CJ Lovik with another prophecy backing up his 2030 return of Jesus

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Beckie

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This is the current aspect of the Kingdom of God and it pertains to the children of God. But we are talking about something else which is described in Daniel 7:14: And there was given Him [Christ] dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

It should be obvious that this is definitely NOT a present reality on earth. And this is exactly what will happen after the Second Coming of Christ "with power and great glory". The nations are presently serving Satan.
you say the above God said this

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
 

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you say the above God said this Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Do you seriously believe that that is THE LIMIT of the Kingdom of God?

Do you have any clue about the ultimate Kingdom of God on earth? Many Christians have serious misconceptions about the Kingdom of God, because they have neglected to study the whole Bible in this regard. When Christ told Pilate that His Kingdom was not of this world, there was a very specific context in which that was said. It certainly did not mean that that He would never have a literal Kingdom on earth. As a matter of fact, He had told the Sanhedrin just a few hours earlier that He would return to establish His Kingdom on earth: And the high priest stood up in the midst, and asked Jesus, saying, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee? But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

But when the apostles asked Christ whether He would establish the kingdom of Israel immediately (which implied establishing the Kingdom of God on earth) they were told to go and preach the Gospel instead. So it is only after the Second Coming of Christ that He will literally establish His Kingdom on earth. "Coming in the clouds of Heaven" pertains to His Second Coming: Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
 

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But we are talking about something else which is described in Daniel 7:14: And there was given Him [Christ] dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

It should be obvious that this is definitely NOT a present reality on earth. And this is exactly what will happen after the Second Coming of Christ "with power and great glory".
Right. And Daniel 7:14 ^ is in the context of what is stated in Daniel 7:22 (corresponding to Rev20:4a regarding the "still-living" saints of that time-slot [distinct from those in v.4b who were beheaded (2nd half of Trib) and then resurrected (end of Trib)--though existing in the same Trib yrs]), which v.4a says, "And I saw THRONES and they sat upon them AND JUDGMENT WAS GIVEN UNTO THEM" (same phrase used in Dan7:22 [see vv.25,27 also]), which is speaking of the time surrounding Christ's Second Coming to the earth (Rev19), yet future.

No saints are yet sitting on "THRONES".
 

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Do you seriously believe that that is THE LIMIT of the Kingdom of God?

Do you have any clue about the ultimate Kingdom of God on earth? Many Christians have serious misconceptions about the Kingdom of God, because they have neglected to study the whole Bible in this regard. When Christ told Pilate that His Kingdom was not of this world, there was a very specific context in which that was said. It certainly did not mean that that He would never have a literal Kingdom on earth. As a matter of fact, He had told the Sanhedrin just a few hours earlier that He would return to establish His Kingdom on earth: And the high priest stood up in the midst, and asked Jesus, saying, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee? But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

But when the apostles asked Christ whether He would establish the kingdom of Israel immediately (which implied establishing the Kingdom of God on earth) they were told to go and preach the Gospel instead. So it is only after the Second Coming of Christ that He will literally establish His Kingdom on earth. "Coming in the clouds of Heaven" pertains to His Second Coming: Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Limit no way expanse yes . We view things differently ... One of us could be right or we both could be wrong....

The Jews 2000+ years ago missed His kingdom cause they were looking for the same kind of kingdom many today are.

And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
where does this verse say He will establish on earth.
 

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ETA (to my previous post): In an earlier post of mine (to go along with the thought I placed in Post #223, above ^ ), I had listed amongst other references, the "RETURN" word used in Lk19:12,15,17,19 (and its parallel passage in Mt25:14-30), speaking of His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19 time-slot.






["...to receive for himself a kingdom, and to RETURN." Note that when that "return" DOES take place, per this passage, some are told "have thou authority over 10 CITIES"... etc... "Cities" are ON THE EARTH...]
 

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Mat_8:27 But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Psa_47:8 God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness.
Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Jos_1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.
Which Scripture, passage etc. says an antichrist will reign?

I believe God is in control. He is God, He sets up kings . That in turn does not mean i like what is going on but first and foremost my faith and trust is in Him.. He is found in the Scriptures the world is in the media. What is the Kingdom of God? according to the His Word...
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Please tell us then (along with Cameron143) how exactly this passage will play out. Really the question is: WHEN (and if) you expect this to actually happen.

Rom 8:19 - For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
 

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The Jews 2000+ years ago missed His kingdom cause they were looking for the same kind of kingdom many today are.
No, that's not "why".

Recall, His very own disciples (after having spent some "40-days" with Him, POST-resurrection, SPEAKING to them about things pertaining to the kingdom of God, per Acts 1:3) asked Jesus Himself, "Lord, wilt thou AT THIS TIME *restore* again the kingdom to Israel?" Jesus' response pertains to ITS TIMING which was their question (not re: its NATURE, which they understood correctly).





Peter reiterates this in Acts 3:21, when he later states, "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age."

And the OT prophets spoke MUCHLY of it. ;)
 

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Please tell us then (along with Cameron143) how exactly this passage will play out. Really the question is: WHEN (and if) you expect this to actually happen.

Rom 8:19 - For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
It's happening now and has been since then cross. Jesus is restoring all things just as He said He would do...destroy the works of the devil.
But just as things declined gradually from the Fall to the cross, so too things are gradually improving.
History is building to all the things God has promised. You believe they will be accomplished all at once. I believe they will and are happening over time.
When will all come to fruition? When God finishes bringing it all about. I don't have to know the time...just keep my lamp full.
 

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just keep my lamp full.
Ah, seems to be a reference to the "10 Virgins" parable... who, btw, are not whom Jesus will be coming to MARRY (not even the "5 WISE" of them).

The passage nowhere speaks of the "bride [singular]," as this passage is regarding "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" (i.e. the EARTHLY MK age commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth, Rev19... what Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44,36 states as, "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." [i.e. as ALREADY-WED] THEN the meal [G347]" ;) The ppl in this passage [even the 'saved' ones] NEVER LIFT OFF THE EARTH, but are present there on the earth when He "RETURNS" there)




[the "LAMPS" LIT are for the "IN THE NIGHT" time-period, aka the tribulation period commonly-called; We will not be present on the earth during that time-frame (aka the start of the Day of the Lord judgments unfolding upon the earth)]
 

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Ah, seems to be a reference to the "10 Virgins" parable... who, btw, are not whom Jesus will be coming to MARRY (not even the "5 WISE" of them).

The passage nowhere speaks of the "bride [singular]," as this passage is regarding "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" (i.e. the EARTHLY MK age commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth, Rev19... what Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44,36 states as, "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." [i.e. as ALREADY-WED] THEN the meal [G347]" ;) )
If you prefer, does remain faithful or to occupy work better for you?
 

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If you prefer, does remain faithful or to occupy work better for you?
:D Let me just say this. I agree with what you'd put here:
I don't have to know the time
It's not a requirement "to know the time". :D (agreed!)

But understanding a smidgen of what has been supplied in Scripture regarding that very Subject (and it is ABUNDANT!) sure brings a lot of JOY!!
 

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:D Let me just say this. I agree with what you'd put here:


It's not a requirement "to know the time". :D (agreed!)

But understanding a smidgen of what has been supplied in Scripture regarding that very Subject (and it is ABUNDANT!) sure brings a lot of JOY!!
The source of joy isn't knowledge but knowing God. Joy is meted out in His presence...Psalm 16:11. I could always use more but I have plenty. Your concern is noted.
Besides, I'm not the one heralding doom and gloom. That's you.
 

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What's all the fuss about the Tribulation? if You're a Believer in Christ, it's not your problem!
In one sense, you are correct... as we will not be on the earth at that time (experiencing it).

However, I still believe we have a responsibility regarding what we SAY about it NOW (while we exist here :D ); as WHAT WE SAY can and I believe will (in many cases) have an IMPACT (whether for good or for ill) to / on those [presently] unbelievers who could very well find themselves IN the Trib yrs (if it's really as close as we believe it is--tho I think the speaker in the video is "off" by a smidge)... because WHAT WE HAVE SAID (now, ABOUT it) wouldn't suddenly be totally forgotten by them... and like I said, this would have impact ON THEM (whether to point them TO the truth, or further AWAY from it... when they are IN the Trib years).

I take that responsibility seriously. = )
 

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The source of joy isn't knowledge but knowing God. Joy is meted out in His presence...Psalm 16:11. I could always use more but I have plenty. Your concern is noted.
I'm talking about what the Word of God has to tells us.

And Jeremiah said this:

Your words were found and I ate them,
And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart;
For I have been called by Your name,
O LORD God of hosts.


I can't help thinking that the more we take that in... well...



Besides, I'm not the one heralding doom and gloom. That's you.
I'm not heralding doom and gloom.

If that's the effect God's Word (which I've endeavored to present in these threads) has on you, it seems there's something a bit (dare I say it), a bit 'wrong' :cautious:





[one of the primary PURPOSES of the future "tribulation period" [7 yrs] is to bring Israel into the New Covenant... I find it grievous that some think Israel has been forever rejected by God, rather than what Scripture itself has to say about it/them... "blindness / a hardening... UNTIL"]
 

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I'm talking about what the Word of God has to tells us.

And Jeremiah said this:

Your words were found and I ate them,
And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart;
For I have been called by Your name,
O LORD God of hosts.


I can't help thinking that the more we take that in... well...





I'm not heralding doom and gloom.

If that's the effect God's Word (which I've endeavored to present in these threads) has on you, it seems there's something a bit (dare I say it), a bit 'wrong' :cautious:





[one of the primary PURPOSES of the future "tribulation period" [7 yrs] is to bring Israel into the New Covenant... I find it grievous that some think Israel has been forever rejected by God, rather than what Scripture itself has to say about it/them... "blindness / a hardening... UNTIL"]
God's presence is in His word. And I have no problem with the word of God. I disagree with some of your understanding.
But like so many here, the discussion goes from ideas to people. So I bid you grace and peace.
 

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This in addition to the Berisheet prophecy.
Meaning the 7-year tribulation starts this year and for pre-tribbers, this is the year you go up to meet Jesus in the clouds. I lived my whole life of 41 years and flip flop from pre-trib/pre-wrath and post-trib. Still don't know. But I'll be ready.

The tribulation does not start until the last three and one half years of the 7 years period.

For the first three and one half years salvation is still available to the world.

When the New Age Christ, antichrist, starts working in the world he will push the agenda of the new age movement and things will change drastically.

At the end of the first three and one half years the transgressors will have come to the full.

Then the New Age Christ will claim to be God and deceive all people who do not love God, and then they will persecute all people that oppose them which a person will be either be part of the world, or be with Jesus for there is no in between, and no religions to follow.

The new age movement interprets the Bible and religions according to the exaltation of people to evolve to be spiritual, and there is no personal God.

The 7 years period will start when the New Age Christ establishes peace in the Middle East.

They have been working on peace in the Middle East for years, and with Israel and the Palestinians having conflict with each other, and a lot now the peace treaty might be this year.

I believe the top leaders of Israel are not coming to terms with a peace treaty for they are going by the Kabbalah which is of the occult, mysticism, and are waiting for the New Age Christ to negotiate peace then they will comply so the New Age Christ can start working in the world.

When he starts working in the world he will be known as a great man of peace with many people following him, and will be the biggest player on the world scene.

The 7 years period is the time God allows the world to have their way to rebel against the truth so He can end sin on Earth.
 

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The source of joy isn't knowledge but knowing God. Joy is meted out in His presence
God's presence is in His word. And I have no problem with the word of God.
Then... we can AGREE on the matter [discussed in previous post] regarding "JOY"?? Amen. (y)


Glad to have engaged in discussion with you.
 

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It's happening now and has been since then cross. Jesus is restoring all things just as He said He would do...destroy the works of the devil.
But just as things declined gradually from the Fall to the cross, so too things are gradually improving.
History is building to all the things God has promised. You believe they will be accomplished all at once. I believe they will and are happening over time.
When will all come to fruition? When God finishes bringing it all about. I don't have to know the time...just keep my lamp full.
So you are saying that the CREATION itself is likewise also gradually "improving" since the time of Jesus? And will continue to be in the process of being "restored" for an untold amount of time with an unknowable terminus?

Well now, that is quite a statement. A statement you would have trouble proving Biblically or by any other standard of measure.

Your theory is easily refuted using Rom 8:19 alone as a reference verse. What the passage is ACTUALLY saying is that the creation is waiting for their ABRUPT, MIRACULOUS, INSTANTANEOUS change brought about by Divine intervention at a certain prescribed time in the future. Which will usher in a new type of life that will never again suffer the ills of the former condition. This peculiar act of abruptly altering of the natural order is exclusively and comprehensively cojoined with the event that must necessarily PRECEDE IT: "the manifestation of the sons of God."


Rom 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth G553 for the manifestation of the sons of God.

G553 - apekdechomai - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)

  1. assiduously and patiently waiting for
Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting G553 for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Do we expect a gradual, infinitesimally slow adoption and redemption of our bodies. No we do not. It will occur in an instant, and we will never again be what we were before.

Phl 3:20
For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for G553 the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Heb 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look G553 for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Do we expect to have Jesus slowly, imperceptibly encroach upon this earthy realm in His act of redeeming the Church? No, every verse in every passage relating to His gathering (episynagōgē) of the Church indicates an HARPAZO a "snatch". An instantaneous event.

1Co 15:52
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Th 4:16
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

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I think this syncretistic Yuga-cyclical long-span pseudo-evolutionary far far away from Jesus model of yours is novel......but hideously unbiblical. And not fit to be spoken of among the Church His Body. In fact I do think it is encroaching upon (or exceeding) the danger zone of heretical ideology!
 

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In one sense, you are correct... as we will not be on the earth at that time (experiencing it).

However, I still believe we have a responsibility regarding what we SAY about it NOW (while we exist here :D ); as WHAT WE SAY can and I believe will (in many cases) have an IMPACT (whether for good or for ill) to / on those [presently] unbelievers who could very well find themselves IN the Trib yrs (if it's really as close as we believe it is--tho I think the speaker in the video is "off" by a smidge)... because WHAT WE HAVE SAID (now, ABOUT it) wouldn't suddenly be totally forgotten by them... and like I said, this would have impact ON THEM (whether to point them TO the truth, or further AWAY from it... when they are IN the Trib years).

I take that responsibility seriously. = )
Amen to that bro....

2Th 1:7
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
 

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Besides, I'm not the one heralding doom and gloom. That's you.
No....that would be Paul. And the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.
TDW is just carrying the torch already lit as we all must do.
Yes, "heralding doom and gloom" IS an aspect of our testimony that MUST be heard.

2Th 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Col 3:6
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

1Th 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Rev 6:16
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Rev 11:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 14:10
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:19
And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rev 15:1
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
Rev 15:7
And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
Rev 16:1
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
Rev 16:19
And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.