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PAUL was well known of debunking other gods
[Act 19:26] ISV You also see and hear that, not only in Ephesus, but almost all over Asia, this man Paul has won over and taken away a large crowd by telling them that gods made by human hands are not gods at all.
If you teach that God Son Jesus was born on winter, and the other say He was born during the feast of the Jews who do you think is right? And who do you think is the true Jesus.
The one born on winter or on Jewish Feast day?
Certainly one is false and the other is true.
Islam believes in the miracle birth of Jesus but is not the Son of God.
Christian believes both.
Who do you think holds the truth?
[Act 19:26] ISV You also see and hear that, not only in Ephesus, but almost all over Asia, this man Paul has won over and taken away a large crowd by telling them that gods made by human hands are not gods at all.
If you teach that God Son Jesus was born on winter, and the other say He was born during the feast of the Jews who do you think is right? And who do you think is the true Jesus.
The one born on winter or on Jewish Feast day?
Certainly one is false and the other is true.
Islam believes in the miracle birth of Jesus but is not the Son of God.
Christian believes both.
Who do you think holds the truth?
AND LOOK AT WHAT HE SAYS. You are externalizing what HE WANTS YOU TO BE DOING IN YOUR HEART.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] “And now, Israel, what does the LORD your God ask of you except to fear the LORD your God by walking in all His ways, to love Him, and to worship the LORD your God with all your heart and all your soul?
1 Samuel 12:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Samuel replied, “Don’t be afraid. Even though you have committed all this evil, don’t turn away from following the LORD. Instead, worship the LORD with all your heart.
Jeremiah 9:24-26 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.
Worship has to come from the HEART or you are uncircumcised in the heart.
2 Corinthians 5:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We are not commending ourselves to you again, but giving you an opportunity to be proud of us, so that you may have a reply for those who take pride in the outward appearance rather than in the heart.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] “And now, Israel, what does the LORD your God ask of you except to fear the LORD your God by walking in all His ways, to love Him, and to worship the LORD your God with all your heart and all your soul?
1 Samuel 12:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Samuel replied, “Don’t be afraid. Even though you have committed all this evil, don’t turn away from following the LORD. Instead, worship the LORD with all your heart.
Jeremiah 9:24-26 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.
Worship has to come from the HEART or you are uncircumcised in the heart.
2 Corinthians 5:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We are not commending ourselves to you again, but giving you an opportunity to be proud of us, so that you may have a reply for those who take pride in the outward appearance rather than in the heart.
my point stands if one loves Yah they will do what He says, the pharisees did not keep Yahweh;s Law at all, their "holy book" actually says they dont even listen to His voice, O can quote it if you want. Next certianly Yah will judge every mans intentions, and there will be no error, I am ok with that, my heart wants to submit, of forsake His instructions and do things like bablonain religious rituals and justify it before Yah...
Exodus 15:26, "26 And said: If you will diligently listen to the voice of Yahweh your Father, and do what is right in His
sight, and will give ear to His Laws, and keep all His statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon you, which I have brought upon the Egyptians; for I am Yahweh Ropheka; (Yahweh Your Healer.)"
Exodus 16:4, "Then Yahweh said to Mosheh: I will rain bread from heaven for you. The people are to go out and gather enough for each day, in order that I may ctest them, to see whether they will walk in My Law, or not."
Romans 2:12, "For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law."
15, "Since they show that the requirements of the Law are written in their hearts, their conscience also bears witness, and their thoughts now accuse or else try to defend them--"
admit we are wrong or justify our wrong....
Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"
1 Kings 14:23, "Because they also built for themselves high places, sacred pillars and sacred poles on every elevated hill and under every green tree."
Yeremyah 7:9-11, "Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, vow falsely, burn incense to Baal follow hinder gods you know nothing of, And then come and stand before Me in this House upon which My Name is called, and say; We are saved! Saved to do all these abominations? Has this House, which is called with My Name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen this! says Yahweh."
Deuteronomy 12:29:32, "You must not worship Yahweh your Father in their way."
Exodus 15:26, "26 And said: If you will diligently listen to the voice of Yahweh your Father, and do what is right in His
sight, and will give ear to His Laws, and keep all His statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon you, which I have brought upon the Egyptians; for I am Yahweh Ropheka; (Yahweh Your Healer.)"
Exodus 16:4, "Then Yahweh said to Mosheh: I will rain bread from heaven for you. The people are to go out and gather enough for each day, in order that I may ctest them, to see whether they will walk in My Law, or not."
Romans 2:12, "For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law."
15, "Since they show that the requirements of the Law are written in their hearts, their conscience also bears witness, and their thoughts now accuse or else try to defend them--"
admit we are wrong or justify our wrong....
Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"
1 Kings 14:23, "Because they also built for themselves high places, sacred pillars and sacred poles on every elevated hill and under every green tree."
Yeremyah 7:9-11, "Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, vow falsely, burn incense to Baal follow hinder gods you know nothing of, And then come and stand before Me in this House upon which My Name is called, and say; We are saved! Saved to do all these abominations? Has this House, which is called with My Name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen this! says Yahweh."
Deuteronomy 12:29:32, "You must not worship Yahweh your Father in their way."
constantine incorporating bablonian sun worship is the reason DEC is celebrated as christmas, the day may not matter too much, but the way one celebrates does, since when is it ok to take on demon worship rituals?
So are you saying it is ok to celebrate Babylonian rituals just as long as one doesnt think about it and does it to the Messiah and the Father?
I wonder how they feel about that?
Deuteronomy 12:29:32, They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods. Whatsoever I command you, be careful to observe and do it, you shall not add to it, nor take away from it."
That is not the ONLY point if that passage, Yah says "they even" as if to say they go this far.
and modern christmas has a counterpart...
so they used to place thier 1st born in the glowing red hot hands of a statue of Molech, and then would place a evergreen branch beneath their nose, to not smell the burning flesh. Ezekiyl 8:17, "...For they have filled the land with violence, and they have returned to provoke Me to anger; for truly, they put the branch to their nose."
in modern times we hav an adaptation, the parent set their child in santas lap, he wears red because of Molech glow red hot... santa the gods childern pray to for presents, and are lied to about from their parents...
not to mention all the other things but we could go through each piece of christmas and expose it pagan origins.
wreath and tree????
and modern christmas has a counterpart...
so they used to place thier 1st born in the glowing red hot hands of a statue of Molech, and then would place a evergreen branch beneath their nose, to not smell the burning flesh. Ezekiyl 8:17, "...For they have filled the land with violence, and they have returned to provoke Me to anger; for truly, they put the branch to their nose."
in modern times we hav an adaptation, the parent set their child in santas lap, he wears red because of Molech glow red hot... santa the gods childern pray to for presents, and are lied to about from their parents...
not to mention all the other things but we could go through each piece of christmas and expose it pagan origins.
wreath and tree????
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Who said I teach that Jesus was born in the winter, it certainly was not I. I said, tell me when the heavy snows came that year, and I will know His birth happened prior to that, because the shepherds were still in the field with their flocks. No one knows for sure when His birth actually happened. Dec. 25th was NOT proclaiming this is the day He was born, it only proclaimed this is the day we will choose to celebrate whatever Day He was born.
I SAID THE DAY DOES NOT MATTER, IT IS THE REASON FOR CELEBRATING THAT MATTERS,
AND THAT THE WORSHIP AND CELEBRATION PURELY COMES FROM THE HEART.
Our entire focus and motive is on Jesus Christ, and the Good News that GOD created the baby in Mary's womb so that part of HIMSELF could enter that body, live a sinless life, and then die as the Ultimate Sacrifice for the sins of the World. THAT is what all of us genuine Christians are Celebrating at Christmas.
You all have a bummer of a time this Christmas, you hear?
As for me and my house, ours will be FULL of love and joy because of Jesus Christ our LORD!
Who said I teach that Jesus was born in the winter, it certainly was not I. I said, tell me when the heavy snows came that year, and I will know His birth happened prior to that, because the shepherds were still in the field with their flocks. No one knows for sure when His birth actually happened. Dec. 25th was NOT proclaiming this is the day He was born, it only proclaimed this is the day we will choose to celebrate whatever Day He was born.
I SAID THE DAY DOES NOT MATTER, IT IS THE REASON FOR CELEBRATING THAT MATTERS,
AND THAT THE WORSHIP AND CELEBRATION PURELY COMES FROM THE HEART.
Our entire focus and motive is on Jesus Christ, and the Good News that GOD created the baby in Mary's womb so that part of HIMSELF could enter that body, live a sinless life, and then die as the Ultimate Sacrifice for the sins of the World. THAT is what all of us genuine Christians are Celebrating at Christmas.
You all have a bummer of a time this Christmas, you hear?
As for me and my house, ours will be FULL of love and joy because of Jesus Christ our LORD!
I am going to the shopping centre to see if Santa bursts into flames while speaking to a child. In this day and age children are not allow to touch Santa to prevent allegations of child molestation and paedophilia.
Seriously though, its not the same thing is it. Sure dont do Santa or even Christmas trees, but that is not an excuse not to be part of Christmas, which is Christs official birthday. Did you not read the posts I made explaining about Official birthdays?
If Christmas fell on any other day, chances are there is going to be a pagan or occult ritual or event associated with it.
Christmas is a wonderful time of the year and a superb time to share the Gospel with people who may not be so ready to listen at other times of the year.
Put Christ back into Christmas, if every Christian abandond and rejected 25th December like you propose, then Christ would really be removed from Christmas, no more nativity, no more reading from the Bible about Christs birth, no more singing hymns about Christs birth, no more Christ, just commercialism and thats it.
Seriously though, its not the same thing is it. Sure dont do Santa or even Christmas trees, but that is not an excuse not to be part of Christmas, which is Christs official birthday. Did you not read the posts I made explaining about Official birthdays?
If Christmas fell on any other day, chances are there is going to be a pagan or occult ritual or event associated with it.
Christmas is a wonderful time of the year and a superb time to share the Gospel with people who may not be so ready to listen at other times of the year.
Put Christ back into Christmas, if every Christian abandond and rejected 25th December like you propose, then Christ would really be removed from Christmas, no more nativity, no more reading from the Bible about Christs birth, no more singing hymns about Christs birth, no more Christ, just commercialism and thats it.
I think we just found a point we can totally agree on. I think the Church should celebrate the 7 Feasts of Israel. Because Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of ALL SEVEN FEASTS. Messianic Christians and few other Congregations do celebrate them. But I think both should be celebrated, because like Paul we are to become all things for all men, so that we CAN reach out to the LOST and call them to Christ. Have you never seen a Christmas Contada with the Choir and Orchestra in a large Church that invites the Public to attend. WHAT A POWERFUL WITNESSING TOOL. And our Pastor always gave a short sermonette at the end explaining GOD's plan of Salvation in simple terms, because he knew a lot of People were in Church for the first time in their lives just to hear the music. Oh how I miss those Contadas, we had them on Resurrection Sunday too. We attend a much smaller church now. But we do have other outreach ministries, such as Caroling at the Senior Homes and Hospitals, and giving to the needy. You will not find any sour, grim faces at our Church at Christmas time, we see it as an opportunity to witness all the more, to make a few more disciples.
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Information such as the Festival of First Fruits, represented and pictured HIS Resurrection, will be missed if you do not learn and celebrate them. Watch these videos by Dr. Zola Levitt, a born again Jewish Christian Bible Teacher. I can HIGHLY recommend his video series, "The Seven Feasts of Israel", you will learn how all the Feasts were picture prophesies about Jesus Christ the Messiah, and how Jesus fulfilled all Seven of the Feasts. I should mention that this is an OLD VIDEO SERIES, and Zola went home to be with the Lord on April 19th, 2006.
ZLM Video Series: “The Seven Feasts of Israel”
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You insist that the date does not matter...but it it does...Coz the Jesus that was born in December was not the same Jesus born in September.
The same with God...The God of Jesus does not dwell in things made by hands...but if the god of your Jesus tolerate worship to graven images then He is not the God of Jesus.
Wrong father..wrong son...True God...True Son..therefore true Jesus...
The same with God...The God of Jesus does not dwell in things made by hands...but if the god of your Jesus tolerate worship to graven images then He is not the God of Jesus.
Wrong father..wrong son...True God...True Son..therefore true Jesus...
Sounds like you were describing an American Demoncratic Congressman in that last paragraph. LOL, that was a local joke, let me explain.
The Democrats want to remove Christianity from the Public eye and all public places. They take to the extreme something that Thomas Jefferson our Third President once said in a letter to a Church that wanted him to name a national Religion, where he stated that there was written into the Constitution an implied separation of Church and State. So the modern day Democrats take that and try to force the Removal of anything Christian from public places using it as a two way barrier. They took down the ten commandments from our school walls, banned prayer in schools, sue towns that put up Nativity Scenes on Public property, etc., etc. The Republicans who are mostly pro-Christians, and some Christian Lawyers are fighting to get back our Christian rights. I had heard a Pastor teach one time that they are anxious to take this fight back to the US Supreme Court, in another case, mainly because since that first loss they have found where Thomas Jefferson explained what he meant by that barrier. "While it is obvious that there is an implied barrier between Church and State, it is equally obvious that the barrier is a one way barrier forbidding government from becoming involved in the running of Churches, while protecting the rights of Christians to be involved in the running of government." So American Politics (Democrats vs. Republicans) can get a little volatile at times. But hey, I have watched the British Government in Session a few times on BBC, and it too can get quite entertaining. LOL.
The Democrats want to remove Christianity from the Public eye and all public places. They take to the extreme something that Thomas Jefferson our Third President once said in a letter to a Church that wanted him to name a national Religion, where he stated that there was written into the Constitution an implied separation of Church and State. So the modern day Democrats take that and try to force the Removal of anything Christian from public places using it as a two way barrier. They took down the ten commandments from our school walls, banned prayer in schools, sue towns that put up Nativity Scenes on Public property, etc., etc. The Republicans who are mostly pro-Christians, and some Christian Lawyers are fighting to get back our Christian rights. I had heard a Pastor teach one time that they are anxious to take this fight back to the US Supreme Court, in another case, mainly because since that first loss they have found where Thomas Jefferson explained what he meant by that barrier. "While it is obvious that there is an implied barrier between Church and State, it is equally obvious that the barrier is a one way barrier forbidding government from becoming involved in the running of Churches, while protecting the rights of Christians to be involved in the running of government." So American Politics (Democrats vs. Republicans) can get a little volatile at times. But hey, I have watched the British Government in Session a few times on BBC, and it too can get quite entertaining. LOL.
LAST TIME, WE WORSHIP ONLY THE JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE SECOND PERSON IN THE HOLY TRINITY, GOD THE SON.
THE FATHER HE IS GOD, THE SON HE IS GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT HE IS GOD; THE THREE ARE ONE GOD, THE ONLY GOD THAT HAS EVER EXISTED. You have been totally misinformed about what we teach and believe, and therefore are spreading lies about our teachings.
You left out Oct. and Nov. and just in case you think GOD was not dwelling in JESUS you would be BIBLICALLY WRONG:
2 Corinthians 5:19 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Colossians 2:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
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THE FATHER HE IS GOD, THE SON HE IS GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT HE IS GOD; THE THREE ARE ONE GOD, THE ONLY GOD THAT HAS EVER EXISTED. You have been totally misinformed about what we teach and believe, and therefore are spreading lies about our teachings.
You left out Oct. and Nov. and just in case you think GOD was not dwelling in JESUS you would be BIBLICALLY WRONG:
2 Corinthians 5:19 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Colossians 2:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
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WHO IS SPREADING LIES???
1. THOSE WHO SAID THAT JESUS WAS BORN ON DECEMBER 25, OR
2. THOSE WHO KNOWS BIBLICALLY THAT HE WAS NOT BORN ON DECEMBER 25 BUT ACCEPTED THIS DATE AND TEACH THEM TO THEIR CHILDREN....including "Santa"...OR,
3. Those WHO KNEW THAT DEC 25 was the birth of a Pagan God and Christmas was dated the same day to camouflage Pagan Worship...and Still tell their children that it was the birth of Christ...
You maybe worshipping God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit as you said...But are you worshipping the true God, the true Lord Jesus and the true holy Spirit?
Many died in the wilderness, because they believed that they are worshipping the God who brought them out of the Land of Egypt...
Exo 32:4
And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
1. THOSE WHO SAID THAT JESUS WAS BORN ON DECEMBER 25, OR
2. THOSE WHO KNOWS BIBLICALLY THAT HE WAS NOT BORN ON DECEMBER 25 BUT ACCEPTED THIS DATE AND TEACH THEM TO THEIR CHILDREN....including "Santa"...OR,
3. Those WHO KNEW THAT DEC 25 was the birth of a Pagan God and Christmas was dated the same day to camouflage Pagan Worship...and Still tell their children that it was the birth of Christ...
You maybe worshipping God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit as you said...But are you worshipping the true God, the true Lord Jesus and the true holy Spirit?
Many died in the wilderness, because they believed that they are worshipping the God who brought them out of the Land of Egypt...
Exo 32:4
And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.