ordinances are no longer required, the moral law has not been abolished. The Spirit of the law is righteous living. I see that, as we desire to live our lives according to God's good and holy ways/his moral law, though we will never perfectly obey. But because our lives generally reflect holy living, we are living according to the Spirit of the law. The letter of the law is different. It is beyond mans reach to achieve. ''Thou shalt not''. Perfectly obey it, or you have failed. We all fail in regard to the letter of the law
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As I understand their purpose was to show the righteous standard of GOD, correct?
To reveal to us how impossible in our flesh it is to keep them, from the heart, as Jesus showed by bringing them deep into the heart and making the Law honorable, correct?
To show us our Desperate need for salvation, correct?
and to empower us to Repent and obey, correct?
To reveal to us how impossible in our flesh it is to keep them, from the heart, as Jesus showed by bringing them deep into the heart and making the Law honorable, correct?
To show us our Desperate need for salvation, correct?
and to empower us to Repent and obey, correct?
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ever heard of the "for dummies" series of books a few decades ago?
I have heard the ten commandments called "Gods law for dummies"
its the basics. God said here, i will give you just ten commands. and you can't even keep them. so there should be no ability to even think you are righteous by any means because you can;t evenm keep these ten, when I have hundreds of laws, or commands which if broken, is sin..
I have heard the ten commandments called "Gods law for dummies"
its the basics. God said here, i will give you just ten commands. and you can't even keep them. so there should be no ability to even think you are righteous by any means because you can;t evenm keep these ten, when I have hundreds of laws, or commands which if broken, is sin..
If a christian committed adultery, would they be conscious of sin specifically because they committed adultery?
If so that law is in your heart and mind. To argue against it, is to argue against one of the most basic biblical tenets.
Same goes for stealing, murder, bearing false witness, coveting, taking the Lords name in vain etc
If so that law is in your heart and mind. To argue against it, is to argue against one of the most basic biblical tenets.
Same goes for stealing, murder, bearing false witness, coveting, taking the Lords name in vain etc
I do not think the trouble was ever with the 10 commandments. The Law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul. Ps.19:7
The problem is with man's heart. This is why Jesus brought the Law deeper, into the thoughts and intents of the heart. He never disannulled the Law, He magnified it and made it Honorable.
If we find that we cannot keep the 10 commandments I would say that there needs to be a reevaluation of the True Gospel and a Fresh pursuing of God to be sure there has been True Salvation.
"For this is the love of GOD, that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous." 1John 5:3
The problem is with man's heart. This is why Jesus brought the Law deeper, into the thoughts and intents of the heart. He never disannulled the Law, He magnified it and made it Honorable.
If we find that we cannot keep the 10 commandments I would say that there needs to be a reevaluation of the True Gospel and a Fresh pursuing of God to be sure there has been True Salvation.
"For this is the love of GOD, that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous." 1John 5:3
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Is it that easy to obey fully the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break? The ten commandments covers that law. In rom ch7:7-11 Paul gave an example from his own personal life as to why he had to die to the law.; He had 613 laws to choose from, he chose ''Thou shalt not covet'' one of the ten commandments. The reason he chose that one? Because it related to what goes on, on the inside of man, the law only you and God need know you break. I do not believe anyone on this earth fully obeys that law. Hence, Paul stated to born again christians, in the present tense, the letter of the ten commandments kills, it is the ministry of death and condemnation. Therefore no one fully obeys the letter of the ten commandments
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I agree, it was not in the ten, it was with us, which was ther point. and why they were given
Amen, as a schoomastyer to lead us to conversion, it is perfect in this..
if you think you can keep the commands, you have done something only Christ has done
I would recommend you stop trying to look to rules. and turn to seeking after the things of God. and obeying the law of love, against which there is no law
Amen, as a schoomastyer to lead us to conversion, it is perfect in this..
if you think you can keep the commands, you have done something only Christ has done
I would recommend you stop trying to look to rules. and turn to seeking after the things of God. and obeying the law of love, against which there is no law
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When I entered my first debating website, I went around telling everyone the entire law got abolished. A man I used to argue with a lot-I mean debated with a lot, told me it was heretical to believe such a thing. You would think I would just have dismissed his comment, as lets face it, how often do we change our minds on these websites? But I didn't. I went away and thought about it hard. And, I came to see the man was right. God did not have to abolish the entire law to end righteousness of obeying the law, he only needed to send Jesus to die for our transgressions of the law. The core foundation upon which the new covenant stands puts it very well:
This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”
Heb10:15-18
This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”
Heb10:15-18
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I understand what you are saying... My point is that many Christians today are casting off the 10 Commandments as though they are not relevant since Jesus came and then there is the world going after the 10 Commandments to get them out of society, government, schools, and judicial buildings.
It amazes me that Christians are not aware how relevant the 10 Commandments have been in the world in the last 2,000 years and that there has been a war against them in these last days. Why?
I believe it is part of the Great Falling Away. There is no real standard anymore. You can hardly disciple people anymore. Every man does what is right in his own eyes and resists sound doctrine saying that it doesn't apply to us in the New Covenant.
This is my experience. I see so much schism everywhere.
I am not advocating that we are justified by keeping the Law. Only that it is the standard GOD has given us, whereby we must repent of our disobedience and disregard of Him and His standard.
And I agree with the Word that if our heart is right with GOD His standards are not grievous, especially given that we now have His Holy Spirit to help, lead, and empower us.
It amazes me that Christians are not aware how relevant the 10 Commandments have been in the world in the last 2,000 years and that there has been a war against them in these last days. Why?
I believe it is part of the Great Falling Away. There is no real standard anymore. You can hardly disciple people anymore. Every man does what is right in his own eyes and resists sound doctrine saying that it doesn't apply to us in the New Covenant.
This is my experience. I see so much schism everywhere.
I am not advocating that we are justified by keeping the Law. Only that it is the standard GOD has given us, whereby we must repent of our disobedience and disregard of Him and His standard.
And I agree with the Word that if our heart is right with GOD His standards are not grievous, especially given that we now have His Holy Spirit to help, lead, and empower us.
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I understand that we cannot please GOD and perfectly keep the 10 Commandments without GOD's grace and the Helper, the Holy Spirit.
I notice that there is often an automatic assumption that someone seeks to "keep a set of rules" when the subject of the 10 Commandments come up.
This is not my point at all. I am concerned with the laying aside of the 10 Commandments as though they are not relevant to us when Jesus and Paul never said any such thing.
Jesus even says that those that teach and do the commands will be considered great in the Kingdom of GOD. Matt 5:17-19.
I have shared all that I believe on this subject and would hope that you would exercise forbearance and nobility to consider in context the scriptures I have shared in this thread to rightly understand where I am coming from apart from your own presupposition.
Please use the Scripture to show me my error. The Word of GOD is quick and powerful and able to divide asunder soul and spirit.
I notice that there is often an automatic assumption that someone seeks to "keep a set of rules" when the subject of the 10 Commandments come up.
This is not my point at all. I am concerned with the laying aside of the 10 Commandments as though they are not relevant to us when Jesus and Paul never said any such thing.
Jesus even says that those that teach and do the commands will be considered great in the Kingdom of GOD. Matt 5:17-19.
I have shared all that I believe on this subject and would hope that you would exercise forbearance and nobility to consider in context the scriptures I have shared in this thread to rightly understand where I am coming from apart from your own presupposition.
Please use the Scripture to show me my error. The Word of GOD is quick and powerful and able to divide asunder soul and spirit.
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Correct, as they are Very Relevant When used, as God Has Taught us, who
are Under Grace:
1Ti_1:8 "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully" How?:
1Ti_1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners,
for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of
mothers, for manslayers" Why?:
Gal_3:24-25 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us
unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith
is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Thus, in the Simplicity of Christ, He Also Teaches us, Under Grace, we Actually:
Fulfill All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love thy neighbor as thyself!"
(Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)
Amen.
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
+
RICH Blessings!
are Under Grace:
1Ti_1:8 "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully" How?:
1Ti_1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners,
for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of
mothers, for manslayers" Why?:
Gal_3:24-25 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us
unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith
is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Thus, in the Simplicity of Christ, He Also Teaches us, Under Grace, we Actually:
Fulfill All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love thy neighbor as thyself!"
(Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)
Amen.
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
+
RICH Blessings!
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I do understand so much of what you are saying. And thank you for the post. But in my view, and I don't at all want to be offensive, I cannot understand why christians tell other christians they should or must obey the ten commandments. Under the new covenant, applicable law is written in the mind and placed on the heart of every believer. That is one off the two cornerstones on which the new covenant stands. Surely, what is in your mind, you in your mind must know, and what is in your heart, you in your heart want to follow. In my view, it is impossible for any truly born again christian to ignore the fact God does not want them to steal, commit adultery, murder, bear false witness, covet, take the Lords name in vain. I can only speak from personal experience. But that knowledge is with me day and night. It is in my heart and mind, I cannot escape from it, it is part of who I now am.
When I first joined internet debating websites, people were debating the ten commandments. To be honest I could not remember what all of them were. So I read up on them, a refresher course if you like for the purpose of debate. The thing that hit me was, I already, in my heart and mind knew that was how I should live and wanted to live in God's sight. I'm afraid to me, it seems very old covenant to tell christians they should or must obey the ten commandments. I know my twelve times tables, they are in my mind. It would seem a pointless exercise for anyone to tell me I needed to read them again and apply them. Anyway, that's just my view from my own personal experience
When I first joined internet debating websites, people were debating the ten commandments. To be honest I could not remember what all of them were. So I read up on them, a refresher course if you like for the purpose of debate. The thing that hit me was, I already, in my heart and mind knew that was how I should live and wanted to live in God's sight. I'm afraid to me, it seems very old covenant to tell christians they should or must obey the ten commandments. I know my twelve times tables, they are in my mind. It would seem a pointless exercise for anyone to tell me I needed to read them again and apply them. Anyway, that's just my view from my own personal experience
My point is that now that we are forgiven for transgressions that are past, Romans 3:25, not now free to continue to transgress.
The Law is not there for the man that is, by nature, keeping the righteousness of the Law.
But, if a man is not keeping the righteousness of the Law, as a believer, the Law is to be used lawfully.
It is also to be used for doctrine and instruction (1Tim 3:16). If a man is disobeying (1Tim 1:9) the Law of GOD we can reprove and correct (1Tim. 3:16) such a one with the Law, or Word (and prayer of course).
This is my point and I believe that if you read the scriptures I have shared you will better understand my point. If you find my understanding in error, please use the Word, in context, to correct me.
The Law is not there for the man that is, by nature, keeping the righteousness of the Law.
But, if a man is not keeping the righteousness of the Law, as a believer, the Law is to be used lawfully.
It is also to be used for doctrine and instruction (1Tim 3:16). If a man is disobeying (1Tim 1:9) the Law of GOD we can reprove and correct (1Tim. 3:16) such a one with the Law, or Word (and prayer of course).
This is my point and I believe that if you read the scriptures I have shared you will better understand my point. If you find my understanding in error, please use the Word, in context, to correct me.
probably the same as what happened in corinth
1 Corinthians 5:1
Immorality Defiles the Church
It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife!
1 Corinthians 5:1
Immorality Defiles the Church
It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife!
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