Company to install microchips in employees

[Miri]

When you do not travel and you do not have a passport, when you do not drive and do not have a driver licence... you just show your bills?

And how do you get your passports, driver licence and utility bill in the first place?

Yes just your bills.


Here is an example of the ID needed to get job seekers allowance. (Umemployment
benefit). You need to provide family information to claim for them too.

Checklist when applying for Jobseeker's Allowance

Evidence of identity

You can provide evidence of your identity by showing your passport or your driver's licence.
If you do not have either a passport or driver’s licence, you should bring any other document tha
t you may have, particularly one that has your photograph on it.
The following documents may also be acceptable: credit card, debit card, medical card,
age ID card, work ID card, club membership card.
The following items are not accepted as proof of identity:

• Birth or Baptismal certificates
• Bills or personal letters

A claim cannot be decided until identity has been proven.
Evidence of address

You may be asked to show evidence of your address. You should bring any of the following documents:

• Recent bills from utility companies such as electricity, telephone (landline or mobile),
• gas, cable television, waste charges etc.
• Recent statements/letters from banks, building societies, credit unions, credit card
• companies or other financial institutions
• Recent letters addressed to you from insurance companies, local authorities, government departments or the Revenue Commissioners
• Local authority rent book, mortgage or leasing agreement.

Note: a recent document is one issued within the last 2 months. All documents must be originals, not photocopies.
If there is doubt about your address, the Jobseeker's Allowance claim is not awarded for payment until your address is verified.

 

[Miri]

A lot of the UK system is still based on trust and repercussions if you break that trust.

You don't need ID to set up utilities bills, just set up an account.

 

[trofimus]

Yes just your bills.

I must admit I do not get it.

When you change your adress, you are a new person?

There must be some identification that makes you you...

You can live in one city as John Smith, in another one as Peter Jenkins and when going to doctor you can say you are Albert Einstein?

 

[J7]

I heard that.....I can stay home and not leave...I have enough for 5 years...and can extend that to 7 or 8 if I smoke deer, turkey, rabbits etc......

Every cloud has a silver lining.

Sounds delicious. Is it hickory smoked?

 

[J7]

What about the Amish, they can live self-sufficient.

Gonna get me an Amish woman....wide hips, hard worker....

Not so great with potatoes though, I've heard its a bit of a mishmash

 

[trofimus]

What about the Amish, they can live self-sufficient.

Actually, homeless people also live outside of system.

Or you can move to any island or country that is not so "under light", like south America.

There is actually not much problem to "get out of the beast power", the biggest problem is our laziness.

 

[J7]

Nixon! Well I never..

No, you're spending your life preaching post-mil, which is just one of many possibilities, instead of God himself.

In the 1970's my husband helped his then-BIL to clear our BIL's mother's house. She had been Swedenborg most of her life and had died an old woman. Hubby got the "joy" of cleaning out chest space, that when all put together had roughly 8 feet by 2 feet by 3 feet of nothing but tracts in them. All the tracts were End-Times stuff. Here were the Antichrists according to her tracts:
The pope.
Mussolini.
Hitler.
Stalin.
Churchill.
The pope.
Castro.
JFK.
LBJ.
Khrushchev.
Brezhnev.
Nixon.
The pope.

She, too, thought she was doing God's will. What do you think her judgement was?

And... how are you any different?

 

[J7]

BINGO......ding ding ding....a winner here......exactly.....what would most men or women do if their children were starving to death or they were starving to death......???

I can tell you......today we will eat my child and tomorrow we will eat yours.....

2nd Kings 6:29 “So we boiled my son and ate him; and I said to her on the next day, ‘Give your son, that we may eat him’; but she has hidden her son.”

The True-Life Horror That Inspired Moby-Dick | History | Smithsonian

Cannibalism does occur in extreme situations

 

[wolfwint]

If the born of the SPIRIT of GOD person Is still here and they take the mark,will they be unsaved at that point or do they still have Eternal Salvation?

I would say, before this time comes we will be with the Lord.

 

[Miri]

I must admit I do not get it.

When you change your adress, you are a new person?

There must be some identification that makes you you...

You can live in one city as John Smith, in another one as Peter Jenkins and when going to doctor you can say you are Albert Einstein?

The system in the UK is based on trust, rather than mistrust.
The majority of the UK people are trustworthy. That's why it works.

For those who decide to break the law then they face the repercussions and that
trust is broken.

I remember someone saying that it would never work in Indian for example, as its such a
corrupt country at every level of society (he is a Christian from India). But it
does work in the UK. There is an old saying that an English man's word is his bond.
Many still live by it.

Yes there is a percentage of criminals just like any other country, but the average person
will not committ fraud.

The UK tends to be proactive in targeting criminals, but leaves the rest of the
population to get on with their lives and trusts them to do what is right.
Which is the way it should be, honest people should not have to
prove their honesty at evey transaction they make in their lives, every time they
move house, every time they drive a car etc,

Thats like the government saying we dont trust any of our citizens.

 

[trofimus]

The system in the UK is based on trust, rather than mistrust.
The majority of the UK people are trustworthy. That's why it works.

For those who decide to break the law then they face the repercussions and that
trust is broken.

I do not say it cannot work, I just do not understand how it works.

How you get driver licence or passport without proving who you are?

Also, you said that trust is broken, how it can be broken when you cannot identify such a person and he can live as somebody else the next day?

 

[trofimus]

The system in the UK is based on trust, rather than mistrust.
The majority of the UK people are trustworthy. That's why it works.

For those who decide to break the law then they face the repercussions and that
trust is broken.

I remember someone saying that it would never work in Indian for example, as its such a
corrupt country at every level of society (he is a Christian from India). But it
does work in the UK. There is an old saying that an English man's word is his bond.
Many still live by it.

Yes there is a percentage of criminals just like any other country, but the average person
will not committ fraud.

The UK tends to be proactive in targeting criminals, but leaves the rest of the
population to get on with their lives and trusts them to do what is right.
Which is the way it should be, honest people should not have to
prove their honesty at evey transaction they make in their lives, every time they
move house, every time they drive a car etc,

Thats like the government saying we dont trust any of our citizens.

How, for example, criminal records work, when any person can change identity so fast and easily (just to get a new driving licence or something)?

 

[Miri]

How, for example, criminal records work, when any person can change identity so fast and easily (just to get a new driving licence or something)?

I dont work for the police so I don't know how they work.

But people aren't as clever as they think, they always give themselves away.
Where I work it's easy to spot, people use the same terminology when filling out forms,
they use the same handwriting, they make the same spelling errors. They use the same names
they might have a couple but they stick that couple as they can't remember lots of names.
Most criminals aren't clever enough to get away with it, they may do for a short while but it
catches up with them.

Then there are finger prints. We don't have biometric ID, but finger prints get left on
most things.


There is no reason though why 100% of the population should be treated with
suspicion just because, I don't know the stats, but say for example 5% commit fraud.

 

[trofimus]

I dont work for the police so I don't know how they work.

But people aren't as clever as they think, they always give themselves away.
Where I work it's easy to spot, people use the same terminology when filling out forms,
they use the same handwriting, they make the same spelling errors. They use the same names
they might have a couple but they stick that couple as they can't remember lots of names.
Most criminals aren't clever enough to get away with it, they may do for a short while but it
catches up with them.

Then there are finger prints. We don't have biometric ID, but finger prints get left on
most things.


There is no reason though why 100% of the population should be treated with
suspicion just because, I don't know the stats, but say for example 5% commit fraud.

Is it the same or similar also in Ireland or Scotland?

 

[J7]

........ The UK tends to be proactive in targeting criminals, but leaves the rest of the
population to get on with their lives and trusts them to do what is right.
Which is the way it should be, honest people should not have to
prove their honesty at evey transaction they make in their lives, every time they
move house, every time they drive a car etc,

Thats like the government saying we dont trust any of our citizens.

You've obviously never had the misfortune to deal with British social services.

Britain is the same as everywhere else. It tracks people extensively, e.g oyster cards, has more surveillance per square foot than any country in the world, snoops on all private communication, legislates so excessively that starting a small business is almost impossible, has delegated enormous powers to a local level, ( and I am just scratching the surface). Tony Blair during his tenure passed more parliamentary Laws in one parliament than had been passed in all the previous 300 years of parliament. Nowadays you can scarcely fart without getting arrested.

 

[trofimus]

I dont work for the police so I don't know how they work.

But people aren't as clever as they think, they always give themselves away.
Where I work it's easy to spot, people use the same terminology when filling out forms,
they use the same handwriting, they make the same spelling errors. They use the same names
they might have a couple but they stick that couple as they can't remember lots of names.
Most criminals aren't clever enough to get away with it, they may do for a short while but it
catches up with them.

Then there are finger prints. We don't have biometric ID, but finger prints get left on
most things.


There is no reason though why 100% of the population should be treated with
suspicion just because, I don't know the stats, but say for example 5% commit fraud.

This can actually lead to much more control and watching than to just use some ID number.

You know.. your emails are red, your movements are watched, your handwriting, fingerprints, habits... they know about you much more, because they probably need to, to identify you and to know your history.

Thats probably why so many scandals with your secret services and general watching of all citizens and of all their activities...

So who knows what is better in the end...

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Do the words spoken here edify brothers and sisters or do they cause strife?

James 3:16
For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

1 Corinthians 10:24
Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.

Romans 15:2
Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.

Romans 14:19
Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

 

[GaryA]

Thats like the government saying we dont trust any of our citizens.

In the US, it seems closer to the truth to say that the government does not trust any of its citizens.

For those of you who understand what I am saying by making this statement ( this sentence, not the previous one ) -- in this post, I am referring to a "citizen" in the general sense -- and, not according to the "hidden 'corporation' system" that is based on the words 'citizen', 'person', etc. - and the ALL CAPS NAME of the individual.

ALL:

What exists in the US - that 99.99% of the population does not understand - is that - what seems "apparent" in the everyday activity of "public service" does not actually conform to the laws as they are actually written. In other words, a citizen actually has [ certain ] "rights" according to the way the laws are actually written - but, that they are "told" they do not actually have.

The way the laws are actually written, a citizen is not actually required to do many things that they are encouraged to believe that they are required to do. I will not go into this in this thread, because I do not wish to derail it. Therefore, I will start a new thread. Look for it in the Conspiracy & Corruption Discussion Forum. That is where it really belongs anyway.

However, to better understand what I am referring to, every US citizen should read The Citizens Handbook. If you look for it - make sure that it contains the 'Juror Rulebook' - or, that is not it. The internet market ( i.e. - amazon.com, etc. ) seems to be flooded with "1000 other books" called by the name "citizen handbook" - causing the one I am talking about to be pushed into obscurity ( so it seems ).

I believe you can find one at americanfreepress.net; although, I am not sure it is the original publication that I remember from years ago.

 

[GaryA]

I do not say it cannot work, I just do not understand how it works.

How you get driver licence or passport without proving who you are?

Also, you said that trust is broken, how it can be broken when you cannot identify such a person and he can live as somebody else the next day?

If you "trace" the idea you present here far enough, you will discover that - at some point - the "proof" is based on nothing-more-or-less than your 'word'.

The "proof" you are looking for - in order to get a passport, for example -- how do you "prove" that...?

The "proof" that you abide at a certain place of residence can even actually be made to be false. If you are 'verified' to be living at a particular abode - long enough to get the passport [ or whatever ] - then, you leave that abode -- then what?

What you are left with...

The only thing the 'law' can "charge" you with concerning that place of residence is failing to update their records upon knowledge of a change in your place of residence. ( And then, only if there is a provision for it - and, you agree to it. ) However, if that place of residence was actually your abode at the time of your request for the passport [ or whatever ] - then, your having put that information on the request to aquire said document cannot be held against you because it was true at the time.

So then -- someone can apply for something - get it - then make a change that would "invalidate" the 'official' document ( intentionally or unintentially ) ...

The point is --- what you end up with - in reality - "no matter how you cut it" - comes back to - the 'word' of the individual.

The 'true' nature of 'law' is based on 'honesty', and cannot be based on anything else. Anything else is not 'true' law.

And, because of this ( and other reasons ), the following statement "rings true" as a foundation for 'law' - what really should govern...

There is no reason though why 100% of the population should be treated with
suspicion just because, I don't know the stats, but say for example 5% commit fraud.

And, if this were truly the 'spirit' that 'law' operated on, the "suspicion" mentioned here would not exist.

Yet, it does.

The "face" of modern 'law' says "innocent until proven guilty"; however, the "operation" of modern 'law' says the exact opposite.

 

[hornetguy]

Whether a person believes the Bible,or not,the microchip will still go in to play,whether people think it is the mark of the beast,or not,for it is common sense.

The world wants things to operate smoother,and to cut down on crime,and technology will cause them to implement the microchip.

All information about the person will be put on the chip,and when scanned will come up on computer with a picture of them.

All financial transactions,paperless money,will be on the chip,which people will not carry cash,do not have to worry about losing cash,and cannot lose the microchip,and better than a card they can lose.

The microchip will be linked to satellite,and know everyone's location on earth,and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area,and how close to the crime scene,and can find lost people,and track down criminals.

It will cut down crime considerably,for many people will be afraid to commit a crime,knowing they would be found out,and they do not want to get rid of the microchip,for then they cannot buy or sell,but if they are on the run for a crime they cannot buy or sell,for if they scan the microchip it will come up they are a criminal,and an alarm might go off.

The world wants things to operate smoother,and easier,and cut down on crime,find criminals,lost people,etc,so it is common sense the world will implement the microchip,for technology will push them to do it,and they want to do it,for the whole purpose of technology is to advance,and they view the microchip as advancement.

Somebody's been reading too much Orwell, or watching Minority Report.....