CJ Lovik with another prophecy backing up his 2030 return of Jesus

[Beckie]

In a genuine kingdom, the king literally rules over his kingdom. If the Kingdom of God was literally present on earth, every evildoers would be in Hell. But since the evildoers are right now in full control, it means that the Kingdom of God will be established later. At the present time the world and the New World Order are moving towards the reign of the Antichrist. So you are rather confused, my friend. It is only after the Antichrist is cast into the Lake of Fire that Christ establishes His everlasting Kingdom on earth.

Mat_8:27 But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Psa_47:8 God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness.
Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Jos_1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.
Which Scripture, passage etc. says an antichrist will reign?

I believe God is in control. He is God, He sets up kings . That in turn does not mean i like what is going on but first and foremost my faith and trust is in Him.. He is found in the Scriptures the world is in the media. What is the Kingdom of God? according to the His Word...
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

 

[cv5]

Things are getting better. But God has chosen to work gradually through history.

Thing are clearly stated to be degrading to ever increasing sin and lawlessness in fact.

2Ti 3:1 - This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2Ti 3:13 - But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

2Pe 3:3 - Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

1Jo 2:18 - Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Jde 1:18 - How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Does this sound like the gradual proccess where the is world filling with peace and ever increasing righteousness? No. On the contrary, the Bible declares that this world moving inextricably to an abrupt devastating judgement, where the rotten overripe vine of the earth is hacked down and thrown into the winepress of God's end time wrath.

Rev 14:19 - And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Mat 24:22 - And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Isa 13:12 - I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold,
A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir.

Read that entire 13th chapter and compare it to Jesus' end time prophecies and the Revelation 6 thru 19 and understand that this theory of yours has been falsified resoundingly.

I cannot get much of anything accomplished on my phone but this view of yours needs to be laid to rest. So more later.

 

[cv5]

I am fed up with the "people have been saying Jesus will return soon for ages now" line
or
"the sky is falling" line

Nothing that has not been predicted for these "last days"....

2Pe 3:2 - That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

2Pe 3:3 - Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2Pe 3:4 - And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

 

[cv5]

As well as any other interpretive method. Which one did Camping use? Doesn't matter. "Eschatology" is nothing more that a "Religious term" for "Rank Speculation". So Speculate away.

I'll take Vanilla.

Here you go Bob. Kick these exhortations to the curb at your peril....

https://christianchat.com/threads/c...-his-2030-return-of-jesus.209327/post-5024149

 

[PennEd]

would we be 'more' ready tomorrow or the day after if we knew for a fact Jesus would return say Saturday?

He said watch and pray. I think maybe that is the best advice after all.

Matthew 24:42
Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come.

Matthew 24:43
But understand this: If the homeowner had known in which watch of the night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

Matthew 24:44
For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect.

This is a fair question.

However Scripture, and Jesus Himself would be silent, or say something like "Don't concern yourself with prophecy", if it wasn't a vital aspect of Scripture.

We know:

2 Timothy 3:16

New King James Version

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

More than ONE FOURTH of Scripture deals with Prophecy. Surely the Lord wants us to be cognizant of the TOTAL message He wants us to know. And a large percentage of that 26%, is dedicated to Jesus' second coming and the Millennial Reign.

Perhaps prophecy may be an effective tool to spread the Gospel to some. Certainly the history of Israel, and the FACT that they are back in the land as prophesied, could convince some.

 

[Cameron143]

Thing are clearly stated to be degrading to ever increasing sin and lawlessness in fact.

2Ti 3:1 - This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2Ti 3:13 - But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

2Pe 3:3 - Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

1Jo 2:18 - Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Jde 1:18 - How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Does this sound like the gradual proccess where the is world filling with peace and ever increasing righteousness? No. On the contrary, the Bible declares that this world moving inextricably to an abrupt devastating judgement, where the rotten overripe vine of the earth is hacked down and thrown into the winepress of God's end time wrath.

Rev 14:19 - And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Mat 24:22 - And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Isa 13:12 - I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold,
A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir.

Read that entire 13th chapter and compare it to Jesus' end time prophecies and the Revelation 6 thru 19 and understand that this theory of yours has been falsified resoundingly.

I cannot get much of anything accomplished on my phone but this view of yours needs to be laid to rest. So more later.

What you wrote about is just part of a repeating pattern in history. No different than the book of Judges:

People obey and serve God
People become lax in relationship with God
Generation arises that knows not God
God brings chastisement
People repent
People obey and serve God

Rinse and repeat. We just happen to live in a time of chastisement.

 

[cv5]

What you wrote about is just part of a repeating pattern in history. No different than the book of Judges:

People obey and serve God
People become lax in relationship with God
Generation arises that knows not God
God brings chastisement
People repent
People obey and serve God

Rinse and repeat. We just happen to live in a time of chastisement.

Sounds like Hinduism with a Christian coat of varnish to me.....

Anyways....you have egregiously woefully departed from every foundational prophecy, teaching and precept the Lord and his Apostles and the true Church have declared and taught since the world began.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I was never quite convinced that the Magog invasion was pre or after the beginning of the trib. But I am now.

Right. Notice in Ezek39:7, its use of the phrase "MY PEOPLE ISRAEL" (this comes into play AFTER "our Rapture" / the Rapture of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" / US--"Our Rapture" being a major IMPETUS that helps Israel turn to Christ in FAITH [IN the TRIB yrs which FOLLOW]);

..."and, "It will happen that in the place where it was said TO THEM, 'You are not My people,' there they will be [future tense] called 'sons of the living God.'" Romans 9:26 [/Hos1:10-11]... (whereas v.25 is about the Gentiles--Hos2:23b).

So, when (in the 70ad section of the OD) it states, "and they shall be led away captive into all the nations," then the "beast"-activity (for lack of a better term, lol) is not really factored (at least not in a direct sense--like it says of the beast, Rev17 "and IS NOT" at the time of writing [95ad]... "and YET SHALL BE [future tense]")...

...because the phrase "the TIMES of the Gentiles" refers to "Gentile domination over Israel"--think: Neb's "dream/statue/image" with Neb as "HEAD of gold" (...but Israel is considered "Lo Ammi" / "not my people" when they are "led away captive into all the nations"... until later again [Ezek39:7 ^ for one example "MY PEOPLE ISRAEL"... and the wording in Rom9:26 about them ("future"), etc] when they are again called "Ammi" / "my people [Israel]"--Hosea 5:14-6:3 illustrates this, as does Dan12:1-4 [likening it to a 'resurrection'], as well as Isaiah 26:13-21,19,20 ['come MY PEOPLE,' / 'thy dead men SHALL LIVE'], Ezekiel 37 [dry bones prophecy] and even Rom11:15[25,26-27 / Isa27:12-13,9 / Dan9:24] which passages LIKEN IT to a "resurrection" [these passages are not referring to a "physical / bodily resurrection from having been previously physically / bodily DEAD," but rather, Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations, WHERE SCATTERED ['sown unto the earth' so to speak]). Speaking of Israel's "future"... and yes, so Israel is not DONE dealing with the "beast" issue (this next time will indeed be world-wide-impact... so I'm not suggesting it will be limited to a postage-stamp-sized piece of land ONLY, mind you).

 

[Cameron143]

Sounds like Hinduism with a Christian coat of varnish to me.....

Anyways....you have egregiously woefully departed from every foundational prophecy, teaching and precept the Lord and his Apostles and the true Church have declared and taught since the world began.

As usual you veil innuendo and wrap yourself in long held tradition. You seek to bolster your argument by insult and an implied superiority. I don't care to engage with you further as I don't view it as edifying.
Grace and peace.

 

[cv5]

Right. Notice in Ezek39:7, its use of the phrase "MY PEOPLE ISRAEL" (this comes into play AFTER "our Rapture" / the Rapture of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" / US);

..."and, "It will happen that in the place where it was said TO THEM, 'You are not My people,' there they will be [future tense] called 'sons of the living God.'" Romans 9:26 [/Hos1:10-11]... (whereas v.25 is about the Gentiles--Hos2:23b).

So, when (in the 70ad section of the OD) it states, "and they shall be led away captive into all the nations," then the "beast"-activity (for lack of a better term, lol) is not really factored (at least not in a direct sense--like it says of the beast, Rev17 "and IS NOT" at the time of writing [95ad]... "and YET SHALL BE [future tense]")...

...because the phrase "the TIMES of the Gentiles" refers to "Gentile domination over Israel"--think: Neb's "dream/statue/image" with Neb as "HEAD of gold" (...but Israel is considered "Lo Ammi" / "not my people" when they are "led away captive into all the nations"... until later again [Ezek39:7 ^ for one example "MY PEOPLE ISRAEL"... and the wording in Rom9:26 about them ("future"), etc] when they are again called "Ammi" / "my people [Israel]"--Hosea 5:14-6:3 illustrates this, as does Dan12:1-4 [likening it to a 'resurrection'], as well as Isaiah 26:13-21,19,20 ['come MY PEOPLE,' / 'thy dead men SHALL LIVE'], Ezekiel 37 [dry bones prophecy] and even Rom11:15[25,26-27 / Isa27:12-13,9 / Dan9:24] which passages LIKEN IT to a "resurrection" [these passages are not referring to a "physical / bodily resurrection from having been previously physically / bodily DEAD," but rather, Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations, WHERE SCATTERED ['sown unto the earth' so to speak]). Speaking of Israel's "future"... and yes, so Israel is not DONE dealing with the "beast" issue (this next time will indeed be world-wide-impact... so I'm not suggesting it will be limited to a postage-stamp-sized piece of land ONLY, mind you).

My guess is that birthed out of this defeat of Magog and the Lord being sanctified by the fact of Israel's recognition of His salvation are the 144,000 and the reestablishment of Israel as God's agent to declare his salvation during the tribulation.

 

[PennEd]

What you wrote about is just part of a repeating pattern in history

We in western culture see Prophecy as prediction and fulfillment. And certainly some prophecy operates in this fashion.

But many Rabbis, especially in ancient and near eastern culture, see Prophecy as PATTERN.

Genesis 22 and Abraham's almost sacrifice of Isaac is the quintessential example of this. But Scripture is full of pattern and fulfillment.

 

[cv5]

As usual you veil innuendo and wrap yourself in long held tradition. You seek to bolster your argument by insult and an implied superiority. I don't care to engage with you further as I don't view it as edifying.
Grace and peace.

IMO this docrine of yours is certainly NOT that of the Apostles.

2Ti 4:3 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

1Ti 1:3 - As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

1Ti 4:16 - Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

My guess is that birthed out of this defeat of Magog and the Lord being sanctified by the fact of Israel's recognition of His salvation are the 144,000 and the reestablishment of Israel as God's agent to declare his salvation during the tribulation.

Pretty much, YES!

And it is THESE (the BELIEVING remnant of Israel, having come to faith in Christ FOLLOWING "our Rapture") who will be bringing the message of the "INVITATION" TO "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER (aka the earthly MK age), that message (Matt24:14 / 26:13) given throughout the TRIB yrs, and its RESULTS seen in both Rev7:9-17 (the "a GREAT multitude... of all the nations") and Matt25:31-34 ("SHEEP") and context (not to mention Rev19:9 "those HAVING BEEN INVITED TO..." [distinct from v.7]), as well as other passages showing same... (Dan12:3[,10]'s 'WISE [of Israel]" who "TURN MANY to righteousness" is another that popped into mind, just now...)

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

"Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel." - Micah 5:3 (not speaking of JESUS' OWN birth, that v.2 spoke of)






["she which travaileth" (identifying her) is the same as "the woman" in Rev12... where v.13 says, "...the woman which HAD BROUGHT FORTH the male [G730 - arsena / arren]" (NOT that "the male" was birthed at MID-trib, mind you)]



"the remnant" in this Micah 5:3 verse = "the remnant / the rest [of her seed]" in Rev12:17

 

[cv5]

"Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel." - Micah 5:3 (not speaking of JESUS' OWN birth, that v.2 spoke of)

There is that term "UNTIL" again. How can anyone in good conscience deny their many critical appearances, all of which declare much the same thing?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

There is that term "UNTIL" again. How can anyone in good conscience deny their many critical appearances, all of which declare much the same thing?

Yes, there are many of them (related to this point), aren't there?!

 

[Niki7]

This is a fair question.

However Scripture, and Jesus Himself would be silent, or say something like "Don't concern yourself with prophecy", if it wasn't a vital aspect of Scripture.

We know:

2 Timothy 3:16

New King James Version

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

More than ONE FOURTH of Scripture deals with Prophecy. Surely the Lord wants us to be cognizant of the TOTAL message He wants us to know. And a large percentage of that 26%, is dedicated to Jesus' second coming and the Millennial Reign.

Perhaps prophecy may be an effective tool to spread the Gospel to some. Certainly the history of Israel, and the FACT that they are back in the land as prophesied, could convince some.

sure I know that there is quite a bit of prophecy in the Bible and the most assuring ones are the ones about the birth of Christ or Isaiah 53 as to His identity. We should also understand that Jesus was not recognized by those to whom the promise/prophecy came other than a small portion through whom the gospel came and even to the Gentiles.

I'm not sure why you quote II Timothy 3:16 since so many people try to calculate the 2nd coming. Not seeing how that would be inspiring or profitable since dates that have been set have come and gone. However, I could see the reproof/correction being applied if a person considers the error of calculating with the end result being incorrect.

As for Israel, it is solid proof of prophecy coming true. Kind of awesome actually.

I think the summation of His 2nd coming is the watch and pray to which I referred since even He says only the Father knows. I do know we have some people who think the Bible contains hidden messages obtained through numbers and others who think there is no prophecy left to be fulfilled. Of course we all say we are led by the Holy Spirit as well.

I do not believe God has revealed to anyone the moment He intends to send His Son back to this earth.

 

[Sunshine]

What's all the fuss about the Tribulation? if You're a Believer in Christ, it's not your problem!

 

[Nehemiah6]

What is the Kingdom of God? according to the His Word...Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

This is the current aspect of the Kingdom of God and it pertains to the children of God. But we are talking about something else which is described in Daniel 7:14: And there was given Him [Christ] dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

It should be obvious that this is definitely NOT a present reality on earth. And this is exactly what will happen after the Second Coming of Christ "with power and great glory". The nations are presently serving Satan.

 

[Cameron143]

Everything is by and for and to Him. Thus, while people may be serving their own interests, they can at the same time be serving God's as well.