Closing the Gap in Dispensationalism

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But Jesus says all the Father gave to him, will come to him.
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Going back to the preaching to the Jews. This is not doctrine for the body of Christ. This is concerning the lost sheep of the house of Israel. You need to flee replacement theology. But that’s another discussion.
 
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No. I am sitting in a chair. But I chose to believe the chair would support me or I would not have sat on it.


This is the lie of Calvinism.
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What if you didn't see the chair but chose to sit anyway?
 
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John146 said:
Going back to the preaching to the Jews. This is not doctrine for the body of Christ. This is concerning the lost sheep of the house of Israel. You need to flee replacement theology. But that’s another discussion.
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Believers are Israel.
 
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Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit the word activavtes.
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Lost people have faith. Faith is not limited to the believer. Joy is not limited to the believer. Long suffering is not limited to the believer. Etc...
 
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Lost people have faith. Faith is not limited to the believer. Joy is not limited to the believer. Long suffering is not limited to the believer. Etc...
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Flesh faith cannot save. Only the Holy Spirit faith saves.
 
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Spiritual Israel, yes, not God’s physical people Israel. God is going to carry out His promises to His physical people Israel.
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There's only one people of God, Israel, and the believing Gentiles who join them.
 
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Dave-L said:
Everything is exactly as God planned. Do you think he failed?
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Peter told us that God is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance".
It seems like you have not distinguished between God's perfect will and God's permissible will.
 
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Peter told us that God is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance".
It seems like you have not distinguished between God's perfect will and God's permissible will.
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“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9 (KJV 1900)
 
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You have the salvation sequence backward. God must first save a person before they can stop hating him and start believing him, responding in love.
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If you keep avoiding the question, we will not have any common ground to work with and you will demonstrate that you don't want to deal with the subject seriously
 
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“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9 (KJV 1900)
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There's no tension. They are both a legitimate translation and both are true, supported by the rest of the Bible
 
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If you keep avoiding the question, we will not have any common ground to work with and you will demonstrate that you don't want to deal with the subject seriously
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I would need to lie in order to do so.
 
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Diakonos said:
"For God so loved the whole world, that he gave His only begotten Son"
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Think like a Jew. All men, the whole world, all nations = God fulfilling the promise to Abraham. He never says each and every person.
 
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Dave-L said:
Think like a Jew. All men, the whole world, all nations = God fulfilling the promise to Abraham. He never says each and every person.
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The apostle John wrote his Gospel to an audience of gentiles with the most basic street Greek. Its meant to be read with a Gentile mindset.
Matthew however was written to a Jewish audience, meant to be read with a Jewish mindset.

And for the record, I am Jew.
 
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