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While there are some things like cars and computers and buildings and such that can be used for God's glory, they also can be used to promote man's glory, instead. It is what one does with a thing that makes it right or wrong. Christian heavy metal is wrong because it is taking something that is good (music) and turning it into noise, confusion, and a beat of aggression (That is not one of the fruits of the Spirit).
Can there be such a thing as a Christian opera? Well, one would have to pray about that and make sure that it is God honoring and not like the Operas of the world. In other words, it has to be distinct and different and Biblical. They have to be understood and the spirit working behind it has to be of love and peace and not one of mindless aggression. But if we are talking about what appears to be secular opera: It depends on the opera and if it is based on Biblical principles. Most are not based on the Bible. This is a problem because the Scriptures say that whatever is not of the faith is sin. Another problem is that the opera has to be distinct and different because God's people are holy and separate from the world.
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One can tell if there is a spirit of aggression behind the music or not. That's kind of the point I am making here as to why Christian Heavy Metal is bad. Also, I am not promoting secular classic music, either. All things should give glory to God. As for men in robes: Jesus said that the Scibes had worn long flowing robes so as to be seen. This is one of the many problems in Catholicism.
let's just go ahead and ban all things that are considered fun or amusing. because walking with a stern look and a scowl on our face looks so much like we are enjoying a our relationship with God. because Jesus went around and judged and condemned everything and every one and we are supposed to be just like him. oh wait, he did not do that?? then why would someone who claims to expertly represent him do that??? could it be that maybe this person represents himself, not the Lord.....
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The only thing that generally concerns me about Christian metal album art is how much of it harkens to Eastern Orthodox iconographry. The "darker" elements are often the most reverent, not evil or rebellious.
I can't speak for all of these bands and album covers, because I only know a select curated group of Christian metal bands.
Topics like the global Christian persecution, overcoming temptation, spiritual warefare, dealing with long ignored sin in our lives, division among brothers, and wolves in the fold; these topics deserve a musical background that has more drive, and passion than what pop-worship allows for, and is well suited to the "darker" minor tones, which also bring out a solemn, earnest, and reverent mood.
The type of Christian metal that I know is usually worshipful. Many of the examples given on this thread are actually more outreach oriented, and therefore more upbeat.
Bands like Stryper are not worship metal, but are actually evangelist metal. Like Paul, they become a Gentile to preach to the Gentiles. Like "Carman", from the late 80s to early 90s. They are culturally relevant, yet the content remains pure to the Word.
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There are too many different things going on in "metal" to be debating about it as if it is a single thing. The definition of "metal" has changed far too many times in the past 40 years.
The metal of the 70s was basically hard-style blues, and power-ballads.
Modern metal has no identity.
Many "metal" songs don't even have distortion or drums or screaming.
Stephen Curtis Chapman even uses operatic voice in his new song "Glorious Unfolding", which to me sounds like the vocal style of most Germanic/Danish metal.
I can't speak for all of these bands and album covers, because I only know a select curated group of Christian metal bands.
Topics like the global Christian persecution, overcoming temptation, spiritual warefare, dealing with long ignored sin in our lives, division among brothers, and wolves in the fold; these topics deserve a musical background that has more drive, and passion than what pop-worship allows for, and is well suited to the "darker" minor tones, which also bring out a solemn, earnest, and reverent mood.
The type of Christian metal that I know is usually worshipful. Many of the examples given on this thread are actually more outreach oriented, and therefore more upbeat.
Bands like Stryper are not worship metal, but are actually evangelist metal. Like Paul, they become a Gentile to preach to the Gentiles. Like "Carman", from the late 80s to early 90s. They are culturally relevant, yet the content remains pure to the Word.
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There are too many different things going on in "metal" to be debating about it as if it is a single thing. The definition of "metal" has changed far too many times in the past 40 years.
The metal of the 70s was basically hard-style blues, and power-ballads.
Modern metal has no identity.
Many "metal" songs don't even have distortion or drums or screaming.
Stephen Curtis Chapman even uses operatic voice in his new song "Glorious Unfolding", which to me sounds like the vocal style of most Germanic/Danish metal.
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Btw, the "Hallelujah chorus" comes from an opera. Every Christmas and Easter play, every cantata, and every other mixed oration/singing/music that you go to HAS IT'S ROOTS IN OPERA. Opera was not invented by pagans! It was commissioned by the Church. The world grabbed hold of it and twisted it, as it does to everything.
People talk about things they don't understand... why?
People talk about things they don't understand... why?
i like some operatic Christian metal with roots in orthodoxy 
(for example: this song inspired by the classic "Dies Irae")
Jason probably just doesn't want to be judged with the same measure that he judges. i can understand that.
(for example: this song inspired by the classic "Dies Irae")
Jason probably just doesn't want to be judged with the same measure that he judges. i can understand that.
You mention all these things you say is sinful because the bible says so. The long hair, the loud music. Etc etc. But here you are bickering and quarreling about this when the bible calls that a sin!!!! You just like doing it and only see things as "evil" when you don't personally enjoy them.
Oh and unlike you I give actual scripture to back up my belief.
Titus 3:9
2timothy 2:23-24.
I pray for you Jason, that you may open your eyes and heart to the truth. Just because something is different does not mean its evil. If it brings people closer to Christ then why do you think that is evil. Maybe Satan has YOU fooled into believing this because he wants more people like you to sign a petition to outlaw all progressive christian rock , because if its out there somebody might follow Christ. It might lead them.
Romans 8:28 says all things happen for the greater glory of those that love the lord and are called according to HIS purpose. Gee, does that mean maybe just maybe if one person turns a dial on a car radio and actually listens to the words of a Christian rock song that makes him think, "God loves me and sent his son for my sins, " and he turns his life over for God, that maybe just maybe that applies to Romans 8:28?
Oh and unlike you I give actual scripture to back up my belief.
Titus 3:9
2timothy 2:23-24.
I pray for you Jason, that you may open your eyes and heart to the truth. Just because something is different does not mean its evil. If it brings people closer to Christ then why do you think that is evil. Maybe Satan has YOU fooled into believing this because he wants more people like you to sign a petition to outlaw all progressive christian rock , because if its out there somebody might follow Christ. It might lead them.
Romans 8:28 says all things happen for the greater glory of those that love the lord and are called according to HIS purpose. Gee, does that mean maybe just maybe if one person turns a dial on a car radio and actually listens to the words of a Christian rock song that makes him think, "God loves me and sent his son for my sins, " and he turns his life over for God, that maybe just maybe that applies to Romans 8:28?
If you believe that you can either listen to Christian Heavy Metal or that you support other believers in listening to it, then I am afraid for you. Christian Heavy Metal is no different than regular Heavy Metal (except the change in lyrics that nobody can hear). The fact that you cannot discern such an obvious form of evil concerns me greatly. Oh and I have provided Scripture to defend my position. Just go and read the last couple of pages in this thread and you will see the verses.
As for Titus 3:9: Well, the law mentioned here is in reference to the Law of Moses. For surely you cannot disobey the Command (law) by Jesus that says you must forgive in order for the Father to forgive you. In other words, it would not be wrong for me to correct someone who was disobeying that Command given to us by Jesus.
As for 2 Timothy 2:23-24: Well, the questions I ask are not based on some made up knowledge, but they are questions based on the Word of God. Again, see the verses I had brought up. Anyways, do you believe we have to depart from evil or iniquity? Or are you against the Biblical teaching of sinless perfectionism?
In any event, here is the verse:
"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." (2 Timothy 2:19).
As for Titus 3:9: Well, the law mentioned here is in reference to the Law of Moses. For surely you cannot disobey the Command (law) by Jesus that says you must forgive in order for the Father to forgive you. In other words, it would not be wrong for me to correct someone who was disobeying that Command given to us by Jesus.
As for 2 Timothy 2:23-24: Well, the questions I ask are not based on some made up knowledge, but they are questions based on the Word of God. Again, see the verses I had brought up. Anyways, do you believe we have to depart from evil or iniquity? Or are you against the Biblical teaching of sinless perfectionism?
In any event, here is the verse:
"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." (2 Timothy 2:19).
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This ain't death metal, or thrash metal,
but it is metal.
And it is Christian.
And it is worshipful.
And it is my 3rd or 4th all time favorite band. They have a full hymn album also, which is amazingly excellent.
God bless.
Ps. Please click the links. At least one of them. Idk how to post videos like the rest of you, at least when I'm using my phone.
[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYTk56JkwGo[/video]
[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=61UdWvxv9F8[/video]
This ain't death metal, or thrash metal,
but it is metal.
And it is Christian.
And it is worshipful.
And it is my 3rd or 4th all time favorite band. They have a full hymn album also, which is amazingly excellent.
God bless.
Ps. Please click the links. At least one of them. Idk how to post videos like the rest of you, at least when I'm using my phone.
L
Check out Blindside, Kutless, and Pillar if you like that turn of the century production-grunge sound, with Gospel Truth.
I am person friends with one of the members of Life in Your Way. Personal testimony says more than words or music can. Many of the songs are more about the struggle than the victory, but that is just real life talk, because the mainstream avoids the topic entirely.
I am person friends with one of the members of Life in Your Way. Personal testimony says more than words or music can. Many of the songs are more about the struggle than the victory, but that is just real life talk, because the mainstream avoids the topic entirely.