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When I was younger I listened to sweet comfort band and petra etc and I went to concerts with those groups as well...at the time I received a joy and praise of God that made me joyful. But later I went to keith green concerts and others with a more scripture based messages and a slower beat. Now, I was blessed by both, yet the second drew me into God's presence much more. The first style of bands were playing to the world to draw them to God with milk. The second was drawing Christians more to Himself with what I would call meat. To me it becomes priorities and what am I trying to accomplish in worship.

Music is for the Lord. Now music has an affect on us humans. I remember trying to memorize scripture in class and struggling...when I started "singing" them I picked it up much faster. Gods Word shows us Music educates, edifies, inspires, and unites.

Your choice of music can also affect your ability to accomplish tasks, and to learn. Two researcher's explored this relationship by studying the effects of music and rhythm on the nervous system of mice. For eight weeks, one group of mice constantly listened to Strauss Waltzes [for you rock buffs that's highly organized and orderly music- smile], while a second heard disharmonious sounds in the form of continuous drumbeats. A third group was raised in silence. After 8 weeks, the mice were placed in a maze to find food. The mice in the second group wandered off with no sense of direction--"a clear indication they were having trouble learning"--they took much longer than they had at the beginning of the study. The mice exposed to "Discordant sounds not only developed difficulties in learning and memory, ....but they also incurred structural changes in their brain cells." The researchers concluded: "We believe that the mice were trying to compensate for this constant bombardment of disharmonic noise....they were struggling against the chaos." So, in certain Genres we see the rhythm and beat, along with the words or messages presented, posing a possible chaotic affect.

By listening to such music we also prevent quiet moments. The human brain has only so much room to occupy certain thoughts at one time. These quiet moments allow us to think clearly and listen to the Spirit. In the "Screwtape Letters" a character named Screwtape represents Satan and tries to lead good souls to his cause. Screwtape says, "It is funny how mortals always picture us putting things in their minds: in reality our best work is done by keeping things out."

In essence, Satan knows he does not always have to fill our minds with bad thoughts if he can keep us from focusing on things of the Spirit. If we listen to music constantly, and harsh music, at that, we may not have the quiet time we need for thinking, feeling, and receiving Spiritual guidance. And with that limited amount of brain storage we must pick a priority of what fills it. We should let the Spirit guide us in everything we do. And music is no exception. Whatever style God suggests is what we should allow. Music that moves me towards God is good. Music that edifies God in me is better.
 

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Any secular music that has no part of God in it and which references worldly points of views is not neutral in it's affect, thus has no place in a christians life.
 
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Ken, thanks for your input and I will take it and use if I see truth in it.

IMO, eternal life is not abiding in you. You have eternal life IMO, but it is not abiding in you. You don't know you have it.

I have eternal life abiding in me, I KNOW I have it.

I have your perspective, this is mine.

I know I have eternal life in me because the word of God lets us know exactly that it is by our actions.

If your actions are guided by the fruits of the Spirit then you do have eternal life, and my walk in the faith is guided by love as I love all people and have no hatred toward anybody. So I would appreciate you not making a call like that on me just based on your opinion and not on scripture.
 
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Now you just cut your own dogma down to the ground....Jesus said he NEVER KNEW THEM...not that they were saved and LOST it becuase of trying to serve both...do you even listen to yourself? One contradiction after another comes out of your theology!

I did not cut nothing to the ground as that is exactly what that passage in Matthew 7:23 is talking about, the carnally minded person. Jesus says the luke warm person who things they can do both He will spit out, as He wishes we were either hot or cold. Jesus wants us to either be totally for following the word, or completely against it, but those who want to try and do both will be cut off along with the cold.

It is not a contradiction because if the Lord never knew a person means they continued in a lost state instead of heeding to the truth. It is a symbolic term used by the Lord to state because they refused to follow all of His teachings, He never new them because they were disobedient.




Your not my pastor nor my preacher KENNY.....and those were instructions to Timothy as a pastor of the church which was at Ephesus.....wake up and smelllllll the truth!


Yes they were given to Timothy by Paul, but that does not mean they don't apply to us as well.
The bible on the teachings and instructions of proper attitude and actions in the faith is for all believers, not for just a few. For the fruits of the Spirit that all believers are told they are to walk in are just that, for all believers.
 
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Just because it sounds evil does not mean that it is evil? Sorry. I am not buying that one. I do have discernment by the Spirit to know if something is clearly good or evil. Also, Paul said avoid having any appearance of evil.

As for confusing death metal with Christian Heavy Metal, ..... they sound the same to me. There is no real distinction that says to me that one is holy and good. They both are aggressive in their beat and many songs just sound like they would played in a violent horror movie or in a dirty night club scene of people thrashing their bodies about mindlessly. There is only a sense of an evil spirit to this type of music. It does not make me want to lift up my hands to God and praise Him but it makes me think of the violence of the old world and to focus upon it's dark ways. Folks need to get away from this type of music and or they need to get out of the things of the world to see that this type of music is clearly not of God. I say this because we are living in the last days and people have a form of Godliness, but they deny the power thereof.
If your Spirit discerns it as evil, yet the Spirit in me discerns it as good,
do we both have the same Spirit?

The two things aren't related in issue, because it is not the Spirit in you discerning the music, but your flesh making the discernment.

The Spirit does not contradict itself. If I can worship God, in the Spirit, while listening to a song, and you then call the song evil, which one of us is more righteous?
The judgemental one, or the worshipper of God.

Don't blaspheme the Spirit by denying His moving and power, regardless of musical form.
 
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If your Spirit discerns it as evil, yet the Spirit in me discerns it as good,
do we both have the same Spirit?

The two things aren't related in issue, because it is not the Spirit in you discerning the music, but your flesh making the discernment.

The Spirit does not contradict itself. If I can worship God, in the Spirit, while listening to a song, and you then call the song evil, which one of us is more righteous?
The judgemental one, or the worshipper of God.

Don't blaspheme the Spirit by denying His moving and power, regardless of musical form.
What are the fruits of the Spirit? Is being aggressive one of them? Is confusion one of them? Does Christian Heavy Metal sound all that different than regular Heavy Metal? Are not God's people supposed to be holy and separate from the world? Are we not to be transformed by the renewing of our mind whereby all things have become new? Can an unbeliever tell the difference between Christian Metal and regular Metal? My guess is that would be a..."no." Are Christian Heavy Metal bands persecuted for Jesus Christ or does the world love them? Do we see Jesus, and the apostles throwing their bodies about in a mindless fashion to aggressive music (as if possessed) when they sing and worship God?

Does listening to Christian Metal sound like you are forsaking your life for Christ or does it sound like you are still holding onto something you enjoy from the world? For the Scriptures say, he that shall lose his life for my sake, shall save it; And he that shall save his life shall lose it.

Do you feel that the fruits of the Spirit are more evident in your life when you listen to Christian Metal?
 
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[TD]What are we to think about, if our minds are “in Christ Jesus?” The Bible is clear: “whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy” (Philippians 4:8). Our minds matter, because our beliefs matter. They are the rails on which our lives run. Thus, we cannot be cavalier about our entertainment choices.

The context of Christian lyrics matters. A Scripture verse written in feces on the wall of a public restroom may constitute evangelism, but one wonders if the context and presentation do not change the message. Holding a Sunday worship service in the atrium of the Mall of America may reach a new audience, but one wonders whether the gospel has simply become another consumer product. Context matters. Jesus became furious over the presence of the money changers’ encroachment into the temple courtyard. The convenience which enabled distant worshippers to purchase their sacrifices more easily was lost on Jesus. “My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a ‘den of robbers’” (Matthew 21:13). Jesus believed in sacred space. Worship space was different from the marketplace. Right worship demands a right context.

So what of heavy metal? Heavy metal scholar Robert Walser in Running with the Devil writes, “Heavy metal is, as much as anything else, an arena of gender, where spectacular gladiators compete to register and affect ideas of masculinity, sexuality, and gender.” There is a reason for the overlap between this musical genre and professional wrestling and “Beavis and Butthead.” The musical emphasis is on volume, power, and intensity. Melody and harmony are virtually absent. It’s a cacophony of rhythm, screaming electric guitars and angry voices. Vulgarity is made public and is celebrated. It is a defiant rejection of all moral demands. “The belief system that underlies heavy metal songs has its roots in American individualism. In heavy metal songs, the right of the individual to do whatever he or she pleases is enshrined among the highest values. Self-fulfillment and self-expression are held high whereas self-restraint and self-denial are scorned as the values of the timid, the dull, and the humorless,” writes sociologist Jeffrey Arnett in Metalheads: Heavy Metal Music and Adolescent Alienation.

Now, let me ask you, if such a thing is true according to a man who knows his Metal, then why would you want to mix something like that with Christian lyrics?
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What are the fruits of the Spirit? Is being aggressive one of them? Is confusion one of them? Does Christian Heavy Metal sound all that different than regular Heavy Metal? Are not God's people supposed to be holy and separate from the world? Are we not to be transformed by the renewing of our mind whereby all things have become new? Can an unbeliever tell the difference between Christian Metal and regular Metal? My guess is that would be a..."no." Are Christian Heavy Metal bands persecuted for Jesus Christ or does the world love them? Do we see Jesus, and the apostles throwing their bodies about in a mindless fashion to aggressive music (as if possessed) when they sing and worship God?

Does listening to Christian Metal sound like you are forsaking your life for Christ or does it sound like you are still holding onto something you enjoy from the world? For the Scriptures say, he that shall lose his life for my sake, shall save it; And he that shall save his life shall lose it.

Do you feel that the fruits of the Spirit are more evident in your life when you listen to Christian Metal?
The more you talk about "metal", the more you display that you don't know about what you are talking about.
I don't mean to be rude, it's just that you don't seem to "get" what metal is, nor what it means to those who actually can worship God while listening to worship metal.

I am extremely opposed to secular music. But when it comes to Biblical lyrics, style is not a variable in the equation.
You keep talking about "aggression" as if that is a selling point. I already told you that you see aggression where others see passion. It is your flesh, not the Spirit, that causes you this conflict of conscience.
 
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Just because it sounds evil does not mean that it is evil? Sorry. I am not buying that one. I do have discernment by the Spirit to know if something is clearly good or evil. Also, Paul said avoid having any appearance of evil.

As for confusing death metal with Christian Heavy Metal, ..... they sound the same to me. There is no real distinction that says to me that one is holy and good. They both are aggressive in their beat and many songs just sound like they would played in a violent horror movie or in a dirty night club scene of people thrashing their bodies about mindlessly. There is only a sense of an evil spirit to this type of music. It does not make me want to lift up my hands to God and praise Him but it makes me think of the violence of the old world and to focus upon it's dark ways. Folks need to get away from this type of music and or they need to get out of the things of the world to see that this type of music is clearly not of God. I say this because we are living in the last days and people have a form of Godliness, but they deny the power thereof.

Well right in your own response you let me know that you don't even know what you are talking about.

There is a complete difference between heavy metal and death metal my friend, once again I think you need to do some more research on a topic before just jumping to conclusions.

For a brand of music that takes and does nothing but glorify and worship to God is not evil, and that is what Christian Heavy Metal does. You also do realize that not all heavy metal songs are actually agressive in sound, as some actually are mellow.

But then again like I said you need to do more research if you think they are all the same, and I need to find the scripture again in the OT, but it said all music that glorifies Him is acceptable to Him. This means no matter what genre it is, as long as it in lyrics glorifies Him.

You need to stop pushing your uninformed ways on others that the Holy Spirit allows others to listen to this music.
You are not the only one with the Holy Spirit around here Jason, and if the Spirit is keeping you away from this music there must be a reason for you and you alone. For the Holy Spirit has spoken to me in my heart on this issue and has said there is nothing wrong with it for it glorifies the Father in their words.
 
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Well right in your own response you let me know that you don't even know what you are talking about.

There is a complete difference between heavy metal and death metal my friend, once again I think you need to do some more research on a topic before just jumping to conclusions.
Not really a music guy and it has been a long time ago when I was familar with such terms and listened to such music. Meant to say "Heavy Metal" and not "Death Metal."

Oh, and yes; I am aware that there are mellow songs in even secular Heavy Metal bands. It does not change their aggressive songs which is their selling point.

But then again like I said you need to do more research if you think they are all the same, and I need to find the scripture again in the OT, but it said all music that glorifies Him is acceptable to Him. This means no matter what genre it is, as long as it in lyrics glorifies Him.
Psalm 98:4 and Psalm 144:9 is not talking about music that is aggressive.

You need to stop pushing your uninformed ways on others that the Holy Spirit allows others to listen to this music.
You are not the only one with the Holy Spirit around here Jason, and if the Spirit is keeping you away from this music there must be a reason for you and you alone. For the Holy Spirit has spoken to me in my heart on this issue and has said there is nothing wrong with it for it glorifies the Father in their words.
And you need to pray for discernment on this one. You are wrong. Christian Metal is not of God. For such music will not be in Heaven.
 
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The more you talk about "metal", the more you display that you don't know about what you are talking about.
I don't mean to be rude, it's just that you don't seem to "get" what metal is, nor what it means to those who actually can worship God while listening to worship metal.

I am extremely opposed to secular music. But when it comes to Biblical lyrics, style is not a variable in the equation.
You keep talking about "aggression" as if that is a selling point. I already told you that you see aggression where others see passion. It is your flesh, not the Spirit, that causes you this conflict of conscience.
Scientifically it causes mice to be confused. And scientifically it effects a human's behavior for the worse and not for the better.
 
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[video]https://youtu.be/ukmobha2krY[/video]
 
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Not really a music guy and it has been a long time ago when I was familar with such terms and listened to such music. Meant to say "Heavy Metal" and not "Death Metal."

Oh, and yes; I am aware that there are mellow songs in even secular Heavy Metal bands. It does not change their aggressive songs which is their selling point.



Psalm 98:4 and Psalm 144:9 is not talking about music that is aggressive.



And you need to pray for discernment on this one. You are wrong. Christian Metal is not of God. For such music will not be in Heaven.

You keep wanting to place the word "secular" on to the term Christian Heavy Metal, you do realize there is a difference between main stream Heavy Metal and Christian Heavy Metal ???

Secular means things that have no religious or spiritual basis, but Christian Heavy Metal does not fall in that category because it does glorify God and is a form of worship to Him as all music is that the lyrics are respectful in them.
 
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[video]https://youtu.be/ukmobha2krY[/video]
Sorry my video posting is not acting right again, but this is an 80's Christian metal band Slaughter.....Fly to the Angels !!!
 
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Scientifically it causes mice to be confused. And scientifically it effects a human's behavior for the worse and not for the better.
What kind of metal was used in the study? How about a more specific question, of what song or artist.
Metallica? Pantera? Transiberian Orchestra?

I wonder what Skrillex would do to a plant, animal or human after a few hours... and that's not even close to metal.

I wonder what Beyonce does to humans after awhile of listening?

Science requires constants, and for the variables to be understood. Regardless of what study you have (which I would love to see a legitimate citation), the constants and variables can easily be ripped to shreds by any actual scientific method.
Why do I say this? Because a study done based on secular music can in no way support the debate at hand. Do you understand yet?
 
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"But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth." (Colossians 3:8).

"Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice." (Ephesians 4:31).
 
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"But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth." (Colossians 3:8).

"Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice." (Ephesians 4:31).
Not really about "metal". Now if the actual lyrics display those things, then there is a problem... but your subjective view of musical property doesn't actual apply to those verses. Your personal musical associations are what cause you to think of these things... which is why you personally should not listen to metal, because it would affect your conscience.

Not all share those burdens of sin-ridden association. Don't burden others with your personal convictions, as it just weighs down those otherwise free.
 
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[VIDEO=youtube;HDavJ2mvql4]https://youtu.be/HDavJ2mvql4[/VIDEO]
 
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Those who were into "heavy metal" during their years in unbelief, who then come to Christ,
are going to have sinful associations with that style. The same goes for most anything else.
The question is whether or not we allow these associations to burden us, or to lay those burdens down.

I was into rap during my rebellious years. I have a hard time listening to Lecrea, even though the lyrics are solid Scripture. Mental associations are powerful, but certainly not more powerful than the Blood of Christ.
 
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You keep wanting to place the word "secular" on to the term Christian Heavy Metal, you do realize there is a difference between main stream Heavy Metal and Christian Heavy Metal ???

Secular means things that have no religious or spiritual basis, but Christian Heavy Metal does not fall in that category because it does glorify God and is a form of worship to Him as all music is that the lyrics are respectful in them.
Can a church group who dress and decorate like Satanists during their worship service be okay with God as long as they stick to preaching Scripture? The Bible says avoid having any appearance of evil. This would include Christian metal bands looking and sounding exactly like secular metal bands.