Christian Unity what will it take?
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To have unity it's going to take wisdom and lots of it. The following is a quote about wisdom.
quote - Prov 4:7 'Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her. She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee'.
Wisdom is the application of knowledge. When we apply what we know and put it into practice by faith, we then get understanding about what we have applied.
A woman buys a box of cake mix and she follows the instructions on the box. She mixes in a bowl the ingredients, puts it in a greased and floured pan and bakes it according to the time and temperature suggested. When the time is up she pulls out the pan and there is the cake. If she left some ingredients out or she baked it at a lower temperature with a different time setting, the cake would not come out right and it would be a mess to deal with.
She took the instructions on the box, she applied it accordingly and she understood how to make a good cake. If she read the instructions and never put it together she would not have a cake. If she put it together and did not put it in the oven she would have the batter but no cake. Who would want to eat the batter that never became the cake and how can you apply the topping or frosting when you don't have a cake?
Some want to apply what they know but have only a limited knowledge of what it takes. They know what they want to produce but don't have the full knowledge to produce it.
As a boy, around 6 or 7 years old, I tried to make my favorite cookie, peanut butter. When my Mom was gone I turned on the oven and put a glob of peanut butter on a piece of foil, sprinkled it with sugar and stuck it in the oven. About 10-15 minute later I opened the door and to my dismay it was all melted and no cookies. I couldn't figure out what happened until I told my Mom and she explained it. She had understanding because of experiential knowledge and knew just what to tell me. She also told me to never do it again without her being there to oversee.
Wisdom is always the principal thing. It means this. We hear the word of God and we hide it in our heart. God brings us into a situation in His plan to see how we are going to respond. The Holy Spirit takes the word of God we have in our heart and brings it to out remembrance. We immediately mix faith with the word and apply it to the situation. We don't rationalize it or analyze it, we apply it right away. We don't know what it is going to produce but we do know that we have applied the word given to us through wisdom. We now have to wait through patience and let patience have her perfect work in us (James 1:4). So God is ministering His word in the situation and working the fruit of patience in our life.
When we exalt wisdom (highly esteem) in this manner, she will promote us (exalt and lift us up) and bring us to honour (enrich our life in the eyes of others) as we embrace her. She will give us an ornament of grace for our head (many victories mentally and emotionally through grace) and a crown of glory (a promotion and reward of inward and outward light) will be delivered to us. If we have the wrong knowledge to apply, that did not come to us by grace through the Holy Spirit and from those that God has given to the church, then we have no wisdom to embrace and God can not promote us with grace and glory in the will of God. - unquote
quote - Prov 4:7 'Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her. She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee'.
Wisdom is the application of knowledge. When we apply what we know and put it into practice by faith, we then get understanding about what we have applied.
A woman buys a box of cake mix and she follows the instructions on the box. She mixes in a bowl the ingredients, puts it in a greased and floured pan and bakes it according to the time and temperature suggested. When the time is up she pulls out the pan and there is the cake. If she left some ingredients out or she baked it at a lower temperature with a different time setting, the cake would not come out right and it would be a mess to deal with.
She took the instructions on the box, she applied it accordingly and she understood how to make a good cake. If she read the instructions and never put it together she would not have a cake. If she put it together and did not put it in the oven she would have the batter but no cake. Who would want to eat the batter that never became the cake and how can you apply the topping or frosting when you don't have a cake?
Some want to apply what they know but have only a limited knowledge of what it takes. They know what they want to produce but don't have the full knowledge to produce it.
As a boy, around 6 or 7 years old, I tried to make my favorite cookie, peanut butter. When my Mom was gone I turned on the oven and put a glob of peanut butter on a piece of foil, sprinkled it with sugar and stuck it in the oven. About 10-15 minute later I opened the door and to my dismay it was all melted and no cookies. I couldn't figure out what happened until I told my Mom and she explained it. She had understanding because of experiential knowledge and knew just what to tell me. She also told me to never do it again without her being there to oversee.
Wisdom is always the principal thing. It means this. We hear the word of God and we hide it in our heart. God brings us into a situation in His plan to see how we are going to respond. The Holy Spirit takes the word of God we have in our heart and brings it to out remembrance. We immediately mix faith with the word and apply it to the situation. We don't rationalize it or analyze it, we apply it right away. We don't know what it is going to produce but we do know that we have applied the word given to us through wisdom. We now have to wait through patience and let patience have her perfect work in us (James 1:4). So God is ministering His word in the situation and working the fruit of patience in our life.
When we exalt wisdom (highly esteem) in this manner, she will promote us (exalt and lift us up) and bring us to honour (enrich our life in the eyes of others) as we embrace her. She will give us an ornament of grace for our head (many victories mentally and emotionally through grace) and a crown of glory (a promotion and reward of inward and outward light) will be delivered to us. If we have the wrong knowledge to apply, that did not come to us by grace through the Holy Spirit and from those that God has given to the church, then we have no wisdom to embrace and God can not promote us with grace and glory in the will of God. - unquote
i am witnessing to God's mercy every single day ana.
and if you think this is easy or fun most of the time battling these CREEPS that come in to the church, these Third Wavers and false apostles and all the rest of this GARBAGE....having to read their blasphemous trash every day and sort through it when it STINKS, it isn't.
I'VE BEEN AT IT FOR YEARS...what about YOU?
so why bother?
BECAUSE THEY ARE STRONGHOLDS SET UP AGAINST THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AND NOBODY CARES.
i put up with the stuff (satan/dog/God is dead/don't believe in The Holy Spirit/not stomping on satan/not raising the dead/haven't attained perfection.....blah blah blah) i do because i don't want The Lord's people listening to their %^&*..............OK?
AND I'M HATED FOR IT. SO WHAT.
you were offended by a short run of steam blown off?
ok.
you'll likely be offended again. get a thicker skin.
and if you think this is easy or fun most of the time battling these CREEPS that come in to the church, these Third Wavers and false apostles and all the rest of this GARBAGE....having to read their blasphemous trash every day and sort through it when it STINKS, it isn't.
I'VE BEEN AT IT FOR YEARS...what about YOU?
so why bother?
BECAUSE THEY ARE STRONGHOLDS SET UP AGAINST THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AND NOBODY CARES.
i put up with the stuff (satan/dog/God is dead/don't believe in The Holy Spirit/not stomping on satan/not raising the dead/haven't attained perfection.....blah blah blah) i do because i don't want The Lord's people listening to their %^&*..............OK?
AND I'M HATED FOR IT. SO WHAT.
you were offended by a short run of steam blown off?
ok.
you'll likely be offended again. get a thicker skin.
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what are the fruits of the Spirit?
fear? brokenness? asceticism?
Christ set us free from fear of death, and fear of condemnation.
you teach the opposite....i do not understand why.
are my lovely christian neighbours, who live peaceably and serve their neighbours in their vocations and love God quietly in their lives lost? deceived? wicked?
paul rejoiced, even in his suffering (and he REALLY SUFFERED).
i give thanks and praise and love my God. i don't live in terror of Him. He is FOR ME. not against me.
Romans 8:33
New International Version (©1984)
Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one--for God himself has given us right standing with himself.
English Standard Version (©2001)
Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies;
International Standard Version (©2008)
Who shall accuse God's Elect? It is God who justifies!
do you believe what this says?
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How can you begin to walk in the spirit zone if you do not fear GOD? Hmm? MAKE SURE you ARE his elect. becasue HIS elect stay in HIM untill the END no matter what happens. its FEAR and reverence to the one who can do as he wishes to you. He is for those who obey him Zone. if you do then thats wonderul .SOem do not. so to say a blank statement like "we need wisdom" is false. and you know it so i don't even know what your arguing about...
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Who said you did Kathy?
Why do you make everything about YOU? I quoted RED, and then you came in here saying YOU dont need to fear GOD. If you don't need to fear GOD thats fine. thats between YOU and HIM. I quoted RED.
Love you. But that doesnt mean im not going to post what the LORD puts on my heart.
Fear of the LORD-->Wisdom-->Obedience/LOVE-->denial/death to SELF-->HIS Righteousness, through you.
WE will over come by HIS blood, and the word of OUR testimony. HE tests us, then in the testing we are humbled, and we resist temptaion, then HE shows us what we learened by that, and then WE have a
TEST-imony. No unity unless we have wisdom, which is true, about what RED said, but WISDOM can NOT come unless we have FEAR, and FEAR comes from being BROKEN.
Why do you make everything about YOU? I quoted RED, and then you came in here saying YOU dont need to fear GOD. If you don't need to fear GOD thats fine. thats between YOU and HIM. I quoted RED.
Love you. But that doesnt mean im not going to post what the LORD puts on my heart.
Fear of the LORD-->Wisdom-->Obedience/LOVE-->denial/death to SELF-->HIS Righteousness, through you.
WE will over come by HIS blood, and the word of OUR testimony. HE tests us, then in the testing we are humbled, and we resist temptaion, then HE shows us what we learened by that, and then WE have a
TEST-imony. No unity unless we have wisdom, which is true, about what RED said, but WISDOM can NOT come unless we have FEAR, and FEAR comes from being BROKEN.
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one question: what fellowship does light have with darkness?
2 Corinthians 11:3-4
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity[a] that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!
2 Corinthians 11:3-4
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity[a] that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!
you know....
i don't take any pleasure in straightening out what people SAY THEY SAID AND DIDN'T SAY.
but, so i'm not mirespresented, and your position is clear...let's see what was said.
1) post is to ZONE
2) zone assumes post is to ZONE
3) RIGHT?
ZONE ASKS, WHERE DID I SAY "WE NEED WISDOM", ROB?
id red said something about it, I DIDN'T READ IT.
i'm not bothering with the LEXICON which tells us Fear of God is a reverential fear, as in AWE.
the LOST dread God. i did.
the saved REVERE HIM IN AWE. i do.
if you want to live in fear, if you have come to Mt Sinai, great.
i have not.
i have come to the throne of Grace, with a great company of saints who REVERE OUR GOD and rejoice saying Glory to You Our God who has HAS HAS HAS HAS HAS redeemed us.
so easy to say ZONE DOESN'T FEAR GOD...like zone thinks God is DEAD.
we just get SLOPPY AND LAZY AND CARELESS with what the bible says about Him.
we make up new terms, we rework words that have MEANING in the original languages.
we have NO RIGHT TO DO IT.
it's all about our performance. all about US.
WE are....we are pleasing Him. by OUR OBEDIENCE.
you DID NOT, i repeat, you DID NOT love the Lord thy God with all your heart mind and soul TODAY, and neither did you love your neighbour as yourself. not as He requires.
if you think you did, YOU DO NOT KNOW JESUS CHRIST AT ALL.
i love you too.
and i'm going to post what THE LORD HAS SAID IN HIS WORD. not some subjective thing i think He has spoken "to my heart".
that's nice.
exegete that as a string of soterilogical doctrines from the word please.
re-read EPHESIANS 2.
well, i guess your experience is different from mine.
i fell on that Stone and was broken.
THEN I WAS HEALED.
i shall rejoice in my salvation.
i will not live in a never-land of arminianism and pietism.
i am A SINNER SAVED BY GRACE.
i don't take any pleasure in straightening out what people SAY THEY SAID AND DIDN'T SAY.
but, so i'm not mirespresented, and your position is clear...let's see what was said.
1) post is to ZONE
2) zone assumes post is to ZONE
3) RIGHT?
ZONE ASKS, WHERE DID I SAY "WE NEED WISDOM", ROB?
id red said something about it, I DIDN'T READ IT.
i'm not bothering with the LEXICON which tells us Fear of God is a reverential fear, as in AWE.
the LOST dread God. i did.
the saved REVERE HIM IN AWE. i do.
if you want to live in fear, if you have come to Mt Sinai, great.
i have not.
i have come to the throne of Grace, with a great company of saints who REVERE OUR GOD and rejoice saying Glory to You Our God who has HAS HAS HAS HAS HAS redeemed us.
so easy to say ZONE DOESN'T FEAR GOD...like zone thinks God is DEAD.
we just get SLOPPY AND LAZY AND CARELESS with what the bible says about Him.
we make up new terms, we rework words that have MEANING in the original languages.
we have NO RIGHT TO DO IT.
it's all about our performance. all about US.
WE are....we are pleasing Him. by OUR OBEDIENCE.
you DID NOT, i repeat, you DID NOT love the Lord thy God with all your heart mind and soul TODAY, and neither did you love your neighbour as yourself. not as He requires.
if you think you did, YOU DO NOT KNOW JESUS CHRIST AT ALL.
i love you too.
and i'm going to post what THE LORD HAS SAID IN HIS WORD. not some subjective thing i think He has spoken "to my heart".
that's nice.
exegete that as a string of soterilogical doctrines from the word please.
re-read EPHESIANS 2.
well, i guess your experience is different from mine.
i fell on that Stone and was broken.
THEN I WAS HEALED.
i shall rejoice in my salvation.
i will not live in a never-land of arminianism and pietism.
i am A SINNER SAVED BY GRACE.
documentation please?
Paul said when he stopped obssessing about sin and Law he was set free from its power.
you can be broken all you want to.
i think much of that is flesh, and would be unacceptable to the Lord. like disfiguring ones face while fasting.
why are you BROKEN? huh?
Christ heals.
i say keep it real.
Paul said when he stopped obssessing about sin and Law he was set free from its power.
you can be broken all you want to.
i think much of that is flesh, and would be unacceptable to the Lord. like disfiguring ones face while fasting.
why are you BROKEN? huh?
Christ heals.
i say keep it real.
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No dear woman, im sorry but you missed a part.
Red Said: "To have unity it's going to take wisdom and lots of it. The following is a quote about wisdom."
Deadflesh Said: "HOW can one have wisdom Without the fear of the LORD. AND How can one fear the LORD when they are Pridefull and UN broken? STILL rulling thier own life? See. Brokenness. Humility. FEAR of GOD. US decreasing so HE can increase. there are MANY who are not doing this. which his WHY there is no unity. "
ZONE said: "what are the fruits of the Spirit? fear? brokenness? asceticism?Christ set us free from fear of death, and fear of condemnation. you teach the opposite....i do not understand why.are my lovely christian neighbours, who live peaceably and serve their neighbours in their vocations and love God quietly in their lives lost? deceived? wicked? paul rejoiced, even in his suffering (and he REALLY SUFFERED). i give thanks and praise and love my God. i don't live in terror of Him. He is FOR ME. not against me.
Now at this time, Dead flesh had not adressed ZONE. He had quoted RED, and in Quoting RED He said: "How can one have wisdom with out FEAR of the LORD"
Then Deadflesh responded to Zone and said:
"How can you begin to walk in the spirit zone if you do not fear GOD?
Hmm?
MAKE SURE you ARE his elect. becasue HIS elect stay in HIM untill the END no matter what happens. its FEAR and reverence to the one who can do as he wishes to you. He is for those who obey him Zone.
if you do then thats wonderul .
Soem do not.
so to say a blank statement like "we need wisdom"(Deadflesh redirecting his comment BACK at what RED said) is false.(the Dead flesh ends it telling Zone that SHE agrees with me on "We need wisdom" eign a blak statement)
and you know it
so i don't even know what your arguing about...
THEN Zone Said: "where did i say that rob? "
This is where Deadflesh was confused, Becasue Really, none of this was TO or about ANY specific person, but since ZONE came in and made it about her self, and ADressed ME, i adressed HER...so it seemed as if she baited Deadflesh into a conversation, and argument that really wasnt about anyone, it was about the absolute FACT that if your goign to preach WISDOM, then preach first thigns first, and preach the FEAR OF THE LORD, which is the begining of it.
Red Said: "To have unity it's going to take wisdom and lots of it. The following is a quote about wisdom."
Deadflesh Said: "HOW can one have wisdom Without the fear of the LORD. AND How can one fear the LORD when they are Pridefull and UN broken? STILL rulling thier own life? See. Brokenness. Humility. FEAR of GOD. US decreasing so HE can increase. there are MANY who are not doing this. which his WHY there is no unity. "
ZONE said: "what are the fruits of the Spirit? fear? brokenness? asceticism?Christ set us free from fear of death, and fear of condemnation. you teach the opposite....i do not understand why.are my lovely christian neighbours, who live peaceably and serve their neighbours in their vocations and love God quietly in their lives lost? deceived? wicked? paul rejoiced, even in his suffering (and he REALLY SUFFERED). i give thanks and praise and love my God. i don't live in terror of Him. He is FOR ME. not against me.
Now at this time, Dead flesh had not adressed ZONE. He had quoted RED, and in Quoting RED He said: "How can one have wisdom with out FEAR of the LORD"
Then Deadflesh responded to Zone and said:
"How can you begin to walk in the spirit zone if you do not fear GOD?
Hmm?
MAKE SURE you ARE his elect. becasue HIS elect stay in HIM untill the END no matter what happens. its FEAR and reverence to the one who can do as he wishes to you. He is for those who obey him Zone.
if you do then thats wonderul .
Soem do not.
so to say a blank statement like "we need wisdom"(Deadflesh redirecting his comment BACK at what RED said) is false.(the Dead flesh ends it telling Zone that SHE agrees with me on "We need wisdom" eign a blak statement)
and you know it
so i don't even know what your arguing about...
THEN Zone Said: "where did i say that rob? "
This is where Deadflesh was confused, Becasue Really, none of this was TO or about ANY specific person, but since ZONE came in and made it about her self, and ADressed ME, i adressed HER...so it seemed as if she baited Deadflesh into a conversation, and argument that really wasnt about anyone, it was about the absolute FACT that if your goign to preach WISDOM, then preach first thigns first, and preach the FEAR OF THE LORD, which is the begining of it.