Christ was tempted LIKE as we are, but He never desired or was tempted to do evil.

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It was never a thought, Jesus... Man/God trained His mind " in the flesh ",He was still tempted. The scriptures say He was right ? Why are you fighting it. This external talk is your own stinking thinking...
I asked for some clear verses to plainly show that Jesus struggled with a sin nature and now you are attacking me with ad hominems. Okay.

Love you.
But you are out of line here.
 
Jul 22, 2014
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He doesn't make anyone do anything, all that comes by nature of self and free will Jason, a choice... That will serve His purpose regardless.
God is good. So Christ's choices could only be good because Jesus is God. Christ's thoughts could only be good because Jesus is God. See, you seem to think Christ had a potential choice in doing evil. If Jesus is God, then this is not possible. If Jesus is not God, then it would be possible for him to potentially do evil or sin.
 
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I asked for some clear verses to plainly show that Jesus struggled with a sin nature and now you are attacking me with ad hominems. Okay.

Love you.
But you are out of line here.
No one said He struggled with it...He was tempted by it, is what's being said.
 
Jul 22, 2014
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making yourself a martyr now?
You are being corrected for your foolish talk.
Heed correction.
You are not my Pastor, nor are you an authority over me. My authority is the Word of God. Show your case and prove it with Scripture. If you cannot do that, then I know that God's Word is not your authority on this matter.
 
Jul 22, 2014
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No one said He struggled with it...He was tempted by it, is what's being said.
Internal temptation implies a struggle with the thing that you are being tempted with (i.e. a struggle with sin). His temptation was external only.
 
Jul 22, 2014
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I'm ganged up on at times as well. It doesn't serve us right at every situation though.
I believe in this case, it does. For nobody is explaining the verses that I have proposed. Nobody here has shown any verses that Jesus had internal temptation. Nobody here has shown any verses that clearly state Jesus had a human soul and a human spirit (that could be tempted to do bad).
 

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You are not my Pastor, nor are you an authority over me. My authority is the Word of God. Show your case and prove it with Scripture. If you cannot do that, then I know that God's Word is not your authority on this matter.
We answered a fool by his folly, as the Word tells us to do. We gave you what is clear, but you have clung to what you made up for yourself.

I'll pray for you, but how can I continue to debate with you on something that is so clear in the Word?
May you find peace with the Word, rather than wage war against it.
 
Jul 22, 2014
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We answered a fool by his folly, as the Word tells us to do. We gave you what is clear, but you have clung to what you made up for yourself.

I'll pray for you, but how can I continue to debate with you on something that is so clear in the Word?
May you find peace with the Word, rather than wage war against it.
I am sorry, my friend. I already beat you to it. I have been praying for everyone here already.

Peace be unto you.
And may God bless you.
 
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Internal temptation implies a struggle with the thing that you are being tempted with (i.e. a struggle with sin). His temptation was external only.
My last post here, for example purposes only...
If I told you Jason, you are god, surely your hungry from walking all this time, turn that rock to bread that you could eat and be full. YOU THINK about it, and your reply be, man can not live on bread alone but the word of god also...

Were you just tempted ? Aren't you hungry, stomach turning in all ? It wouldn't really have been a evil act for you to do so, but the statement that came with the reply gave value to the temptation.
 
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And I will relate this to all of the temptation satan brought to Jesus, none of them would have been sin, the world is HIS, the food is HIS, Life is HIS... Period, so yes, Jason, He can't sin, but He still came thru the flesh. He was still tempted by satan, the thought tried to provoke and failed.
 

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In order to be tempted, one must be tempted to sin. If a person does not consider committing a sin, it pretty well invalidates the temptation. Did temptation fall upon Jesus? Yes, clearly Satan tempted Jesus. But was Jesus actually tempted to be unrighteous or commit sin? No, I don't believe so. The temptation is only half of the equation, but if someone has the strength to ignore the Tempter, and if a person refuses to consider the temptation, then how does the temptation materialize? I can tempt my cat to eat a banana, but it doesn't mean my cat was tempted, i.e; Jesus was tempted but didn't fall into temptation.

Jesus told Peter; "Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak" (Matthew 26:41). He also prayed "Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil". So as I mentioned before, although Jesus was tempted in all things (Hebrews 4:15), I don't believe that he ever became a temptee. His spirit overcame all flesh, so whatever this world had to offer, I doubt Jesus considered it because he didn't desired it.. jmo
 
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In order to be tempted, one must be tempted to sin. If a person does not consider committing a sin, it pretty well invalidates the temptation. Did temptation fall upon Jesus? Yes, clearly Satan tempted Jesus. But was Jesus actually tempted to be unrighteous or commit sin? No, I don't believe so. The temptation is only half of the equation, but if someone has the strength to ignore the Tempter, and if a person refuses to consider the temptation, then how does the temptation materialize? I can tempt my cat to eat a banana, but it doesn't mean my cat was tempted, i.e; Jesus was tempted but didn't fall into temptation.

Jesus told Peter; "Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak" (Matthew 26:41). He also prayed "Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil". So as I mentioned before, although Jesus was tempted in all things (Hebrews 4:15), I don't believe that he ever became a temptee. His spirit overcame all flesh, so whatever this world had to offer, I doubt Jesus considered it because he didn't desired it.. jmo
I agree, only to add, everything is already His anyway... How can you complete temptation, if what your being tempted with is yours already. This doesn't stop the fact that He bared more pain and humility then most will ever know. Jesus had no home, Jesus wasn't respected by most of His own people. He was betrayed by His own, He was dealt a lot of pain, all things we brought on Him, deserving none of it. He endured as a man does...
 
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My last post here, for example purposes only...
If I told you Jason, you are god, surely your hungry from walking all this time, turn that rock to bread that you could eat and be full. YOU THINK about it, and your reply be, man can not live on bread alone but the word of god also...

Were you just tempted ? Aren't you hungry, stomach turning in all ? It wouldn't really have been a evil act for you to do so, but the statement that came with the reply gave value to the temptation.
You are equating the Lord's temptation with other kinds of temptations that does not apply. Surely it would not be wrong for the Son of God to turn stones into bread if He felt like it on Hiw own. Just as it was not wrong that Jesus made it possible for 5,000 to be fed by a small amount of food. It would have been wrong for the Lord to give into Satan's temptation (Proving he was God) under the devil's direction to push him into doing so. God does not play on the devil's terms, but on his own. But being tempted of other sins surely would not be the same thing we are talking about here. Jesus had no carnal desires in his flesh to be tempted to lie, cheat, steal, hate, etc. Jesus was the Holy Son of God who came to take away these types of internal struggles or sins.

Think Cause and Effect.
Think of the core of who Jesus was based on the good works that He did.
In other words, if Jesus only did good, that means at his core, He is good both body, and in His Eternal Spirit.

How can one be Holy and good and yet have the potential to do evil?

Is that the God you serve? A God who actually had to overcome sin? As if something was inside him tempting Him (internally) to do bad things? See, you can't be internally tempted by something without some kind of desire for the thing you are tempted with. Jesus did not even consider turning the stones into bread to be fed in the devil's temptation. Such a possibility did not exist for the Son of God because He is God and cannot think bad thoughts, or consider evil, or lust, or do sin. Jesus is Holy. Jesus did not have to contend with carnal flesh. He had to be clean. Spotless. Blameless so as to clean of our sin and be our substitute.
 
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You are not my Pastor, nor are you an authority over me. My authority is the Word of God. Show your case and prove it with Scripture. If you cannot do that, then I know that God's Word is not your authority on this matter.
Thank God we don't have a Pastor such as yours which leads astray with man made dogma instead of solid truth HAH!
 
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Did the devil ask the question or not Jason... Man o man...I've notice it's really hard for you to admit when your wrong.

I'm not going to argue with you, if Jesus had desire to do it or not, " the questions were confronted " ...simple
 
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Well, if you are in agreement with Dan58 on this point, then you are in agreement with me. I also believe temptation on the part of Jesus was external, too. Dan58 said the same thing but using different words.
 
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Well, Jesus used real world examples all the time to illustrate spiritual truth. You might have heard of them. They are called parables, my friend.
Well you for sure are not Jesus and you did not quote a parable that Jesus used...what you quote is your own WORLDLY un-applicable stories which have no application at all with what the word actually teaches...!
 
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Did the devil ask the question or not Jason... Man o man...I've notice it's really hard for you to admit when your wrong.

I'm not going to argue with you, if Jesus had desire to do it or not, " the questions were confronted " ...simple
I can say the same for you. However, the difference between us on this topic is that I have brought forth verses backing me up and I didn't attack you. You really didn't do that. Did you go back and seek the Scriptures on this matter for this topic? Or are you just going off what you believe and or what other people believe?