CJ Lovik with another prophecy backing up his 2030 return of Jesus

[Nehemiah6]

The church itself is the physical manifestation of the kingdom. Because it doesn't have physical borders doesn't mean it's not a kingdom.

In a genuine kingdom, the king literally rules over his kingdom. If the Kingdom of God was literally present on earth, every evildoers would be in Hell. But since the evildoers are right now in full control, it means that the Kingdom of God will be established later. At the present time the world and the New World Order are moving towards the reign of the Antichrist. So you are rather confused, my friend. It is only after the Antichrist is cast into the Lake of Fire that Christ establishes His everlasting Kingdom on earth.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

You’re giving me your interpr3etation. I am not finding anything in your words a that woudl lead me to change my view.

I believe all those things happen after the 3.5 years.. you have not shown me otherwise

Do you see a distinction between Rev1:19b's "the things WHICH ARE" (in chpts 2-3) and "the things that will [/mellei - 'SURE [to]'] happen/take place [G1096] after these" [i.e. "the things which MUST happen/take place [G1096] AFTER THESE [THINGS]" per 4:1; i.e. the things John would be "SHOWn" (1:1 / 4:1... i.e the "future" aspects of the book... IOW, the things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" 1:1 that he would be "SHOWn" from 4:1 and on...)]?




--"the things WHICH ARE" are not things said of them [as being] "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" ("the things WHICH ARE" = chpts 2-3);

--"the things [which are] SURE to take place / happen AFTER THESE" ARE "the things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" (i.e. the 7-yr Trib... which has WITHIN that time-period the "SEALS / TRUMPETS / VIALS," all.)

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ I think I stuttered a bit while chewing on my Crayolas, there ^ LOL

 

[Cameron143]

The church is falling away.. Most of what we call the church does not even hold fast to the truth anymore..

We are not talking about advances in medicine. We are talking the peace that God promised when Christ returned

I am talking about days like this about the coming messiah or rod of Jesse

Is 11:
He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,
And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked.
5 Righteousness shall be the belt of His loins,
And faithfulness the belt of His waist.
6 “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb,
The leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
The calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
And a little child shall lead them.
7 The cow and the bear shall graze;
Their young ones shall lie down together;
And the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 The nursing child shall play by the cobra’s hole,
And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper’s den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,
For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord
As the waters cover the sea.
10


When have these things happened

Those things are on the way. But it will take time. And the examples I gave were all related to the original curse in Genesis 3. Things are improving.
Consider this :
In the garden God spoke directly to Adam. After sin, God spoke for awhile, then He spoke through prophets. Then, before Jesus came, there was silence for 400 years. Things were getting worse.
The temple itself was set up to distance people from God. There was an outer court for Gentiles. Inside was a court for Jewish women. Inside that another for Jewish men. Then one for the priests and finally the Holy of Holies where 1 man could go once a year.
It was getting more and more difficult to get to God. Then BAM. Along comes Jesus and God speaks through Him. After His sacrifice, the veil is rent and we all have access to God. On Pentecost, the language which was confused at Babel was reversed and everyone heard in their own language. The Holy Spirit was poured out.
Things are getting better. But God has chosen to work gradually through history.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Yes, paul said we will rule with him

I think you and I agree that this isn't happening YET... Rev19:15b ("and He SHALL [future tense] rule / shepherd them [/the nations] with a rod / sceptre of iron") places it "FUTURE" to His Second Coming to the earth point in the chronology. Agree?



[same with how this word for "rule" ^ is also used in Rev7:17 (translated "feed" there) corresponding with Isa49:10... an earthly MK age passage]

 

[Cameron143]

Its says satan will be bound so he can not decieve the nations anymore.. Can you look at the last 2000 years and say Satan is not still decieving the nations

The gates of hell has never prevailed.. Gods word has been since adam entering satans domain and rescuing people from his grip.

Your version has all or none. My version has increasing degrees.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Do you see a distinction between Rev1:19b's "the things WHICH ARE" (in chpts 2-3) and "the things that will [/mellei - 'SURE [to]'] happen/take place [G1096] after these" [i.e. "the things which MUST happen/take place [G1096] AFTER THESE [THINGS]" per 4:1; i.e. the things John would be "SHOWn" (1:1 / 4:1... i.e the "future" aspects of the book... IOW, the things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" 1:1 that he would be "SHOWn" from 4:1 and on...)]?




--"the things WHICH ARE" are not things said of them [as being] "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" ("the things WHICH ARE" = chpts 2-3);

--"the things [which are] SURE to take place / happen AFTER THESE" ARE "the things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" (i.e. the 7-yr Trib... which has WITHIN that time-period the "SEALS / TRUMPETS / VIALS," all.)

yes, the things that are (the 7 churches) etc

the things which will be. The last day..

i still do not see any wrath in the first 3.5 years.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Your version has all or none. My version has increasing degrees.

My version has satan bound

your version has satan unbound creating all kinds of evil decieving the nations.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Those things are on the way. But it will take time. And the examples I gave were all related to the original curse in Genesis 3. Things are improving.
Consider this :
In the garden God spoke directly to Adam. After sin, God spoke for awhile, then He spoke through prophets. Then, before Jesus came, there was silence for 400 years. Things were getting worse.
The temple itself was set up to distance people from God. There was an outer court for Gentiles. Inside was a court for Jewish women. Inside that another for Jewish men. Then one for the priests and finally the Holy of Holies where 1 man could go once a year.
It was getting more and more difficult to get to God. Then BAM. Along comes Jesus and God speaks through Him. After His sacrifice, the veil is rent and we all have access to God. On Pentecost, the language which was confused at Babel was reversed and everyone heard in their own language. The Holy Spirit was poured out.
Things are getting better. But God has chosen to work gradually through history.

Thats what happens when jesus returns. He sets things right. What man has destroyed.

Even jesus said unless he came, no flesh would survive.

 

[Cameron143]

In a genuine kingdom, the king literally rules over his kingdom. If the Kingdom of God was literally present on earth, every evildoers would be in Hell. But since the evildoers are right now in full control, it means that the Kingdom of God will be established later. At the present time the world and the New World Order are moving towards the reign of the Antichrist. So you are rather confused, my friend. It is only after the Antichrist is cast into the Lake of Fire that Christ establishes His everlasting Kingdom on earth.

Evildoers aren't in the kingdom. And they only seem in control. God is always in control. The Evildoers are just instruments in the hand of God to bring chastisement to God's people.

 

[cv5]

No. Jesus did NOT set up His Kingdom on earth in the first century. Christians are still pilgrims and strangers on earth. Christ will only set up His literal, tangible, visible, physical and spiritual Kingdom on earth after His Second Coming, and after the battle of Armageddon. In the meantime the Gospel must be preached, and many must be added to the Church before the Resurrection/Rapture.

Amen to that.

1Pe 1:17 - And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

This in addition to the Berisheet prophecy.
Meaning the 7-year tribulation starts this year and for pre-tribbers, this is the year you go up to meet Jesus in the clouds. I lived my whole life of 41 years and flip flop from pre-trib/pre-wrath and post-trib. Still don't know. But I'll be ready.

Why does this prophet call Jesus by the name Yeshua?

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

"except" they used the very lame "Historicist" method of interpretation, incorrectly rendering the "1260 DAYS" as "1260 YEARS" [don't do that!!]... hello, anyone would come up with a "wrong conclusion" using that flawed method. lol

As well as any other interpretive method. Which one did Camping use? Doesn't matter. "Eschatology" is nothing more that a "Religious term" for "Rank Speculation". So Speculate away.

I'll take Vanilla.

 

[cv5]

As well as any other interpretive method. Which one did Camping use? Doesn't matter. "Eschatology" is nothing more that a "Religious term" for "Rank Speculation". So Speculate away.

I'll take Vanilla.

What TDW presents is hardly speculation. Far from it. In fact William Tell could hardly hit the mark any better.

We all should consider prophecy as yet another precious gift from God. Prophecy constitutes a majority of His Word and like TDW, we should apply all due diligence to it, thereby honoring Him Who gave it.

 

[PennEd]

What TDW presents is hardly speculation. Far from it. In fact William Tell could hardly hit the mark any better.

We all should consider prophecy as yet another precious gift from God. Prophecy constitutes a majority of His Word and like TDW, we should apply all due diligence to it, thereby honoring Him Who gave it.

I will say, it's very frustrating that a large swath of Christians steer clear, and even mock those that study this Biblical subject.

Vast chunks of the Bible are dedicated to prophecy.

And I might get physically ill, if I have to hear some variation of "no one knows the day or hour"!

Just about every Christian I know, that studies this issue, fully understands that!
But how silly, and shallow to use that to say we shouldn't be aware that the time is VERY close.

Aside from the vast chunks of Scripture, OT and NT, dedicated to prophecy, Jesus Himself answers the direct question about His second coming.
He doesn't say something like what He said to Peter:

21 Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, “But Lord, what about this man?”

22 Jesus said to him, “If I [h]will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.”

23 Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?”


Anyone who gives a specific date is not Biblical and should be considered a false prophet. But we CAN certainly know the "times". How that is defined, I don't know. The year? half decade? Decade?

The Church should have always operated under the doctrine of imminency, but all of the Biblical metrics have been met for Christ's imminent return.

Yes. There may be an undiscovered tribe hear and there, but certainly with the advent of the internet, I think it's safe to say the Gospel is available, or has been preached, in all the world.

 

[Ruby123]

I will say, it's very frustrating that a large swath of Christians steer clear, and even mock those that study this Biblical subject.

Vast chunks of the Bible are dedicated to prophecy.

And I might get physically ill, if I have to hear some variation of "no one knows the day or hour"!

Just about every Christian I know, that studies this issue, fully understands that!
But how silly, and shallow to use that to say we shouldn't be aware that the time is VERY close.

Aside from the vast chunks of Scripture, OT and NT, dedicated to prophecy, Jesus Himself answers the direct question about His second coming.
He doesn't say something like what He said to Peter:

21 Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, “But Lord, what about this man?”

22 Jesus said to him, “If I [h]will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.”

23 Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?”


Anyone who gives a specific date is not Biblical and should be considered a false prophet. But we CAN certainly know the "times". How that is defined, I don't know. The year? half decade? Decade?

The Church should have always operated under the doctrine of imminency, but all of the Biblical metrics have been met for Christ's imminent return.

Yes. There may be an undiscovered tribe hear and there, but certainly with the advent of the internet, I think it's safe to say the Gospel is available, or has been preached, in all the world.

I am fed up with the "people have been saying Jesus will return soon for ages now" line
or
"the sky is falling" line

 

[Radius]

But we CAN certainly know the "times". How that is defined, I don't know. The year? half decade? Decade?

The Church should have always operated under the doctrine of imminency, but all of the Biblical metrics have been met for Christ's imminent return.

.

The metrics have been met and are in fact increasing in frequency and fulfillment. Manifesting exactly as Jesus said they would: like birth pains that get more intense and frequent leading up to "birth."

 

[Radius]

I am fed up with the "people have been saying Jesus will return soon for ages now" line
or
"the sky is falling" line

Never mind them, they're just fulfilling Scripture lol

 

[Cameron143]

I am fed up with the "people have been saying Jesus will return soon for ages now" line
or
"the sky is falling" line

Next time, grab chicken little and have a nice chicken dinner...winner, winner.

 

[Niki7]

would we be 'more' ready tomorrow or the day after if we knew for a fact Jesus would return say Saturday?

He said watch and pray. I think maybe that is the best advice after all.

Matthew 24:42
Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come.

Matthew 24:43
But understand this: If the homeowner had known in which watch of the night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

Matthew 24:44
For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect.