Christian Unity what will it take?

[AnandaHya]

The real christians in this world are already united because they know to love one another despite their differences.

This is why I do not deny that other christians are my brothers and sisters even though many refuse to see me as christian because they misunderstand my faith. It is also why I don't spend much time in this bible discussion forum.

But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
Titus 3:9-11 NIV

I'd claim you as my brother Zero I might even attend Mass with you long as its not Communion Sunday.

 

[Deadflesh]

I think we would all get along better if you only realized how
funny i am. Was that too sarcastic?

hahah yes. you now must be punished

 

[Abiding]

Nice....i appreciate that..ty

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

What would it take to reunite Christianity Globally give me your thoughts please

The Unity and Order in God's church stemmed from the purpose and function of those called to equip His church to do the work of the ministry.

"And He Himself gave some [to be] apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting," - Eph. 4:11-14

Apostles were given so that the church would have proper understanding of God's word, instead of letting the church interpret God's words however they thought it it was supposed to mean.

"And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers." - Act 2:42

If there truly is no such thing as modern day apostles, then there is no one to exercise any genuine God established authority over the global church to unite Christianity in proper doctrine since it's obvious that pastors and teachers from all different denominations aren't going to all agree to speak the same things, be without divisions, and be perfectly joined together in the same mind and the same judgment.

"Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you, but [that] you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." - 1 Cor 1:10

So...what would it take to reunite Christianity? Modern apostles. Is Christianity bound to a lack of witness to the world by their lack of unity?? Many seem to think so.

"20 I...pray...21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, [are] in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me." -John 17:20-21

Does not abiding in the doctrine of Christ condemn you??

"Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God." -2 John 1:9

Lack of unity, divisions in doctrines, no affirmed authorities over the global church....wow. Sounds like Christianity has a lot to answer to when Christ returns.

"...when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?" -Luke 18:8


Good luck church...if you're really out there.

 

[unclefester]

If one is exibiting Meekness, CAN they be sarcastic? at all? really can they? is a jerk meek? even if its just "all in good fun" What if the one you are sarcastic to really cant stand it...what if the person you are talkign to had a HORIBLY sarcastic father, or husband, or borther, and it TORMENTED them all there life, adn then a "CHRISTIAN" who is the ONLY imamge of JESUS we ahve for the world goes and does EXACTLY, what thsi unsaved person, or strugling person hates...that nasty biting sarcasm(whic hi belive may stem from the persosn fear...but thats a whole different topic)

Ya know what's harder to stomach than a little sarcasm here and there ? Self-righteous people. I'd much rather be in the company of quick-witted and sarcastic individuals that fully realize their flaws and imperfections than a group of dry and humourless mopes that hold themselves in higher esteem than they ought. But hey ..... that's just my personal preference

 

[Strangelove]

No, maybe that was YOUR interperation of what Ramon said. but i knwo for a fact Ramon, is not one to harm his wn body. i can garantee it. it is again your twsiting of somthig nyou don't understadn, adn instead of askign GOD for understadning of a brother, you mock, and ridicule. Judgment.

I asked him to clarify. No word.

The Hoy spirit WILL NOT bring about sanctification if YOU are unwilling to give up SELF. JESUS said YOU must deny self. NOT sit back and watch me do things. Sorry. JESUS died to give YOU the ability, through faith in what HE allready did, to be conformed to HIS immage. But YOU must meet HIM at the cross. YOU go to the cross, and then HE gets off the cross, and YOU get on the cross. YOU must Die in HIS death. If ALL has not died, then there are thinngs your life that you still grip tightly, and have not repented of. Im not Judging, Im saying its what we DO if we dont have a surrendered Will and we don't surrender that will DAILY in humilty on our knees(thats the sacrifce) then we are NOT walking in the spirit but the flesh.

Misnomer. A Christian who is baptized in the HS WILL give up self. So your mumblings are irrelevant.

Well if you, agree with me, im not sure what YOU are arguing about, you came in here like a Reformed Bat man, shooting down anything and everything that you don't understand because its not the way YOU would word it. Is this the case? So if that is the case, Then MAYBE YOU should take a step back and instead of Attacking in contention divison, and saracsm, try to UNDERSTADN others instead of right off the bat fightignthem.

I fight sinless perfectionism.

What Embrace self? probably. its the wordls term to. If WE dont say LORD take my will, desire, and life today, I don;t want it, I want YOU, i want YOU i WANT YOU , to knwo YOU more, to have more Knowledge of WHO you are FROM you, more knowledge of WHO you are FROM YOU. i want to spend time with YOU. i will take MY time. and instead of doign thisn I Want, I will go to YOU and ask YOU to spend some time with ME, YOU are my father, i want to spend time with you, speak to ME your mind, SPeak to me your heart. We NEED to dAILY take the effort to SEEK HIM. WE do the seeking. WE do the hungering and thristing, when you are in a desert, do you SEARCH For water? when you are thirsty do you SEEK for water? Well we should NEVER be comfortable wit hwhere we stand, we SHOULD seek HIM on our knees BEING a sacrifce sacrificing our lives, for HIS life. WE need to get daily bread, we MUST eat him and drink HIM DAILY. DENY SELF, and go to HIM find out what HIS will is.

At this point I'm only skimming over your laboured paragraphs, they are so boring.

Ya...ok....you spend 24 hours a day talking to God. G'luck with that.

You keep brigning that up, and trying to use that as a weapon. THAT is not very nice nor Christian like Sir. its a very worldy tatctic. I gave UP my LIFE, I dont live but CHRIST lives in me, and i live by FAITH in HIM. Not by ME. and MY faith is i wait for HIM To tell me what to do. I gave up my life. I spend time gettign to know the FATHER. i YEILD to HIM. i humble myself to HIM. i wait fro HIM to lead. i no longer lead my self. Good for you that you are supportign your family. YOU ARE SUPOSED TO. I dotn have a wife, nor a child. And a burden on my family? Hmm...well unless you are a part of my house hold you really dont know WHAT its like over here do you? So is it really all that good to make Judgments like that based on. Are YOU sure you are i na JOB JESUS wants you in? do you even ASK him ot be a guide of your life and point YOu in the direction HE wants you...or are you LORD of your own life? My father is a cripple, My mother goes adn helps my aunt who is still grieving for the loss of her daughter. She is also crippeld with painfull arthritis, and carnple tunnel syndrome. I pray and read most of the day, and spend time with JEsus. DO you? Do you even like to spend tiem with your LORD and husband? do you WANT To know HIM? or do you think your fine telling HIM who HE is? Truly? You will only have YOU to blame if YOU ont seek HIM. Forget about this life that JESUS said you are to HATE in comparison to HIM. To bring up personal thigns about me, is really rude. i would never do that about you. not very Christian.

What do you want me to do again? Does the bible say we need to spend hours on end talking to God?

On the conterary, Im SO blessed to have the relationship i DO with my LORD becasue of HIS mercy and grace. I am UNDESERVED to knwo the thigns i know that HE spoke into my mind. Thigns i couldnt begin to explain Thigns he wants MANY people to Understand and get from HIM. IF you just pray the lords prayer one a day, thats nice, but we are to be seeking HIM over all thigns daily. that is our life. HIM. if HE isnt your life, then maybe somthing is wrong. OH the amzing blessign it is to be in the presence of the MSOT high GOD and feel his presence greatly around me and on me. To just spend time Praising his name and worshiping him, its amazing the thigns he shows you. Spend time with JESUS. Spend time with the FATHER. SEEK HIM.

**yaaaaaaaaawn**

Seek Him.....ok. You love dishing out reems of orders for people dont you? You have to do thi, you have to do that.

Jesus said Blessed is the man who hungers and thirsts after righteousness. PAUL never stoped doing this. Why would you? Crowd? Strange(form of)Love, I have no crowd. I Have JESUS. And JESUS only if OTHERS have JESUS also then they are apart of JESUS and therefore my bretheren. And as far as "Forum fruit" WAHT is the fruit of the spirit. Can YOU honestly see the fruit of the spirit in your posts? I know what i see, but what do YOU see?

I give good doctrine. Thats my fruit. If you want all the I love you's and false pretense and Gods speed to all people regardless of their funky doctrine then you've come to the wrong person.

Philippians 3:8-10
"Yes doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having my own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable to his death;

I WANT this. PAUL counted ALL thigns as dung, Dross, Trash to be burned up. HE left all thigns behind. PAUL Wanted to be found in him, that was HIS prayer for himself...he was Born again of the spirit, and yet still said that. PAUL said he wanted to WIN christ. He was Spirit filled, and STILL wanted to WIN CHRIST. He NEVER stoped hungering for JESUS. he was NEVER comfortable with the position he was at in his spiritual life. Niether am i. If you are thats fine. But SOME people arent aware that they can even GO deeper into Jesus. PAUL saught that daily. Paul said that HE MAY KNOW HIM, he allready met JESUS, and still he wanted to KNOW HIM...as do i. I am NOT comfortable at my present knowledge of JESUS he is LIMITLESS, and the riches of christ are wit hout END ...HERE in THIS life. I WANT to felloship in HIS sufferings. I WANT to be made conformed to his death. his life of denial, and his death on that Beautiful Cross. I was NEVER a part of this WOrld dotcor, not from the time i was a small child, and never understood why...I NOW understand why...its because i was CHOSEN by GOD to be tested and confromed to the imamge of his son. I desire HIM. HE is the love of my Soul. I firmyl belive that is what HE wants from ALL of us, but WE must also want this.

Paul was talkiing about his former life as a pharisee. Man your boring.

We Abide in CHRIST and are led by his spirit, or we abide in FLESH and are led by SELF and the flesh. Tree of LIFE(reliance on GOD, nd seeking more of JESUS daily, submitting seeking YOUR life and seek HIS) or tree of DEATH, whic hsi seeking YOUR desire, livign YOUR idea of what YOU want for YOUR life. if its YOU, it has to die, it means its coruptible, and NOthing of the currupt flesh will inheret the kingdom, Sacrifce it, offr it up to JESUS he is not goig nto force you, and if you ARE his, and you refuse to give it willingly, HE might have to TAKE it with force for your own good, but that is NEEDLESS. We dont have to have our fingers broken in order for him to take wha we wont GIVE, if we just GIVE. I Give. I will never stop Giving to HIM. I WANT HIM> I desire more of HIM, I desire to WIN HIM, Win HIS desire. YOu are correct a CHRISTIAN a TRUE son of God does not abide in Sin, but many dont understadn that SELF, abiding in Desire is NOT abiding in CHRIST. being led by SELF, is not beign led by the SPirit. its a process, SURE, but its a process that I dotn want to take forever. it doesnt HAVE to take forever, and its a lie to teach that it WILL take for ever. its up to US on if WE meet HIM, and SEEK HIM, and what WE Give up. When you GIVE it is given back. The same messure YOU give, it will be given back to you. if YOU give freely your entire life, and seek to surender ALL to JESUS, then HE gives you HIMSELF in return. I surrender ALL, i want to do that. I had sung that song before, growign up in church, as do most people, but when most peopel sing it, its aLIE. they DONT surrender ALL, the surrender SOME, or even MOST, is not ALL. they sing lies to GOD on a daily basis...in vian theydo worship, teachig ncommadnments of MEN, you surely shall not DIE if you dont Surender ALL.

Keep seeking, maybe you'll find the peace eventually.

Not true. HOW are you being led by the spirit if you are not seeking in FAITH for that to be done. it is meetign JESUS at his words. DENY YOU. We need to do that. like never before this will happen. WE must hunger and thirst for him.

Christians seek in faith. It's natural. We just dont spend 24 hours a day sitting on a mountain top crucifying our flesh and meditating conversations with God. If you wanna waste your life doing that knock yerself out.

greed. However THAT is why its a individual process, that WE must submit to HIS lordship. HE is lord, not US. Thats why its CRUCIAL to work our salvation out with FEAR and trembling before God. WE msut go to HIM in all thigns and SEEK to be ONE with JEsus. We are HIS wife, he is not Ours. We are HIS body, the body gets word for mthe HEAD. but it cant, considerign we DO have free will, if WE choose to ignore JESUS, ignore gettign to knwo him intimately then its OUR own fault.

We must do this, we must do that. Christians do it already. By nature. You can try preaching this on the street corners but I think most people would ignore you cuz it sounds so pious. Better to teach what Jesus did than what we must do.

SO, i agree with that. my effort is to urge the bretheren to not get stale. MY callign i to preach the HIGHER calling i nChrist to SEEK him like a Husband. To BE his wife. To WIN HIM. on such a high level as most dotn even consider. if THAT is not you, then so be it. But DO NOT fight somthig nthat PAUL seeked after, that JOHN seeked after, that ALL the early church sought after. Hungered adn thrist for CHRIST, MORE of his life, they never ceased. they forsook ALL for HIM, just like HE forsook all for THEM. I Love Jesus. he said IF you love me, you will obey me. and HIS words are not burden some, its SEEK ME, LOVE ME, and love others. Then preach the gospel. I do this. But our MAIN goal is to seek the kingdom of GOD and HIS righteousness, and THEN all the other thigns will be added to it.

I WANT to Win Christ. I DONT want my own righteosuness. PAUL was seeking this. PAUL wanted to be found IN christ, why dont you tell paul to relx and be patient.

Hmmm....higher level...whatever you say bud. Sounds like pious hornswaggle.

Just sayin'....your methods aint effective.

 

[Strangelove]

Ya know what's harder to stomach than a little sarcasm here and there ? Self-righteous people. I'd much rather be in the company of quick-witted and sarcastic individuals that fully realize their flaws and imperfections than a group of dry and humourless mopes that hold themselves in higher esteem than they ought. But hey ..... that's just my personal preference

I heartily second that.

(and I seeked Jesus, crucified the flesh, communed and prayed to God for hours and denied self before I posted that)

 

[Katy-follower]

I would love to see that happen. The problem is there will be some who will unite for the sake of loving others, whereas we are not to join with false religions, we're to expose the false doctrines.

I would love to see everyone unite under the correct doctrine.

Trying to share the truth with one person is difficult enough, so what for an entire population?

I've learnt that you can share the truth with others, by using the scriptures, but ultimately only God has the power to soften their hearts and convert them. It's easy to forget this when you're trying to help someone and wonder why they can't see what you see. But in my experience recently, I've found that God works in mysterious way and when I put my trust in him that he has a plan and that I should leave certain things to him, something amazing happens, so I know that this is what I need to do.

The bible is there to help us and I think people just need to turn to their bibles and see for themselves.

I would love to see a good end of times movie hit the movie theatre. I think it's overdue. There was a guy who as predicting the rapture earlier this year, eventhough we will not know that hour, for only God knows. As a result of this hype form him, someone I know turned to the bible and started learning more about God, because it shook him up, is my guess. I think if the whole world was exposed to an end of times movie, it would make them think. That is a good way to reach people, by giving a biblical warning.

 

[Strangelove]

I would love to see that happen. The problem is there will be some who will unite for the sake of loving others, whereas we are not to join with false religions, we're to expose the false doctrines.

I would love to see everyone unite under the correct doctrine.

Trying to share the truth with one person is difficult enough, so what for an entire population?

I've learnt that you can share the truth with others, by using the scriptures, but ultimately only God has the power to soften their hearts and convert them. It's easy to forget this when you're trying to help someone and wonder why they can't see what you see. But in my experience recently, I've found that God works in mysterious way and when I put my trust in him that he has a plan and that I should leave certain things to him, something amazing happens, so I know that this is what I need to do.

The bible is there to help us and I think people just need to turn to their bibles and see for themselves.

I would love to see a good end of times movie hit the movie theatre. I think it's overdue. There was a guy who as predicting the rapture earlier this year, eventhough we will not know that hour, for only God knows. As a result of this hype form him, someone I know turned to the bible and started learning more about God, because it shook him up, is my guess. I think if the whole world was exposed to an end of times movie, it would make them think. That is a good way to reach people, by giving a biblical warning.

Unfortuantely the movie industry is controlled by the talmudic mother of harlots. We only get zionist movies that contain jewish fables with our endtimes movies.

 

[serpentslayer]

What would it take to reunite Christianity Globally give me your thoughts please

Jesus Christ is the Only Way, which will be at the END. But i wish it did not have to wait, and we could all come together as one.

 

[4runner]

(and I seeked Jesus, crucified the flesh, communed and prayed to God for hours and denied self before I posted that)

Too bad this was sarcasm. This is exactly what you need to do.

 

[zone]

Ya know what's harder to stomach than a little sarcasm here and there ? Self-righteous people. I'd much rather be in the company of quick-witted and sarcastic individuals that fully realize their flaws and imperfections than a group of dry and humourless mopes that hold themselves in higher esteem than they ought. But hey ..... that's just my personal preference

you'd enjoy the Lutherans Fes

 

[Crossfire]

There cant be unity in pride, there cant be unity with out being broken...DAILY. THEN Jesus will conform the individual to HIS mind and imamge, and ALL who are conformed to HIS mind and imamge will have the SAME mind and imamge. And TRUE brokenness CANT come out side of suffering. Trial, testing. And TRUE suffering is from persecution for HIS namesake. the CLOSER you are conformed to HIS imamge the MORE persecution you will undergo. Verbal, emotional, phsycial, intence persecution the MORE you are confroemd to HIM. Brokeness. WE need to have our hip dislocated so we ALL lean on GOD. The surplanter MUST be come a prince with God. WE need to give up the thronw of out HEART our spirit adn give it TOTALY to the SPIRIT of the FATHER so that we can beocme ISRAEL instead of Jacob. That is unless we are an Essau.

Essau, Jacob, Israel. ALL out of the same woman. ONE denyed there birthright. ONE received the birthright, and THEN was broken, and becasue of faith and his leaning on the LORD was made into a SON. When ALL of us do this, THEN we can begin our DEEP search of JESUS. and THEN we will be united. It will be the LORD doign it, becasue of OUR heart and desire adn action in faith.

NO MORE ILLEAGALY SEISING THE PLACE THAT RIGHTLY BELONGS TO JESUS. When ALL the Jacobs turn into israels...THEN they will be one.

BROKENNES. We NEED to be humbled, and broken, the top of our jar must be broken open, and the Wine of OUR life must be spileld out completley and CHRIST who is our life MSUT be repalced compeltely.

THAT is when UNITY will happen. CANT happen in Humanstic effort, or studdying making everyone ONE doctrine..no thats all flesh, and human efort. its a personl relationship whith the MOST HIGH GOD. When WE are gone, and HE is in palce totaly, in all of us then we WILL be one.

Amen & Amen.

 

[Consumed]

OH We're all sooo much happier ever since we've asked Zone to save us from our sins

Quick ring the rabbis in israel, tell them the messiah is here

No disrespect to u Kathy, I couldn't resist the humor in Fes' post.

Hail Kathy , full of grace
Has a ring to it rofl 

 

[zone]

Quick ring the rabbis in israel, tell them the messiah is here

No disrespect to u Kathy, I couldn't resist the humor in Fes' post.

Hail Kathy , full of grace
Has a ring to it rofl 

what? really?
you doubt?

 

[AnandaHya]

I can appreciate humor but some times it crosses the line.

Titus 2:6-8
New International Version (NIV)
6 Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled. 7 In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness 8 and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us.

We should worship only Jesus and to joke about worshiping anyone or anything else is not funny for it takes away from your witness to HIS Grace and Lordship.

 

[Consumed]

what? really?
you doubt?

Doubt? never, you posses grace, every spiritual blessing has been given thru Jesus

Just wondering you might have to take steroids and male hormones to get the beard thing happening though,
I know ding - let's pray for a miracle for the beard

 

[zone]

get serious ananda.
you got christians in joel's army and the manifest sons of god actually claiming to be becoming Christ.
and perfectionists claiming to be sinless and perfect.

and you're up in arms over SATIRE?

did you see the post by Linda the SATIRICAL replies were to??

sigh....c'est la vie

ain't into the battles today.
i spent the day at hospital yesterday and wondered where those with gift of healing were.

 

[zone]

Doubt? never, you posses grace, every spiritual blessing has been given thru Jesus

Just wondering you might have to take steroids and male hormones to get the beard thing happening though,
I know ding - let's pray for a miracle for the beard

absolutely NO BEARD.
no way.
clean shaven or forget it.

 

[AnandaHya]

get serious ananda.
you got christians in joel's army and the manifest sons of god actually claiming to be becoming Christ.
and perfectionists claiming to be sinless and perfect.

and you're up in arms over SATIRE?

did you see the post by Linda the SATIRICAL replies were to??

sigh....c'est la vie

yes the get serious part is my point.

Satire is a 25 cent word and most people don't have 2 cents to rub together. though through God's mercy He may give them more or He may take away even that one they seem to have but that is God's decision. (Matthew 25)

I'm up in arms over the joel's army (robot people), manifest sons of god, perfectionists too.

1 Thessalonians 5
14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all.
16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.
23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it.
25 Brethren, pray for us.
26 Greet all the brethren with a holy kiss. \

pretending to worship anyone but God has the form of evil even if the heart testifies it is a lie and satire. I find it offensive and I am requesting that the joking move to a different topic.

Whether you respect the request or not is your choice but ask yourself this by behaving in this manner are you witnessing to God's love and mercy and helping brethren to move closer to HIM or are you getting drunk and becoming unruly in your humor and ridicule?