CJ Lovik with another prophecy backing up his 2030 return of Jesus
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I can't imagine what immoral framework was being displayed for all to see that connects us to the days of Noah and Sodom that when Our Society will be as equally immoral for Christ to Return is not already on display.
I don't believe Biden will actually bring us to one world government, but he also won't be in Office in less than 2 years.
That still places us that much closer.
But in keeping up with a 2030s theme, in some timeliness using the variations as proof, the Yiddish Calendar has us around the year 5,988/89.
That is significant if the Disciples of John the Beloved were told by John, as they claimed, the Apostles actually believed the earth would be no longer in existence 6,000 years when it becomes the New Earth.
That also means, using the Yiddish Calendar with Variations added that the Tribulation would start at year 5,993. Or our year 2028ish and Armageddon in 2035.
Who really knows?
But we have to believe it is SOON!
I don't believe Biden will actually bring us to one world government, but he also won't be in Office in less than 2 years.
That still places us that much closer.
But in keeping up with a 2030s theme, in some timeliness using the variations as proof, the Yiddish Calendar has us around the year 5,988/89.
That is significant if the Disciples of John the Beloved were told by John, as they claimed, the Apostles actually believed the earth would be no longer in existence 6,000 years when it becomes the New Earth.
That also means, using the Yiddish Calendar with Variations added that the Tribulation would start at year 5,993. Or our year 2028ish and Armageddon in 2035.
Who really knows?
But we have to believe it is SOON!
I thing that a "one world government" is a bit of a simplification. I think that many nations will submit to and hand over the power of decision of their OWN individual nations to the beast. But the nation itself with borders will remain more or less intact.
Rev 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13
These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13
These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
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i disagree there
I believe he spoke of his coming for us..
As you suggest. If the beast is given 3.5 years. And Jesus allows it to go that long, and does not cut it short (Matt 24) so all flesh does not die. Then they WILL know the time of Jesus return.. marked by the abomination of desolation. Which we are told everyone will see (it will probably be a televised event)
I believe he spoke of his coming for us..
As you suggest. If the beast is given 3.5 years. And Jesus allows it to go that long, and does not cut it short (Matt 24) so all flesh does not die. Then they WILL know the time of Jesus return.. marked by the abomination of desolation. Which we are told everyone will see (it will probably be a televised event)
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[my apologies that I can't remember which poster has said what... but...]
...have YOU ever been among those who've said, "[such-and-such a verse] MUST be speaking about 'our RAPTURE' BECAUSE *if* it were speaking of 'His Second Coming [to the earth Rev19]' then THEY COULD SIMPLY COUNT THE DAYS till His return!!"
If you've ever said something similar [and I don't know that you have, but IF you have], then do you see that it would be true that AT SOME POINT prior to His "return [Rev19]" they had come to an awareness of WHEN that is to be expected? (How? Well, because the Word of God TELLS IT...)
...have YOU ever been among those who've said, "[such-and-such a verse] MUST be speaking about 'our RAPTURE' BECAUSE *if* it were speaking of 'His Second Coming [to the earth Rev19]' then THEY COULD SIMPLY COUNT THE DAYS till His return!!"
If you've ever said something similar [and I don't know that you have, but IF you have], then do you see that it would be true that AT SOME POINT prior to His "return [Rev19]" they had come to an awareness of WHEN that is to be expected? (How? Well, because the Word of God TELLS IT...)
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Here's two small points as to why I disagree (there are more):
--the "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" of the man of sin (2Th2:9a) is NOT at the 2Th2:4b ("sitteth in the temple of God") point in the chronology... but WELL-PRIOR to that point (which "2Th2:4b sitteth in the temple' point in the chronology is MID-trib [5th Trumpet / 1st Woe unto the earth] when the part in Rev13:5-7 ALSO is speaking about [same point in time as Dan9:27b ...and Dan12:11 (or close to it) and Matt24:15 (i.e. when the "GREAT" tribulation commences... not when the 7-yrs IN ITS ENTIRETY commences, which is AT SEAL #1, aka the INITIAL "birth PANG" (of MANY) 1Th5:1-3 and Jesus' words in Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ['a certain one' BRINGING DECEPTION]"--same as 2Th2:9b corresponding to the latter part of Dan11 (whereas Dan12:1 onward is at MID-trib)]
IOW, "the man of sin BE REVEALED" is at the START of the "7 yr period"... NOT at its MID-point when he does the "SITTETH" thing (Dan9:27b)... and not at its END-point, when he will be "consumed and annulled by the MANIFESTATION of the presence of Him/Jesus" v.8b (of 2Th).
ALL of Matt24:4-onward is what takes place FOLLOWING "our Rapture" ("Rapture" is NOT the Subject Jesus is covering ANYWHERE in His Olivet Discourse)... and "the BEGINNING of birth PANGS" are EQUIVALENT the SEALS of Rev6 at the START of the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period (aka the "7 yrs"), per 1:1/1:19c/4:1 (the "future" aspects of the book).
--the "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" of the man of sin (2Th2:9a) is NOT at the 2Th2:4b ("sitteth in the temple of God") point in the chronology... but WELL-PRIOR to that point (which "2Th2:4b sitteth in the temple' point in the chronology is MID-trib [5th Trumpet / 1st Woe unto the earth] when the part in Rev13:5-7 ALSO is speaking about [same point in time as Dan9:27b ...and Dan12:11 (or close to it) and Matt24:15 (i.e. when the "GREAT" tribulation commences... not when the 7-yrs IN ITS ENTIRETY commences, which is AT SEAL #1, aka the INITIAL "birth PANG" (of MANY) 1Th5:1-3 and Jesus' words in Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ['a certain one' BRINGING DECEPTION]"--same as 2Th2:9b corresponding to the latter part of Dan11 (whereas Dan12:1 onward is at MID-trib)]
IOW, "the man of sin BE REVEALED" is at the START of the "7 yr period"... NOT at its MID-point when he does the "SITTETH" thing (Dan9:27b)... and not at its END-point, when he will be "consumed and annulled by the MANIFESTATION of the presence of Him/Jesus" v.8b (of 2Th).
ALL of Matt24:4-onward is what takes place FOLLOWING "our Rapture" ("Rapture" is NOT the Subject Jesus is covering ANYWHERE in His Olivet Discourse)... and "the BEGINNING of birth PANGS" are EQUIVALENT the SEALS of Rev6 at the START of the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period (aka the "7 yrs"), per 1:1/1:19c/4:1 (the "future" aspects of the book).
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I disagree with those who suggest that God HAD planned "a full 7 yrs" and then [at some LATER point] changed it to only involve "3.5 yrs"...
...Rather, I believe that where it states,
"...if not the Lord had curtailed the days... but on account of the ____ He has curtailed the days..."
... that it just means, He's not going to let it go past the 7 years in duration (else ALL WOULD DIE, and no "STILL-LIVING mortals [the saints/righteous only, of course]" could ENTER the MK age as planned, LOL)
...Rather, I believe that where it states,
"...if not the Lord had curtailed the days... but on account of the ____ He has curtailed the days..."
... that it just means, He's not going to let it go past the 7 years in duration (else ALL WOULD DIE, and no "STILL-LIVING mortals [the saints/righteous only, of course]" could ENTER the MK age as planned, LOL)
and do you believe that time-period is YET FUTURE?
Paul states that "the day of the Lord" ARRIVES "exactly like [hosper]" the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" that COMES UPON a woman... and so Jesus had spoken of them [in the PLURAL], and the FIRST ONE He spoke of is (as I'd pointed out): Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE ['a certain one' BRINGING DECEPTION]" WELL-BEFORE the AOD point in time...soooo... think: Seal #1 and the "BOW" ("bow" often meaning "DECEPTION" in Scripture)
...and think: 2Th2:9b corresponding with Dan11:36-37 the one (there IDENTIFIED) who will at the later MID-point [Dan12:1 time-frame] do the "sitteth" thing, and involve the "AOD [singular] SET UP [H5414]" thing of Dan12:11, the ONLY ONE (in Dan) Jesus could have been referring to, in His words of Matt24:15[,21--kicking off "GREAT" tribulation] referring back to as "spoken of by Daniel the prophet"
Well, I think you agree that the "GREAT" tribulation (from the AOD onward) lasts for the 3.5 years...
...so the parts of the "7yrs" that PRECEDE that point in the chronology, ppl COMMONLY CALL "the Tribulation" (coz the "GREAT" aspect OF IT, starts LATER at the AOD point / MID-point of the "7 yrs"... the Dan9:27b point in the chronology...)
It is your assumption (which I'm saying is incorrect) that "the day of the Lord" only commences at the 3.5-yr mark.
But even Joel 2:31 (speaking of SAME item that is SEAL #6) says, "BEFORE the GREAT"[-aspect OF IT], NOT "before the day of the Lord IN ITS ENTIRETY," see. IOW, the "moon into blood" isn't happening "BEFORE the day of the Lord," but "BEFORE the GREAT[-aspect OF IT]" which aspect commences at the MID-point (at the AOD point--when 3.5 yrs are yet remaining); so Joel 2:31 AGREES with the SEALS [this one being Seal #6] as being IN THE FIRST HALF of the "7 yrs"... "BEFORE the GREAT[-aspect OF it]" part.
Again, Paul tells us exactly the manner (and timing) of its "ARRIVAL" and that it at the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:1-3 / Matt24:4/Mk13:5<--and that "A CERTAIN ONE" IS the rider on the white horse WITH A "BOW [/deception]" aka the pseudo-Christ, at the START of the "7 yr period"... i.e. the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period 1:1/1:19c/4:1)
Likewise, there is nothing stating that "the DOTL" time-period COMMENCES at the AOD point in time (Joel 2:31 isn't saying what many ASSUME it is saying, as I mentioned above)...
... that is your ASSUMPTION (an incorrect one) = )
Paul states that "the day of the Lord" ARRIVES "exactly like [hosper]" the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" that COMES UPON a woman... and so Jesus had spoken of them [in the PLURAL], and the FIRST ONE He spoke of is (as I'd pointed out): Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE ['a certain one' BRINGING DECEPTION]" WELL-BEFORE the AOD point in time...soooo... think: Seal #1 and the "BOW" ("bow" often meaning "DECEPTION" in Scripture)
...and think: 2Th2:9b corresponding with Dan11:36-37 the one (there IDENTIFIED) who will at the later MID-point [Dan12:1 time-frame] do the "sitteth" thing, and involve the "AOD [singular] SET UP [H5414]" thing of Dan12:11, the ONLY ONE (in Dan) Jesus could have been referring to, in His words of Matt24:15[,21--kicking off "GREAT" tribulation] referring back to as "spoken of by Daniel the prophet"
Well, I think you agree that the "GREAT" tribulation (from the AOD onward) lasts for the 3.5 years...
...so the parts of the "7yrs" that PRECEDE that point in the chronology, ppl COMMONLY CALL "the Tribulation" (coz the "GREAT" aspect OF IT, starts LATER at the AOD point / MID-point of the "7 yrs"... the Dan9:27b point in the chronology...)
It is your assumption (which I'm saying is incorrect) that "the day of the Lord" only commences at the 3.5-yr mark.
But even Joel 2:31 (speaking of SAME item that is SEAL #6) says, "BEFORE the GREAT"[-aspect OF IT], NOT "before the day of the Lord IN ITS ENTIRETY," see. IOW, the "moon into blood" isn't happening "BEFORE the day of the Lord," but "BEFORE the GREAT[-aspect OF IT]" which aspect commences at the MID-point (at the AOD point--when 3.5 yrs are yet remaining); so Joel 2:31 AGREES with the SEALS [this one being Seal #6] as being IN THE FIRST HALF of the "7 yrs"... "BEFORE the GREAT[-aspect OF it]" part.
Again, Paul tells us exactly the manner (and timing) of its "ARRIVAL" and that it at the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:1-3 / Matt24:4/Mk13:5<--and that "A CERTAIN ONE" IS the rider on the white horse WITH A "BOW [/deception]" aka the pseudo-Christ, at the START of the "7 yr period"... i.e. the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period 1:1/1:19c/4:1)
Likewise, there is nothing stating that "the DOTL" time-period COMMENCES at the AOD point in time (Joel 2:31 isn't saying what many ASSUME it is saying, as I mentioned above)...
... that is your ASSUMPTION (an incorrect one) = )
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2 Thessalonians 2:4 Context
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
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Nah. That's not WHEN he is "revealed".
He is "revealed" at the same time as the "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" v.9a of him ("IN HIS TIME"), which is at the START of the "7 yr period"--i.e. the "FOR ONE WEEK [7 yrs]" thing... (not at its MIDDLE, when he does the 2Th2:4b thing "sitteth" LATER).
In fact, Paul REPEATS this SEQUENCE (I'm pointing out ^ about his "revealed" in relation to what other thing...) THREE TIMES in this text / passage. = )
[same SEQUENCE as in all other related passages on this Subject]
He is "revealed" at the same time as the "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" v.9a of him ("IN HIS TIME"), which is at the START of the "7 yr period"--i.e. the "FOR ONE WEEK [7 yrs]" thing... (not at its MIDDLE, when he does the 2Th2:4b thing "sitteth" LATER).
In fact, Paul REPEATS this SEQUENCE (I'm pointing out ^ about his "revealed" in relation to what other thing...) THREE TIMES in this text / passage. = )
[same SEQUENCE as in all other related passages on this Subject]
^ adding to that point,
"the day of the Lord" (earthly-located time-period) ARRIVES / STARTS "IN THE NIGHT" (1Th5:1-3) at/involving the "DARK / DARKNESS"... (it goes on to INCLUDE the ENTIRE MK age also)
[all prophetic time-related-figurings, have a 'day' starting THE EVENING/NIGHT before (at SUNDOWN [/DARK], iow)... same for this time period called "the day of the Lord" which is NOT merely "a singular 24-hr day" kind of day]
"the day of the Lord" (earthly-located time-period) ARRIVES / STARTS "IN THE NIGHT" (1Th5:1-3) at/involving the "DARK / DARKNESS"... (it goes on to INCLUDE the ENTIRE MK age also)
[all prophetic time-related-figurings, have a 'day' starting THE EVENING/NIGHT before (at SUNDOWN [/DARK], iow)... same for this time period called "the day of the Lord" which is NOT merely "a singular 24-hr day" kind of day]