Closing the Gap in Dispensationalism
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Accepting Christ is not a work. Its actually the cessation of a work.
Before a person is born again, they are always resisting the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51).
When a person stops resisting, the new birth happens. So you can't call it a work or an effort or a merit, its actually when someone gives up and surrenders. Its still the work of the Holy Spirit, but its the result of a person ending their resistance.
and......that's the end of Calvinism
Before a person is born again, they are always resisting the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51).
When a person stops resisting, the new birth happens. So you can't call it a work or an effort or a merit, its actually when someone gives up and surrenders. Its still the work of the Holy Spirit, but its the result of a person ending their resistance.
and......that's the end of Calvinism
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The Kingdom of God doesn't come with observation it says, is within us, not a matter of talk but of power, love peace and joy in the Holy Ghost and casting out devils Jesus said and has been growing for 2000 years now just like God said about the little rock that would crush the statue and would grow out to a big mountain. We have replaced a literal temple for a spiritual temple and a literal Jerusalem build with stone (which Paul in Gal.4 called bondage and Revelation called it Sodom and Egypt) for a spiritual Jerusalem that the Hebrews had come to now 2000 years it tells us in Hebrews 12:22.
2 Kings 6:17 shows us that Elisha's servant's eye were closed but Elisha was a spiritual man and obviously could see the armies surrounding them. May we all be able to see spiritual realm and operate from there. I have three of six my kids that can see in the spirit realm. Only a few months ago we realized that not only our 18 year, old our nine year old but also our three year old can see. We were standing on the market with our stall and next to us is always a druid who reads people's future. It was almost 3pm and I had taken my 12 year old, my nine and three years old with me to pick up their mum and help packing up. Suddenly the three year says pointing at the front entrance of the town hall...scary, scary. So my wife asks Samuel of nine what he can see and he says that he can see a big shadow. Five minutes later the three year old then point to the stage and says. "scary, scary!". So my wife interrupts my 12 year and nine year old talking and asks Samuel to look again. He said that there was an very big claw hanging at the ceiling. My wife then just tells it without anyone around us able to hear it "you have been seen, now go in Jesus Name" and my nine year old then start having a puzzled face, tilts his neck and bend over trying to see if it moved behind the high curtains at the ceiling on the stage. We told him:" that's the power of Jesus and you can do this to next time okay?"
Anyway, I always wonder how Adam saw God. Did God quickly materialize like Jesus did in natural flesh or....was Adam able to see in the spirit 24/7 (as we phase in and out and see God like Elisha and his servant could see....with his spirit man. This whole conversation I believe comes down to believing in a natural Kingdom or a Kingdom that doesn't come with observation as Jesus clearly said. Dispensationalism unfortunately has taken man things so over-literal while they know that the sun moon and stars didn't bow down before Joseph literally, they insist it is going to happen in Revelation. Just like the term "coming in the clouds" in Isaiah 19:1 referred to God coming in wrath so came Jesus in wrath against Israel in 70AD to destroy it using the Romans and the reason why the High Priest got so angry when Jesus basically told Him openly that He would come back to judge them. Those who pierced Him are dead in the ground for 2000 years now. We know from history how the Eastern gate opened up as well.
While there are many still waiting for a literal Kingdom to come down and can't see that it has been here for a long time; that there have been many saints that have been walking with Him in these last 2000 years and ruling and reigning from their seat from heaven. There are plenty of people that God uses in our day the same way He used Philip via translocation. Brother Andrew years ago already shared about his experience and there are many more. Just like raising the dead or healing the sick hasn't changed, translocation is just one other thing God still does today, as He doesn't change. I remember my pastor/father in law back in the ninetees sharing with us how he met several men in the heavens a few times and these men were pastors on earth still alive he said and that walked very closely with God. Only last year, when I heard the story how Ian Clayton met this lady in the heavens and they both had been sharing their heavenly experience to their congretations for two years, somebody who knew them both, brought them in contact with each other. I realized that this is all so much more real than I ever expected. Let's ask the Lord if He wants to open our eyes and give us insight how to rule and reign with Him from the heavens where we are seated. The earth is groaning and waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God the Bible says. Jesus said that He could only DO the things he SAW His father DOING. May it be the same for us.
2 Kings 6:17 shows us that Elisha's servant's eye were closed but Elisha was a spiritual man and obviously could see the armies surrounding them. May we all be able to see spiritual realm and operate from there. I have three of six my kids that can see in the spirit realm. Only a few months ago we realized that not only our 18 year, old our nine year old but also our three year old can see. We were standing on the market with our stall and next to us is always a druid who reads people's future. It was almost 3pm and I had taken my 12 year old, my nine and three years old with me to pick up their mum and help packing up. Suddenly the three year says pointing at the front entrance of the town hall...scary, scary. So my wife asks Samuel of nine what he can see and he says that he can see a big shadow. Five minutes later the three year old then point to the stage and says. "scary, scary!". So my wife interrupts my 12 year and nine year old talking and asks Samuel to look again. He said that there was an very big claw hanging at the ceiling. My wife then just tells it without anyone around us able to hear it "you have been seen, now go in Jesus Name" and my nine year old then start having a puzzled face, tilts his neck and bend over trying to see if it moved behind the high curtains at the ceiling on the stage. We told him:" that's the power of Jesus and you can do this to next time okay?"
Anyway, I always wonder how Adam saw God. Did God quickly materialize like Jesus did in natural flesh or....was Adam able to see in the spirit 24/7 (as we phase in and out and see God like Elisha and his servant could see....with his spirit man. This whole conversation I believe comes down to believing in a natural Kingdom or a Kingdom that doesn't come with observation as Jesus clearly said. Dispensationalism unfortunately has taken man things so over-literal while they know that the sun moon and stars didn't bow down before Joseph literally, they insist it is going to happen in Revelation. Just like the term "coming in the clouds" in Isaiah 19:1 referred to God coming in wrath so came Jesus in wrath against Israel in 70AD to destroy it using the Romans and the reason why the High Priest got so angry when Jesus basically told Him openly that He would come back to judge them. Those who pierced Him are dead in the ground for 2000 years now. We know from history how the Eastern gate opened up as well.
While there are many still waiting for a literal Kingdom to come down and can't see that it has been here for a long time; that there have been many saints that have been walking with Him in these last 2000 years and ruling and reigning from their seat from heaven. There are plenty of people that God uses in our day the same way He used Philip via translocation. Brother Andrew years ago already shared about his experience and there are many more. Just like raising the dead or healing the sick hasn't changed, translocation is just one other thing God still does today, as He doesn't change. I remember my pastor/father in law back in the ninetees sharing with us how he met several men in the heavens a few times and these men were pastors on earth still alive he said and that walked very closely with God. Only last year, when I heard the story how Ian Clayton met this lady in the heavens and they both had been sharing their heavenly experience to their congretations for two years, somebody who knew them both, brought them in contact with each other. I realized that this is all so much more real than I ever expected. Let's ask the Lord if He wants to open our eyes and give us insight how to rule and reign with Him from the heavens where we are seated. The earth is groaning and waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God the Bible says. Jesus said that He could only DO the things he SAW His father DOING. May it be the same for us.