Christians are not required to keep the law.

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eternally-gratefull

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james57 said:
Obedience comes from faith(in Christ)
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Faith and Love.. Don't forget love,

I can have faith, but if I do not have love, my faith is week..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Nope. your the one who does not understand

the law is not in two parts. it was always one law..

what is rediculous is you think a christian does not understand what sin is, And what is proposterous is that Paul tells you in romans 1. they know what sin is, and love to do it even though they know it is wrong. and you REFUSE TO EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE PAUL SAID IT.

I think I agree with Crossnote. all you want to do is argue.
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What has the fact it is one law got to do with the penalty of sin being removed? I don't believe a christian knows what sin is?: Preposterous. If I believe the law is within a christian they must know what sin is
Your posts are becoming more irrational all the tine
 
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If you used the same reasoning I do now, you could never have been under condemnation, so you know nothing of it
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Yeah yeah, No you just totally destroyed any kind of reference or respect you may have had before. You prove what crossnote has said all along, all you want to do is argue. Anyone who even trys to ask you a question, you throw up walls, and come out fighting, so strong, you do not even know what a person is saying.

It is finny, since i have been saying continually, that if you follow law. ALL you can do is understand you come under condemnation.

Yet here you are, saying if I believe as I do, I could never feel I was under condemnation.

You just proved you have not listened to one word I have said.

good day sir..
 
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james57 said:
What has the fact it is one law got to do with the penalty of sin being removed? I don't believe a christian knows what sin is?: Preposterous. If I believe the law is within a christian they must know what sin is
Your posts are becoming more irrational all the tine
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a christian knew what sin was, before they were saved. it is what led them to christ, if they did not know what sin was, they never would have come to Christ to begin with.

Paul said this in romans 1. But you refuse to look at romans 1.

Just further proof you have no desire to discuss anything,,

Again Good day sir.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yeah yeah, No you just totally destroyed any kind of reference or respect you may have had before. You prove what crossnote has said all along, all you want to do is argue. Anyone who even trys to ask you a question, you throw up walls, and come out fighting, so strong, you do not even know what a person is saying.

It is finny, since i have been saying continually, that if you follow law. ALL you can do is understand you come under condemnation.

Yet here you are, saying if I believe as I do, I could never feel I was under condemnation.

You just proved you have not listened to one word I have said.

good day sir..
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All you have managed to do, as you have become increasingly frustrated at your inability to refute my beliefs biblically is to lie as to what I actually have stated. Your posts to me become more irrational all the tine. The bible plainly states the law is within us under the new covenant because I believe it you suggest I am puffed up, question whether I am a christian, suggest I may be led of satan and am into legalism.
That says much I am afraid
 
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No but it's part of the law and Christians don't keep it, which means Christians aren't uptight about keeping the law in the first place. That was the point.

I've yet to meet a Christian that does keep the law or who's told me I'm unsaved by NOT keeping it.
 
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No but it's part of the law and Christians don't keep it, which means Christians aren't uptight about keeping the law in the first place. That was the point.

I've yet to meet a Christian that does keep the law or who's told me I'm unsaved by NOT keeping it.
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I am a gentile and was never under the mosaic law. No christian can be saved by keeping the law. The pass nark is 100% perfect obedience to do so, that is beyond man to achieve. But the christian in their heart wants to obey for the law has been placed within them
 
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I haven't been to a Church yet which says we're ARE saved by keeping the law.
 
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I haven't been to a Church yet which says we're ARE saved by keeping the law.
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I haven't been to a church which STATES it. But I have attended churches where it is inferred you only continue to be saved if you keep it to a very high standard
 
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Babylonisfalling said:
I haven't been to a Church yet which says we're ARE saved by keeping the law.
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james57 said:
I haven't been to a church which STATES it. But I have attended churches where it is inferred you only continue to be saved if you keep it to a very high standard
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It sure makes people's arguments sound better when they can infer someone believes something, even though they never said it. People can say a church "inferred" anything. It doesn't make it true though.
 
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What percentage of Churches do you think preaches mixed fabrics, death to gays or rebellious children?
 
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That's what I thought
 
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It sure makes people's arguments sound better when they can infer someone believes something, even though they never said it. People can say a church "inferred" anything. It doesn't make it true though.
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Sure and the congregation believe it. I have asked seventh day adventists, Pentecostals, catholics and others what a christian must do to attain heaven. Nearly all of them reply
Obey the ten commandments
 
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Babylonisfalling said:
What percentage of Churches do you think preaches mixed fabrics, death to gays or rebellious children?
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I've been a pastor at a Hebrew Roots "Law-teaching" church for almost 10 years, having come in contact with numerous churches and fellowships in multiple states. I've never come across one. Do some exist? Yes. But to paint the majority of "Law-teaching" churches into that category in order to come against observance to the Law in general is foolish. Just because a minority misuses following the Law, doesn't mean there is anything wrong with following the Law.
 
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All you have managed to do, as you have become increasingly frustrated at your inability to refute my beliefs biblically is to lie as to what I actually have stated. Your posts to me become more irrational all the tine. The bible plainly states the law is within us under the new covenant because I believe it you suggest I am puffed up, question whether I am a christian, suggest I may be led of satan and am into legalism.
That says much I am afraid
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lol.. You have nothing, Stop trying.

People who refut you you condemn and call names.

You make statements which prove you do not listen to a word anyone says.

You refuse to look at scripture (ie romans 1)

Your the master of your own world. And I am not frustrated at all. Do not think so highly of yourself.

I am secure in my faith and what I believe and know who God is. and where I will be for eternity. Nothing you say can change that.
 
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KohenMatt said:
It sure makes people's arguments sound better when they can infer someone believes something, even though they never said it. People can say a church "inferred" anything. It doesn't make it true though.
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Yes, inferences can be very convenient things.
And somehow these types of threads always seem to degenerate in finger pointing exercises at someone else's church(s)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
lol.. You have nothing, Stop trying.

People who refut you you condemn and call names.

You make statements which prove you do not listen to a word anyone says.

You refuse to look at scripture (ie romans 1)

Your the master of your own world. And I am not frustrated at all. Do not think so highly of yourself.

I am secure in my faith and what I believe and know who God is. and where I will be for eternity. Nothing you say can change that.
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Your statements become ever more erratic.you haven't refuted my beliefs for you cannot, they ard based on the plain words of the bible concerning the new covenant

I condemn people? Show me where, more lies. You ard the one who has questioned whether i am a christian and suggested satan might be influencing me
And you are the one who ignores what i state and refuse to accept the scriptures directly concerning our disagreement.
Your post says much i an afraid, sadly.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
lol.. You have nothing, Stop trying.

People who refut you you condemn and call names.

You make statements which prove you do not listen to a word anyone says.

You refuse to look at scripture (ie romans 1)

Your the master of your own world. And I am not frustrated at all. Do not think so highly of yourself.

I am secure in my faith and what I believe and know who God is. and where I will be for eternity. Nothing you say can change that.
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You think romans Ch1 overrides the core terms of the new covenant? It supports it!
You are making statements that just show your confusion
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You think romans Ch1 overrides the core terms of the new covenant? It supports it!
You are making statements that just show your confusion
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I am done,

If you have no desire to discus romans 1. Then we have nothing further to discuss.

I told you I did not want to argue, so have fun in your christian walk. Thats on you.. I will do what God asks me to do. and not be bound by any law.. No law will ever make me righteous, or do one good deed. Only God can do that.

But to each his own, God bless

 
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