CHRIST THE CHOSEN ONE, THE ELECT OF THE FATHER
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Mostly where our differences comes from, is that we see the capabilities of the carnal man as described in 1 Cor 2:14. You say that he can understand the milk of the word, just not the deep things of the word, and I say that he cannot understand "THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT". "the things, covers everything, even the milk of the word.
You are describing the newborn babes in Christ, that cannot digest the meet of the word.(1 Cor 1-2)
The carnal mind of the, unregenerate, is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.(Rom 8:7)
That is because you are misinterpreting way too many scriptures, with your endeiver to have the carnal, unregenerate man believe in spiritual things, when 1 Cor 2:14, plainly says that he cannot discern them, and you say that I am the one that cannot understand the english language.
About John 3:16, I used to have, seemingly, contradicting scriptures, but come to understand, by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, that there are no scriptures that contradict each other. If you think that they do, then you are not understanding the truth. Here is one for you; Your interpretation of these two scriptures contradict. Why would God say that he so loves the world of mankind, and then states in James 4:4, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore shall be a friend of the world is an enemy of God.
Yes I am aware that death sometimes refers to a loss of fellowship with God.
I guess you do not pay much attention to my posts. I have told you that death sometimes means a separation from God's fellowship, and not a literal death.
So, lets rehash 2 Pet 3:9 again. To understand who Peter is speaking to we have to go back to 2 Pet 1:1 to find out that Peter is speaking to, and it is not to the unregenerate people, but to them that have obtained like precious faith, and in verse 3, as he has given us all things that pertain unto life and goodness through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue.
Peter is warning them that when they commit a sin, they are to repent in order to not (perish=death=separation) separate themselves from their fellowship with God. Peter even includes himself in the warning by using the word "us-ward".
About John 3:16, I used to have, seemingly, contradicting scriptures, but come to understand, by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, that there are no scriptures that contradict each other. If you think that they do, then you are not understanding the truth. Here is one for you; Your interpretation of these two scriptures contradict. Why would God say that he so loves the world of mankind, and then states in James 4:4, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore shall be a friend of the world is an enemy of God.
Yes I am aware that death sometimes refers to a loss of fellowship with God.
I guess you do not pay much attention to my posts. I have told you that death sometimes means a separation from God's fellowship, and not a literal death.
So, lets rehash 2 Pet 3:9 again. To understand who Peter is speaking to we have to go back to 2 Pet 1:1 to find out that Peter is speaking to, and it is not to the unregenerate people, but to them that have obtained like precious faith, and in verse 3, as he has given us all things that pertain unto life and goodness through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue.
Peter is warning them that when they commit a sin, they are to repent in order to not (perish=death=separation) separate themselves from their fellowship with God. Peter even includes himself in the warning by using the word "us-ward".
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I highly recommend that you finally get to the the last chapter of Matthew. There, you'll see how inaccurate your comment is.
Matt 28:19,20
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
I am available for apologies between the hours of 11am to 1pm some days.
Matt 28:19,20
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
I am available for apologies between the hours of 11am to 1pm some days.
The lost sheep are out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation (rev 6:9)
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Your statements are just plain weird. No one makes God do anything by their belief. And that isn't even the point, so why do you keep obsessing on it?
1 Cor 1:21 says that "God is pleased...to save those who believe". That should resolve your weird thinking about what man's belief does.
It does nothing. God does everything. WHEN man believes, God's plan (which you will deny) is to save the believer. And He does.
And there is NOTHING that man can do that would "make" or "force" God to do anything.
But I suspect that calvinists think that non calvinists DO think that their belief "makes" God do things.
You have NO basis for such a fantasy.
We non calvinists already know that. No one thinks they they are saving themselves, justifiying themselves or making God do all that on the basis of their belief.
What we KNOW is that God does all these things because it pleases Him to do them. 1 Cor 1:21
It is really a shame that you aren't able to understand the beauty of 1 Cor 1:21.
1 Cor 1:21 says that "God is pleased...to save those who believe". That should resolve your weird thinking about what man's belief does.
It does nothing. God does everything. WHEN man believes, God's plan (which you will deny) is to save the believer. And He does.
And there is NOTHING that man can do that would "make" or "force" God to do anything.
But I suspect that calvinists think that non calvinists DO think that their belief "makes" God do things.
You have NO basis for such a fantasy.
We non calvinists already know that. No one thinks they they are saving themselves, justifiying themselves or making God do all that on the basis of their belief.
What we KNOW is that God does all these things because it pleases Him to do them. 1 Cor 1:21
It is really a shame that you aren't able to understand the beauty of 1 Cor 1:21.
You're doding again. This is what I asked:
FreeGrace2 said:
Please show from that text where God changes the heart so he can believe. Or any other text. No limits.
Do you, or don't you, have any verses that says that God changes the heart so man can believe? Calvinists certainly believe that idea. So where's the verse that teaches that idea?
Or, from WHOM did you learn that idea from? If you can't find a verse, where did the idea come from?
I KNOW unbelievers can do that. I've read their articles in magazines in the "religion" section. They are able to accurately explain the gospel yet they don't believe it. So don't tell me what unbelievers can't understand.
And, you cannot refute my belief that the gospel is a trust issue. Of course it is. Trust means faith. But go ahead and try to refute it.
Well, we're in agreement here, although you don't understand why. The "things of the Spirit" relate to the "deep things of God", and NOT the gospel.
Are you aware that believers can function from their sinful human nature and have a carnal mind? What Paul wrote was directly to believers.
FreeGrace2 said:
Please show from that text where God changes the heart so he can believe. Or any other text. No limits.
Do you, or don't you, have any verses that says that God changes the heart so man can believe? Calvinists certainly believe that idea. So where's the verse that teaches that idea?
Or, from WHOM did you learn that idea from? If you can't find a verse, where did the idea come from?
I KNOW unbelievers can do that. I've read their articles in magazines in the "religion" section. They are able to accurately explain the gospel yet they don't believe it. So don't tell me what unbelievers can't understand.
And, you cannot refute my belief that the gospel is a trust issue. Of course it is. Trust means faith. But go ahead and try to refute it.
Well, we're in agreement here, although you don't understand why. The "things of the Spirit" relate to the "deep things of God", and NOT the gospel.
Are you aware that believers can function from their sinful human nature and have a carnal mind? What Paul wrote was directly to believers.
I KNOW for a fact that unbelievers CAN and DO understand the gospel promise of eternal life on the basis of believing in Jesus Christ, and yet not believe it themselves. I can't help your naivety. But there are many unbelievers who can and do understand the gospel.
This refers to doctrines such as spiritual growth, etc.
Because you claim that my posts aren't clear. When they ARE. But you see everything through those heavily tinted calvinist spectacles.
I probably mention MORE than any other poster on these threads that the Bible NEVER contradicts itself. So you don't need to preach to me about that. I do wonder WHY you EVER even had such a thought as there being verses that contradict each other.
Are you really not aware of this verse?
Matt 5:44 - but I say unto you, Love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you.
Believers are commanded to love their enemies. Do you think God would do any less than He commands His children?
Of course. What makes you think I think Peter was speaking to unsaved people?
Good. It seems there aren't very many believers who understand that.
This refers to doctrines such as spiritual growth, etc.
Because you claim that my posts aren't clear. When they ARE. But you see everything through those heavily tinted calvinist spectacles.
I probably mention MORE than any other poster on these threads that the Bible NEVER contradicts itself. So you don't need to preach to me about that. I do wonder WHY you EVER even had such a thought as there being verses that contradict each other.
Are you really not aware of this verse?
Matt 5:44 - but I say unto you, Love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you.
Believers are commanded to love their enemies. Do you think God would do any less than He commands His children?
Of course. What makes you think I think Peter was speaking to unsaved people?
Good. It seems there aren't very many believers who understand that.
What you fail to understand is that the unregenerate person only has one personality, and that personality is of the fleshly man. Paul tells us that when the unregenerate person is quickened that he now has two personalities, the flesh warring against the Spirit. Yes, born again believers do, at times, act as though they are still carnal, but they do not lose their eternal inheritance.