Christ was tempted LIKE as we are, but He never desired or was tempted to do evil.

[Jason0047]

Hebrews 4:15


New International Version
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin.

New Living Translation
This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do, yet he did not sin.

English Standard Version
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

New American Standard Bible
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

King James Bible
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tested in every way as we are, yet without sin.

Thank you. You just proved my point with these Modern Translations.

New Living Translation
This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do, yet he did not sin.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tested in every way as we are, yet without sin.

In other words to be "tested" by something does not mean one is being tempted by evil. I can take a math test, but that does not mean my Math teacher is tempting me with him giving me the Math test. To put it to you another way, tests are usually external. Jesus was tested externally by sinful situations but he never gave into them because He does not have the capacity to sin. For Hebrews 7:26 says Jesus is Holy, undefiled, and SEPARATE from sinners. Do you believe that?

Well, I would rather face Jesus thinking and saying about all the good He does. But I mean, hey, look. If you enjoy saying Jesus can potentially do evil, knock yourself out. I don't think of Jesus as bad, but I think of Jesus as good with no capacity to do no wrong (Which is what the Bible teaches).

 

[kennethcadwell]

Thank you. You just proved my point with these Modern Translations.

New Living Translation
This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do, yet he did not sin.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tested in every way as we are, yet without sin.

In other words to be "tested" by something does not mean one is being tempted by evil. I can take a math test, but that does not mean my Math teacher is tempting me with him giving me the Math test. To put it to you another way, tests are usually external. Jesus was tested externally by sinful situations but he never gave into them because He does not have the capacity to sin. For Hebrews 7:26 says Jesus is Holy, undefiled, and SEPARATE from sinners. Do you believe that?

Well, I would rather face Jesus thinking and saying about all the good He does. But I mean, hey, look. If you enjoy saying Jesus can potentially do evil, knock yourself out. I don't think of Jesus as bad, but I think of Jesus as good with no capacity to do no wrong (Which is what the Bible teaches).

I like how you want to pick and choose the ones that fit your understanding. For the others make it clear He was tempted just as we are tempted. Just because some of those translations change the word tempted to tested does not change the meaning unless you make it.
He came in the flesh to go through all the temptations that we deal with every day, so that we know we have a Lord and High Priest that knows exactly how we feel in what we are going through. He was put in the same position we are in, and like the scriptures said came and made Himself lower than the angels.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Jesus was studying God's Laws within the Scriptures which guided Him in refusing the evil and choosing the good just as God the Father naturally refuses the evil and chooses the good. For Jesus only does what He sees His Father doing. Jesus is one with the Father. Jesus could not consider in doing evil, because it would be against being one with the Father who is Holy.

If one considers in doing evil, they are not good, but they are bad.

Jesus was always pure in His thoughts.

Why? Because Jesus is good; For He is the Good Shepherd.

And we are one with the Father and with Jesus Christ. - Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. . . . I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect I one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. - Yes, we are sinful from the beginning because of our sinful flesh - that sinful flesh is passed through MAN. Jesus Christ was born of the seed of the woman and the Holy Spirit - he was perfect - as was Adam perfect from the beginning. One thing differentiated them - Adam sinned; Jesus didn't.

Jesus was one with the Father but had a will of his own. . . . My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. . . . He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. . . . And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Matt. 26:38,39,42,44

And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup form me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Luke 22:-44

Three times he prayed for this "cup" to pass - Do you not see Jesus as an example? Do you not see that even knowing from OT scriptures everything concerning himself - that he had feelings, he did not want to die - even knowing that he would be raised to his Father? Do you not see his heart? In every way Jesus was made like unto his brethren.

 

[Jason0047]

From: http://members.naspa.net/ez1/Butter%...me1Source1.htm

My point would be - Jesus studied the OT scriptures - which is what enabled him to refuse evil and choose the good. In order to refuse something one has to be presented with something to refuse - So if he refused evil - he was presented with evil and to choose good he was presented with good. That is a choice no matter how you look at it. We also are to study scripture so that when presented with evil or good - we can know to refuse the evil and choose the good and Jesus Christ is our example in that he always chose the good.

Adam was created perfectly - to be a perfect man. He was given only one commandment which he failed. It wasn't the "sin" that caused Adam to KNOW good and evil; it was eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that caused Adam to KNOW that he had sinned.

And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. - Jesus Christ

Yes, Jesus as a child had the Spirit of Knowledge placed upon Him and yes...Jesus as a child grew in wisdom. This was because Jesus was a like figure of Adam (Who was also limited in knowledge); For Adam was a figure (type) of the one who is to come, which is Jesus Christ (Romans 5:14). However, the difference was that Jesus was the Lord from Heaven, whereas Adam was made a living soul (1 Corinthians 15:45, 47).

Jesus grew in knowledge because Christ took upon him the form of a serveant, and was made in the LIKENESS of men. To be made in the LIKENESS of men, means that Jesus had to be LIKE a man and be limited in knowledge. So without sacrificing His deity, He would have made it possible for His divine attribute of Omniscience (i.e. To have all knowledge as God) to be restricted or suppressed (i.e. not stolen or taken away from Him). For Jesus is still one with the Trinity or the Godhead. So if Jesus lost His powers, then that would mean there would have been a disability within the Godhead. Meaning, God would no longer be perfectly power in His entirety (Which is not possible). Jesus still had power. But He merely had His divine attribute of Omniscience suppressed and He relied upon the Father in what to say and do; And He allowed the Father to do great miracles thru Him; And He allowed the Holy Spirit to be annointed upon Him (Even though Jesus is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit). For they are all one God (Who exist as separate and distinct persons).

For just as Samson was blinded and did not have certain knowledge by no longer having his eye sight, Jesus Christ was blinded in having certain knowledge so as to be like a man. However, the key difference here is that Jesus is God and He is the One who gave sight to the blind. For we know Jesus never gave up His power as God but He merely suppressed His divine attribute of Omniscience. For Jesus said He would raise up his own body (the temple). Jesus said he had power to give life as the Father can give life. Jesus had power because He said where two or more are gathered in my name, there I am among them. Jesus had power because He could forgive sins (Which was an exclusive ability of God) and He could give eternal life.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Thank you. You just proved my point with these Modern Translations.

New Living Translation
This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do, yet he did not sin.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tested in every way as we are, yet without sin.

In other words to be "tested" by something does not mean one is being tempted by evil. I can take a math test, but that does not mean my Math teacher is tempting me with him giving me the Math test. To put it to you another way, tests are usually external. Jesus was tested externally by sinful situations but he never gave into them because He does not have the capacity to sin. For Hebrews 7:26 says Jesus is Holy, undefiled, and SEPARATE from sinners. Do you believe that?

Jesus was not "tested" in math, nor English nor any other "subject" and it is really ignorant to compare Jesus being yet without sin to some written test. He was tested with good and evil - He CHOSE to do good; i.e. he refused evil and chose good. One who has been "tested" in EVERY WAY as we are YET was without sin - It means he did not succumb to the "test", i.e. the temptation. He is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners BECAUSE he held himself to a HIGH standard of submitting himself to the Father.

Well, I would rather face Jesus thinking and saying about all the good He does. But I mean, hey, look. If you enjoy saying Jesus can potentially do evil, knock yourself out. I don't think of Jesus as bad, but I think of Jesus as good with no capacity to do no wrong (Which is what the Bible teaches).

The Bible teaches - he was 'tested' in EVERY WAY - Yet without sin - he had the capacity to sin but he REMAINED sinless - He yielded himself to the will of the Father - He could have chose NOT to yield himself. No one thinks of Jesus as bad . . . .
He is our Lord and Savior - and although he could have succumbed to 'sin' he always did the will of the Father - Just as we should yield ourselves to do the will of the Father - that is how he has set the example . . . to live as He did is our goal.

 

[Jason0047]

I like how you want to pick and choose the ones that fit your understanding. For the others make it clear He was tempted just as we are tempted. Just because some of those translations change the word tempted to tested does not change the meaning unless you make it.
He came in the flesh to go through all the temptations that we deal with every day, so that we know we have a Lord and High Priest that knows exactly how we feel in what we are going through. He was put in the same position we are in, and like the scriptures said came and made Himself lower than the angels.

You are not really thinking about the core problem of the issue of your belief here. Everything has an origin. Trace that origin. Exactly what is making Jesus to have the potential to sin? Is it a carnal sin nature? What kind of dark thing would exist in Jesus for Him to potentially do evil? Is it being imperfect like Adam? For if you are proposing He was just like Adam with no sin nature yet (Who was created good), you have to ask yourself was Adam created Holy and perfect? I would say no. Adam was not created holy and perfect because He sinned. Whereas Jesus said He came down from Heaven. Whereas Paul says He is the Lord from Heaven. Whereas the writers of Hebrews says He is Holy, undefiled, and separate from sinners. So that means he is not in any way like us sinners. But you want it to say that he is like us sinners. But that is not what the Bible says, my friend.

 

[Jason0047]

And we are one with the Father and with Jesus Christ. - Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. . . . I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect I one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. - Yes, we are sinful from the beginning because of our sinful flesh - that sinful flesh is passed through MAN. Jesus Christ was born of the seed of the woman and the Holy Spirit - he was perfect - as was Adam perfect from the beginning. One thing differentiated them - Adam sinned; Jesus didn't.

Jesus was one with the Father but had a will of his own. . . . My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. . . . He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. . . . And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Matt. 26:38,39,42,44

And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup form me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Luke 22:-44

Three times he prayed for this "cup" to pass - Do you not see Jesus as an example? Do you not see that even knowing from OT scriptures everything concerning himself - that he had feelings, he did not want to die - even knowing that he would be raised to his Father? Do you not see his heart? In every way Jesus was made like unto his brethren.

Well, not sure what you mean here, but we are not one with the Father and the Son if we continue to sin and refuse to repent after having accepted Jesus Christ. Man is always bound to slip up on his own. That is why man needs a Savior named Jesus Christ who was God Almighty in the flesh (Whereby we confess our sins to Him so as to be cleansed of all unrighteousness) who was not capable of doing any sin (Like man is capable of doing sin).

As for the pass of the cup. I have already discussed that point already within this thread many many times. Please go back into the thread and read what I have written on this point. My thoughts on this point, still stand.

 

[Jason0047]

Jesus was not "tested" in math, nor English nor any other "subject" and it is really ignorant to compare Jesus being yet without sin to some written test. He was tested with good and evil - He CHOSE to do good; i.e. he refused evil and chose good. One who has been "tested" in EVERY WAY as we are YET was without sin - It means he did not succumb to the "test", i.e. the temptation. He is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners BECAUSE he held himself to a HIGH standard of submitting himself to the Father.

The Bible teaches - he was 'tested' in EVERY WAY - Yet without sin - he had the capacity to sin but he REMAINED sinless - He yielded himself to the will of the Father - He could have chose NOT to yield himself. No one thinks of Jesus as bad . . . .
He is our Lord and Savior - and although he could have succumbed to 'sin' he always did the will of the Father - Just as we should yield ourselves to do the will of the Father - that is how he has set the example . . . to live as He did is our goal.

Yes, this is true. Jesus was not tested in Math. I never said that. What I am saying that the language of the text is using the word "test" here and not "tempted." Which changes the meaning of how we read these passages. Tests are usually external. Yes, the test involved a testing of Jesus' Holy character. But Jesus passed those tests with flying colors, not because He got "Lucky" but because of WHO JESUS IS; For Jesus is God. Please do not sacrifice his deity in favor of his humanity. Jesus is good and He would never consider in doing evill.

Also, you say Jesus had the capacity to sin. Please I just want one verse that actually says that clearly. Isaiah 7:15 is talking about how Jesus gained the same knowledge that God the Father has in refusing the evil and choosing the good. God does this naturally. It does not say.... And Jesus Christ struggled with evil and He refused the evil and chose the good. Also, Hebrews 4:15 is talking about testing. Tests are external.

 

[Jason0047]

See, I don't take a scapel and cut of God from Jesus and say He has the capacity to do evil. Either Jesus is 100% God or He is not. The choice is yours. I believe God is good and Hoy and incapable of sin. I believe Jesus is God. It's simple. Don't complicate it.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Well, not sure what you mean here, but we are not one with the Father and the Son if we continue to sin and refuse to repent after having accepted Jesus Christ. Man is always bound to slip up on his own. That is why man needs a Savior named Jesus Christ who was God Almighty in the flesh who was not capable of doing any sin (Like man is capable of doing sin).

If we are born again - then John 17 - That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us; - is fulfilled. Colossians 1:27 - Christ in you the hope of glory! - 2 Cor. 5:19 To wit God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself - Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit if so b that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

God in Christ dwells in each born again believer by the new birth - John 17 - says nothing about IF we are not sinning. God knows we are going to mess up for WE ARE BORN of sinful nature - Jesus was not born of a sinful nature neither was Adam BUT Adam sinned and in that manner Jesus could have sinned also. Remember - there is a choice - to refuse evil and choose good. Jesus, unlike Adam, chose to do good; he chose to do the Father's will. That is what scripture says.

 

[Jason0047]

If we are born again - then John 17 - That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us; - is fulfilled. Colossians 1:27 - Christ in you the hope of glory! - 2 Cor. 5:19 To wit God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself - Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit if so b that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

God in Christ dwells in each born again believer by the new birth - John 17 - says nothing about IF we are not sinning. God knows we are going to mess up for WE ARE BORN of sinful nature - Jesus was not born of a sinful nature neither was Adam BUT Adam sinned and in that manner Jesus could have sinned also. Remember - there is a choice - to refuse evil and choose good. Jesus, unlike Adam, chose to do good; he chose to do the Father's will. That is what scripture says.

Once Saved Always Saved is another topic of discussion. I believe it is pure evil in it's highest form (Just as saying that God can do potentially do evil or wrong in some way). I mean think about it. Why even bother to follow God if you can just do the same things you did when you were an unbeliever? Paul warns us believers that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom. Paul says those who do such things as murder, hate, adultery, theft, drunkenness will not inherit the kingdom of God. Paul actually says these words with... "Do not be deceived." Are you being deceived into thinking contrary to what he said on those sins that will cause a person to not inherit the Kingdom of God?

God does not dwell with sin, or with people who think and or consider evil. He never has, and never will.

Which is at the heart of the answer of this thread, too.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Yes, this is true. Jesus was not tested in Math. I never said that. What I am saying that the language of the text is using the word "test" here and not "tempted." Which changes the meaning of how we read these passages. Tests are usually external. Yes, the test involved a testing of Jesus' Holy character. But Jesus passed those tests with flying colors, not because He got "Lucky" but because of WHO JESUS IS; For Jesus is God. Please do not sacrifice his deity in favor of his humanity. Jesus is good and He would never consider in doing evill.

Also, you say Jesus had the capacity to sin. Please I just want one verse that actually says that clearly. Isaiah 7:15 is talking about how Jesus gained the same knowledge that God the Father has in refusing the evil and choosing the good. God does this naturally. It does not say.... And Jesus Christ struggled with evil and He refused the evil and chose the good. Also, Hebrews 4:15 is talking about testing. Tests are external.

No, Isaiah 7:15 says: Butter and honey - the Word - he will eat - why? - so that he may KNOW TO REFUSE evil and CHOOSE the good. No matter how YOU "CHOOSE" TO LOOK AT IT that is what the verse is saying. That verse sets up specific choices - Refuse evil or choose to do good. (BTW - you may want to go back and reread your post on that verse.) Why would he have to KNOW TO REFUSE evil and CHOOSE good if it was not possible in the first place for him to have an opportunity to choose evil? If I am never given something - why do I need to know how to refuse it? Isaiah does not say that 'he gained the same knowledge as the Father' - now you are reading something into that verse that is not there.

TESTS ARE EXTERNAL - Where in the world do you think temptations to sin come from?

 

[Jason0047]

See, I don't take a scapel and cut of God from Jesus and say He has the capacity to do evil. Either Jesus is 100% God or He is not. The choice is yours. I believe God is good and Hoy and incapable of sin. I believe Jesus is God. It's simple. Don't complicate it.

Edit Correction:

I meant to say, "... take a scapel and cut out God from Jesus...."

 

[Jason0047]

No, Isaiah 7:15 says: Butter and honey - the Word - he will eat - why? - so that he may KNOW TO REFUSE evil and CHOOSE the good. No matter how YOU "CHOOSE" TO LOOK AT IT that is what the verse is saying. That verse sets up specific choices - Refuse evil or choose to do good. (BTW - you may want to go back and reread your post on that verse.) Why would he have to KNOW TO REFUSE evil and CHOOSE good if it was not possible in the first place for him to have an opportunity to choose evil? If I am never given something - why do I need to know how to refuse it? Isaiah does not say that 'he gained the same knowledge as the Father' - now you are reading something into that verse that is not there.TESTS ARE EXTERNAL - Where in the world do you think temptations to sin come from?

First, of all. Did you even know butter and honey was the Word before I mentioned it? Second, you are inserting a presupposition of "Free will" into the text where no such expression exists. Isaiah 7:15 in spiritual terms is saying He is consuming the Word. What is teaching Him? Trail and error and life situations? No. The Word of God is teaching Him. He is studying. He is not getting his hand caught in the cookie jar like us. He is not considering evil here and then refusing it. The text does not say that. He is studying God's Word and gaining knowledge of good and evil. That is what thiis passage is saying.

A Holy God can refuse evil and choose good.

That doesn't mean God has the capacity to do evil.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Once Saved Always Saved is another topic of discussion. I believe it is pure evil in it's highest form (Just as saying that God can do potentially do evil or wrong in some way). I mean think about it. Why even bother to follow God if you can just do the same things you did when you were an unbeliever? Paul warns us believers that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom. Paul says those who do such things as murder, hate, adultery, theft, drunkenness will not inherit the kingdom of God. Paul actually says these words with... "Do not be deceived." Are you being deceived into thinking contrary to what he said on those sins that will cause a person to not inherit the Kingdom of God?

God does not dwell with sin, or with people who think and or consider evil. He never has, and never will.

Which is at the heart of the answer of this thread, too.

Changing the subject? You said you did not believe John 17 said that we are one with the Father and the Son [because of sin] - I just quoted where it says we are one with the Father and the Son to all that believe. I can't help it if you do not believe that BORN = BORN - a birth - That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. I never said that I could continue in the things I did when I was an unbeliever . . . WOW . . . I was saying how God in Christ dwells in us fulfilling John 17.

Now you want to turn things around, i.e. the subject which is Christ was tempted LIKE as we are. . . . and I will just stick with that subject, thank you very much!

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted [tested] like as we are, yet without sin. Hebrews 4:15

Just read it simply and plainly . . . I will believe the word of God. DONE . . . .

 

[Jason0047]

TESTS ARE EXTERNAL - Where in the world do you think temptations to sin come from?

It is "Test" and not "Temptation." You are reverting back to the original word of "temptation." Jesus was tested by the devil and by sinful people with their sinful ways. Jesus did not give in because He does not have the capacity to sin because He is God. Well, unless of course you don't believe He is God, then I can see how you might believe He had the capacity to sin.

 

[Jason0047]

Changing the subject? You said you did not believe John 17 said that we are one with the Father and the Son [because of sin] - I just quoted where it says we are one with the Father and the Son to all that believe. I can't help it if you do not believe that BORN = BORN - a birth - That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. I never said that I could continue in the things I did when I was an unbeliever . . . WOW . . . I was saying how God in Christ dwells in us fulfilling John 17.

Now you want to turn things around, i.e. the subject which is Christ was tempted LIKE as we are. . . . and I will just stick with that subject, thank you very much!

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted [tested] like as we are, yet without sin. Hebrews 4:15

Just read it simply and plainly . . . I will believe the word of God. DONE . . . .

Believe also involves repentance (i.e. confession of sin). Jesus started his ministry with the words repent for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand. If there is no repentance (or acknowledgment of their sin to the Lord) when a person came to the faith, then they are not forgiven. For can a husband cheat on his wife and then expect to have any hope of forgiveness if he does not say He is sorry? 1 John 1:9 says, if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to be cleansed of all unrighteousness; And 1 John 5:17 says all unrighteousness is sin. Have you confessed your sin whereby you can be cleansed of all unrighteusness?

 

[Jason0047]

To learn more about one being Born Again and the Righteousness of God (Which involves Repentance), check out this thread here:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/99195-born-again-righteousness-god.html

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Believe also involves repentance (i.e. confession of sin). Jesus started his ministry with the words repent for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand. If there is no repentance (or acknowledgment of their sin to the Lord) when a person came to the faith, then they are not forgiven. For can a husband cheat on his wife and then expect to have any hope of forgiveness if he does not say He is sorry? 1 John 1:9 says, if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to be cleansed of all unrighteousness; And 1 John 5:17 says all unrighteousness is sin. Have you confessed your sin whereby you can be cleansed of all unrighteusness?

That is a stupid question - of course, I ask forgiveness daily - sometimes moment by moment . . . I don't know why you are now changing the subject but hey, it's your thread!

 

[Jason0047]

Now you want to turn things around, i.e. the subject which is Christ was tempted LIKE as we are. . . . and I will just stick with that subject, thank you very much!

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted [tested] like as we are, yet without sin. Hebrews 4:15

Just read it simply and plainly . . . I will believe the word of God. DONE . . . .

As for your point about Christ being touched with the feeling of our infirmities: Christ was tested externally by the devil and sinful people. He knows what it is like to be tested by evil in the flesh like us (Even though He did not have the capacity to consider in doing evil). Jesus is touched with the feelings of our infirmities because he was in the same body that we have (So He can relate to us in our situation by the fact that we have been tested externally in the flesh).

As for your point on reading the Word of God simply and plainly: Well, there are many passages that are simple and easy to understand and can be read and understood at face value. But the KJV was written in Old English and has influenced many Modern Translations (So we have to look up the origin of the English word and the Greek). Not that I am against the KJV. For I believe it to be the perfectly preserved Word of God for our day.