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That is true.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
There is no difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament,for God gives the covenant and people have no choice but to obey it,and in the Old Testament they were cut off if they did not obey,and in the New Testament they will be cut off if they do not obey it,which is to obey God's commandments,and Jesus said if you do not obey His commandments you do not love Him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
That is the seal that people depart from iniquity.
God gave Israel the Old Testament and they had no choice but to obey it,and if they did not they were cut off.
God commands all people to repent and accept the New Testament,and the world has no choice but to obey it,and those that accept it and start off in the truth if they do not obey it later on and correct it they will be cut off.
But many people did not even start out right when they first confessed Christ,not truly repenting of their sins,but only past sins,and held unto sins thinking they were alright with God,and they were forgiven as they did them in the future,without letting the sins go,which it is not true repentance,because of the false teaching of their Church,which they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth but held unto sin and thought they were alright with God.
The Bible says sin separates us from God.
The Bible says if a person hates sin,and does not want sin,by the Spirit they can abstain from sin,and a Spirit led life is not under the law because their sins are forgiven and they are not sinning,therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution.
If they hold unto sin and will not give them up then they are under the law no matter how much they confess Christ.
They do not want to acknowledge the truth because they like some ways of the flesh,and worldliness,and do them and then want an excuse they do not affect their relationship with God.
But when they sin they enjoy the sin,for we do not sin and not enjoy it,for if we did not enjoy it we would not do it.
Therefore if they sin and enjoy the sin,then they are sinning on purpose,and wanted the sin,and they could of chose the good.
So why do they say they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God.
You see you cannot reach these people because they do not want to get rid of all sin,and they enjoy some things of the flesh,and worldliness,so that is the way they interpret scriptures.
So you are are fighting a losing battle for they will not hear,and do not understand,but you are fighting a winning battle that you are telling the truth.
Anybody that says they cannot abstain from sin,and sin daily and cannot help it,when the Spirit is available to them to have the same power as Jesus is not abiding by the truth,for the truth is they want to enjoy sin and then have an excuse they cannot abstain from sin.
And if they say sin does not affect their relationship with God,when sin separates us from God,and what seals the saints unto redemption is if they depart from iniquity,wants to enjoy sin but think they are alright with God.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
There is no difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament,for God gives the covenant and people have no choice but to obey it,and in the Old Testament they were cut off if they did not obey,and in the New Testament they will be cut off if they do not obey it,which is to obey God's commandments,and Jesus said if you do not obey His commandments you do not love Him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
That is the seal that people depart from iniquity.
God gave Israel the Old Testament and they had no choice but to obey it,and if they did not they were cut off.
God commands all people to repent and accept the New Testament,and the world has no choice but to obey it,and those that accept it and start off in the truth if they do not obey it later on and correct it they will be cut off.
But many people did not even start out right when they first confessed Christ,not truly repenting of their sins,but only past sins,and held unto sins thinking they were alright with God,and they were forgiven as they did them in the future,without letting the sins go,which it is not true repentance,because of the false teaching of their Church,which they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth but held unto sin and thought they were alright with God.
The Bible says sin separates us from God.
The Bible says if a person hates sin,and does not want sin,by the Spirit they can abstain from sin,and a Spirit led life is not under the law because their sins are forgiven and they are not sinning,therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution.
If they hold unto sin and will not give them up then they are under the law no matter how much they confess Christ.
They do not want to acknowledge the truth because they like some ways of the flesh,and worldliness,and do them and then want an excuse they do not affect their relationship with God.
But when they sin they enjoy the sin,for we do not sin and not enjoy it,for if we did not enjoy it we would not do it.
Therefore if they sin and enjoy the sin,then they are sinning on purpose,and wanted the sin,and they could of chose the good.
So why do they say they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God.
You see you cannot reach these people because they do not want to get rid of all sin,and they enjoy some things of the flesh,and worldliness,so that is the way they interpret scriptures.
So you are are fighting a losing battle for they will not hear,and do not understand,but you are fighting a winning battle that you are telling the truth.
Anybody that says they cannot abstain from sin,and sin daily and cannot help it,when the Spirit is available to them to have the same power as Jesus is not abiding by the truth,for the truth is they want to enjoy sin and then have an excuse they cannot abstain from sin.
And if they say sin does not affect their relationship with God,when sin separates us from God,and what seals the saints unto redemption is if they depart from iniquity,wants to enjoy sin but think they are alright with God.
I've noticed this is the new line of thought being expressed. "Being faithful is accomplished by loving obedience." Its an interesting transition to switch faith to faithful, so no longer is it belief in Christ but my actions towards and for Christ. The emphasis is what I do for Christ as an act of obedience, as the assurance given. Why must my confidence reside in my actions and not solely in my Savior? Is salvation not by grace through faith? Then what merit is there found in loving obedience?
That is a good answer, forgiveness is the first step in a long and perhaps highly emotional process. A mother may understandably hate the murderer of her child, how can she possibly, even if she wants to, convert those very natural emotions of loathing into a feeling of love for the murderer as we are commanded by Jesus who told us to love our enemies?
If faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God it wouldn't matter if you obeyed or not, since faith isn't obeying or disobeying- but hearing. And hope that is seen is not hope, for what a man seeth what does he hope for? So if one has has no hope in hearing what he can't see, then where is the faith in what he can see.
What remains of the law in Jesus Christ are the Ten Commandments and any laws which constitute caring for God and others..
Those such as not moving your eighbors land mark (to increas your ow land) and more. These are obvious to one who has received the Holy Spirit and hear Jesus, but I am afraid those who remain under that veil of Moses find the law impossible to understand under the teaching of Jesus, and even make it gibberish..
The easiest manner to undersand teh law now has become part of Love ist attempt to eliminate any of the Ten commandments as rubbish.......it simply cannot be done. God bless you.....j
PS..Good morning from down here...
Those such as not moving your eighbors land mark (to increas your ow land) and more. These are obvious to one who has received the Holy Spirit and hear Jesus, but I am afraid those who remain under that veil of Moses find the law impossible to understand under the teaching of Jesus, and even make it gibberish..
The easiest manner to undersand teh law now has become part of Love ist attempt to eliminate any of the Ten commandments as rubbish.......it simply cannot be done. God bless you.....j
PS..Good morning from down here...
If you read in the Word, in the NT, you will find it makes reference to the "works of God."
No believer is capable of manufactuing thowe woks, they must be given by God.
In one particular "miracle" I felt the Holy Spirit and the power of God come through me from behind and heal teh woma in my arms, desperate to be healed. That same power practically threw her out of my arms, but thanks be to Jesus, I had a strng grip on her.
I did not pass on words of knowledge to complete strangers becauswe I conjured them up, they were given me.
All too many coming into this particulasr thread are still seeing Moses through the veil, not having actually crosssed throught to the truth within.. Theyi continually make a real mess out of teh law and what it is since Jesus came and clarified it all.
If a person sees teh law still as a curse, he has not been freed by Jesus Christ's Sacrifice.
If the law is not a component of love, quite simply it is no more......Jesuis teaches this, but it falls on deaf ears especially for those who believe obeying would be anti-grace. Obeying is because of grace, for no one is able to obey without it.
No believer is capable of manufactuing thowe woks, they must be given by God.
In one particular "miracle" I felt the Holy Spirit and the power of God come through me from behind and heal teh woma in my arms, desperate to be healed. That same power practically threw her out of my arms, but thanks be to Jesus, I had a strng grip on her.
I did not pass on words of knowledge to complete strangers becauswe I conjured them up, they were given me.
All too many coming into this particulasr thread are still seeing Moses through the veil, not having actually crosssed throught to the truth within.. Theyi continually make a real mess out of teh law and what it is since Jesus came and clarified it all.
If a person sees teh law still as a curse, he has not been freed by Jesus Christ's Sacrifice.
If the law is not a component of love, quite simply it is no more......Jesuis teaches this, but it falls on deaf ears especially for those who believe obeying would be anti-grace. Obeying is because of grace, for no one is able to obey without it.
For all of you "love" folks who say the laws are no more..........read carefully.
Love is a law for us in two parts. If love were fulfilled, and it never will be, it would be no longer.
No law comprising love is "fulfilled." Tell me we are not to obey the law according to Jesus christ, and I will know you are left behind for the time being.........
Love is a law for us in two parts. If love were fulfilled, and it never will be, it would be no longer.
No law comprising love is "fulfilled." Tell me we are not to obey the law according to Jesus christ, and I will know you are left behind for the time being.........
Allow me to make it simple for you, since you have a hard time with the concept of being under the covenant of salvation by grace through faith. If you trust in anything else other than the shed blood of Christ for your salvation, you will never enter into the kingdom of God. If you have a spirit to boast before the Lord of keeping the ten commandments or keeping the Sabbath on Saturday, or by abstaining from certain foods as a requirement for salvation along side of Christ's sacrifice, etc., etc., you will not enter into the kingdom of God. We fulfill the law by trusting in Christ who fulfilled it, satisfying it completely on every believers behalf. It causes us to put our focus on Him and not on our works. Should we do works? Absolutely! Every true believer should be naturally zealous for Good works, but not to obtain or maintain salvation, but to glory God in them. And scripture also says that by our good works we are building up our treasures in heaven.
"For when I tried to keep the law, it condemned me. So I died to the law—I stopped trying to meet all its requirements—so that I might live for God. My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So I live in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die.
If your attitude is take any credit at all for salvation by your own efforts, scripture has made it clear that you will not inherit the kingdom of God.
By promoting the works of the law as requirements for salvation along side of Christ's sacrifice, you have become a false teacher and are part of the problem. You will be among those whom the Lord said will say "But Lord, Lord, did we not."
Repent and trust in Christ's finished work on the cross. Anyone who truly follows Christ will be keeping control of his body and is always examining himself, staying in step with the Spirit. However, if we sin as followers of Christ, if we fail at any of the commandments, if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Yet, those in Christ are not under the law.
It appears that you and other Judaizers will not understand this concept until the Lord makes it clear to you face to face.
"For when I tried to keep the law, it condemned me. So I died to the law—I stopped trying to meet all its requirements—so that I might live for God. My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So I live in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die.
If your attitude is take any credit at all for salvation by your own efforts, scripture has made it clear that you will not inherit the kingdom of God.
By promoting the works of the law as requirements for salvation along side of Christ's sacrifice, you have become a false teacher and are part of the problem. You will be among those whom the Lord said will say "But Lord, Lord, did we not."
Repent and trust in Christ's finished work on the cross. Anyone who truly follows Christ will be keeping control of his body and is always examining himself, staying in step with the Spirit. However, if we sin as followers of Christ, if we fail at any of the commandments, if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Yet, those in Christ are not under the law.
It appears that you and other Judaizers will not understand this concept until the Lord makes it clear to you face to face.
The laws that we are no longer under are the laws Moses wrote that brought punishment to all that was caught breaking them. God killed thousands of Isrealites because they broke a lot of those laws. People are not listening to what is being said about the law.The law is for sinners only, those who have not come to Christ Jesus, who removed us from under that law as we were no longer sinners. The law still exist today for sinners. The reason Jesus did not come to abolish it was because if he had, there would be no law,and the sinners would be blameless for their sins. The only way to come from under that law is by Jesus Christ. You have the law of sin, which is the old law and the law of God which is the new law.
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When we read the law, all of it, and we see laws that Jesus IS and has fulfilled, we know those oly apply in Him, and weh we see laws that do not build love,we may overlook them.........that is easy enough, but people make every thing so complex, even Love. Praise God for the mins of children, amen.
Something occurred to me now and I can actually just smile about it. I sometimes forget that I am speaking to people in a first world country with a different set of moral rules than us here in Africa. You see when you look at the diverse cultures in Africa it will make the hairs on your arm stand on end because the believes are totally different from Western believes.
Like take Ahwatukee and Gabriel20’s (A&G) comments about the law. I will give an example and maybe we can start to agree on certain aspects about law and grace. If I ask A&G will you have sex with your sister, your mother your cousin or nieces? The answer will be (hopefully) No. You are basically adhering to +-20 laws in Torah.
Now, let us ask this question to the guy working in my garden with a whole different set of moral rules and we might just run away. You see in a culture where these things are not frowned upon you need rules. If I give somebody a printed version of the New Testament I could hope that they will understand certain things and that theHoly Spirit will lead them in truth but where is God’s blue print?
Let’s use my gardener again. If I tell him do not rape or whatever he will ask me, why? He is not mature in Christ and without the true guidance of the Spirit because of his traditions, familiar spirits etc. God will not change His character for us. His word his true and without change, and without explaining Western rules to my gardener I can point him to God saying because He said no.
There are very little laws in Torah that cannot be explained and that is why it is so laughable.Every person should at least read Torah before deciding not to adhere to God’s word.
Like take Ahwatukee and Gabriel20’s (A&G) comments about the law. I will give an example and maybe we can start to agree on certain aspects about law and grace. If I ask A&G will you have sex with your sister, your mother your cousin or nieces? The answer will be (hopefully) No. You are basically adhering to +-20 laws in Torah.
Now, let us ask this question to the guy working in my garden with a whole different set of moral rules and we might just run away. You see in a culture where these things are not frowned upon you need rules. If I give somebody a printed version of the New Testament I could hope that they will understand certain things and that theHoly Spirit will lead them in truth but where is God’s blue print?
Let’s use my gardener again. If I tell him do not rape or whatever he will ask me, why? He is not mature in Christ and without the true guidance of the Spirit because of his traditions, familiar spirits etc. God will not change His character for us. His word his true and without change, and without explaining Western rules to my gardener I can point him to God saying because He said no.
There are very little laws in Torah that cannot be explained and that is why it is so laughable.Every person should at least read Torah before deciding not to adhere to God’s word.
I come from Africa, have evangelised in several Africa countries, and been involved in planting churches in three Africa countries.
Consequently, I am very familiar with the cultures of many ethnolinguistic groups throughout Southern Africa.
It has never been OK in these cultures to indulge in incest or rape women!
It happens (particularly in South Africa because it is currently a crime-ridden hole where crimes of all types prosper), but people who indulge in these activities, particularly in their own communities, will just be killed by their own communities.
Are there individuals with psychopathic traits who could care less about the cultures in which they live?
Sure!
And they are found in every society in the world - Australia has no shortage of these types (but they tend to spend a lot of time in prison here).
But to try and define a culture by these people is not only merely inaccurate, but highly insulting to that culture!
I have lived in black communities, both in South Africa and in Zambia and Zimbabwe, and in many ways I much prefer their company to arrogant, highly individualised and selfish westernised Anglo-Saxons!
For others who read the post I am responding to by GandalfThe White just take it from me that that what you are reading just represents his own narrow-minded cultural mindset.
I would just ignore his paternalistic racism as well as his legalism...
Consequently, I am very familiar with the cultures of many ethnolinguistic groups throughout Southern Africa.
It has never been OK in these cultures to indulge in incest or rape women!
It happens (particularly in South Africa because it is currently a crime-ridden hole where crimes of all types prosper), but people who indulge in these activities, particularly in their own communities, will just be killed by their own communities.
Are there individuals with psychopathic traits who could care less about the cultures in which they live?
Sure!
And they are found in every society in the world - Australia has no shortage of these types (but they tend to spend a lot of time in prison here).
But to try and define a culture by these people is not only merely inaccurate, but highly insulting to that culture!
I have lived in black communities, both in South Africa and in Zambia and Zimbabwe, and in many ways I much prefer their company to arrogant, highly individualised and selfish westernised Anglo-Saxons!
For others who read the post I am responding to by GandalfThe White just take it from me that that what you are reading just represents his own narrow-minded cultural mindset.
I would just ignore his paternalistic racism as well as his legalism...