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I'm curious now, how does your social security number work etc for needing it in
every day life?

In the UK if you need to provide proof of ID for anything, you are usually
asked for 3 forms of ID.

Something like a passport, driver's licence, utility bill with your name on it,
bus pass etc.


If you want to open a bank accout, you have to provide the above ID, but then you
are not asked for it again while conducting banking. You usually get a card of some kind,
debit/credit card cash machine card etc. So I suppose that becomes your banking ID.


Everyone has a national insurance number which is given out around the age of 15 or
so, to pay your national insurance. Sometimes you are asked for it when claiming
benefits or when you start a job. But other than that it's not used as a form of general ID.

We also are allocated an NHS reference number, for updating medical records.
So if you go to your own GP, or hospital, they can look up and update your medical records.
Many things are covered by the data protection act, your medical records included.

Then there is your tax code for paying taxes, or getting tax rebates, so yes there
are many paper trails. But the issue of carrying ID of proofing your ID for every day
life, doesn't seem to happen in the UK in the same was as the US.


If you always pay in cash (and many do) and don't need to see a doctor,
the only paper trail of your life would be where you work, how much you earn,
the deductibles you pay tax etc, and how much of your salary you draw out of the
bank. All of these things are covered by the data protection act, and can only be
disclosed to other organisations for things like crime prevention, criminal
activities etc. There are massive fines to people and organisations who break the
data protection act.

I work for a government department and we are forever getting training
on the data protection act and different catagories of date, sensitive, personal,
restricted etc. With severe warning signs of the consequences if we let people's
personal data slip put. Our UK government is terrified of the consequences of data
falling into the wrong hands! Although strangley there are high up leaks to newspapers
in politics! I think thats why they are scared. Lol

I think most of our ID pathways these days, we give away ourselves by the use
of Mobile phones, apps which give away location, apps like Facebook on which we
give away details of our lives etc. Apps which want to access your photos or send you
notifications etc.

On and then every 10 years there is a census. Generally used to plan for
housing, financial, medical needs etc over the coming years to track populations
changes in etc.

Regarding the data protection act, at any time you can go to any organisation and
ask them what information they hold about you. You can ask for it to be corrected
if it's wrong or you can ask for it to be taken out - whether they take it out will depend
on certain practicalities and necessities.

You can sue the government if your data protection rights are breached.


https://www.gov.uk/data-protection/the-data-protection-act




1. The Data Protection Act

The Data Protection Act controls how your personal information is used by organisations, businesses or the government.
Everyone responsible for using data has to follow strict rules called ‘data protection principles’. They must make sure the information is:

  • used fairly and lawfully
  • used for limited, specifically stated purposes
  • used in a way that is adequate, relevant and not excessive
  • accurate
  • kept for no longer than is absolutely necessary
  • handled according to people’s data protection rights
  • kept safe and secure
  • not transferred outside the European Economic Area without adequate protection
There is stronger legal protection for more sensitive information, such as:

  • ethnic background
  • political opinions
  • religious beliefs
  • health
  • sexual health
  • criminal records
Hey Miri,

You need a special wallet just for all your cards!

I can't believe you need so many...
It's unusual.
 
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Eventually it won't be optional but mandatory. It always tends to be introduced as a convenience and beneficial to sucker people in. Which is why the lord wants us to always have decernment so we dont fall for satans deception. Those who mock will be the first one to get the mark of the beast.
this would remove free choice and Satan will not violate free choice...
 
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I am curious..for those of you in other countries, is your government number required for credit cards and private banking?
In Italy we have something akin to the social security number.
Except it's not as private.
It's called: Codice Fiscale (a financial code)
on there are numbers which tell WHEN you were born and WHERE you were born.



Anyone can ask you the number and you have to give it.
For instance:

Phone company
Electric company
Banks
Schools
Internet purchases (YES!)
Medical visits
Tax Forms


ANYTHING!

No problem with identity theft yet.
Just wait till it starts and eventually it will.

All that's needed is this number and your address and you're good to go.

I hate having to give it out to everyone...
 

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The yUK has both a NI (National Insurance #) for tax, pensions etc and a NHS # for health care.
 
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this would remove free choice and Satan will not violate free choice...
What?! Satan is a democrat,( or in Canada Liberal). He's all for slavery.
 
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Ok Pick up your bible, if you can find it, and prove all of this wrong.
No trouble finding my Bible. I have one with me at all times.
I did not say "all is wrong".
Jesus is going to return, those saints who have already died will rise and receive a new body, and then those who are still alive will be changed. I Cor. 15
But before that great event happens, the Man of Sin will be revealed. II Thes. 2
At some point during the Man of Sin's rule, a mark will be required in the hand or the fore head.
Without this mark, no one will be able to buy or sell.
This is what the Bible teaches. This is Bible truth.
Much, maybe all that is added in this thread is pure speculation and opinion.
 
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No trouble finding my Bible. I have one with me at all times.
I did not say "all is wrong".
Jesus is going to return, those saints who have already died will rise and receive a new body, and then those who are still alive will be changed. I Cor. 15
But before that great event happens, the Man of Sin will be revealed. II Thes. 2
At some point during the Man of Sin's rule, a mark will be required in the hand or the fore head.
Without this mark, no one will be able to buy or sell.
This is what the Bible teaches. This is Bible truth.
Much, maybe all that is added in this thread is pure speculation and opinion.
So then, How do you say things will happen? Do you think the mark is an ink blot? He numbers 666 or a tatoo? What do you think?
 
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So then, How do you say things will happen? Do you think the mark is an ink blot? He numbers 666 or a tatoo? What do you think?
I stated what I know.
If I am still here when the mark comes, my Lord will give me the grace to say no.
It is a waste of my time to speculate.
 

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Because Revelation is a symbolic book, its quite an error to read this mark literally (and search for it in microchips, tattoos etc).

Mark on head = thinking as the beast wants.

Mark on right hand = doing what the beast wants.

The main problem is worshipping the beast instead of true God, not the technical issue of how will non-worshippers be isolated from business and society.
 
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I totally agree with you PrynceNY. The scripture says "He forces all, both great and small, etc." I believe the way in which he will force, is by making the other methods of buying and selling invalid, so that only his mark can be used to electronically credit and debit ones bank account. This will be that proverbial line being drawn in the sand. At that time there will no more gray area, no more fence sitters. If a person wants to continue having a job, buying their food, paying their mortgage, buying gas, etc. then they will have to receive the mark. Those who will not receive it will be those who fear God and know what the mark is. These will keep the testimony of Jesus and the word of God and will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark.

Regarding those who mock, we can only hope that God will open their eyes, allowing them to understand what is going on, so that they will join the ranks of the great tribulation saints.
Forcing here means to cause by choice....not mandate or else...Satan will not violate free choice...
 
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Because Revelation is a symbolic book, its quite an error to read this mark literally (and search for it in microchips, tattoos etc).

Mark on head = thinking as the beast wants.

Mark on right hand = doing what the beast wants.

The main problem is worshipping the beast instead of true God, not the technical issue of how will non-worshippers be isolated from business and society.
More speculation and opinion that can not be proven with Scripture.
 

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Forcing here means to cause by choice....not mandate or else...Satan will not violate free choice...
Hello Megiddo,

I totally agree, which I why I have always said that the false prophet "forcing" the inhabitants to receive the mark will be by making the other methods of buying and selling obsolete so that it forces people to make a decision to receive it in order to be able to continue electronically buying and selling or to reject it, which is what I mentioned in the previous post. Those who reject it will be those great tribulation saints who will know what the mark represents and will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark. If you read my post, I never said that it was by physical force, but by removing their choices for being able to credit and debit their bank accounts, leaving only that mark as an option.
 
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What?! Satan is a democrat,( or in Canada Liberal). He's all for slavery.

Contrary to popular Christian opinion and tradition, Satan only can deceive you....and nothing other than that....if you allow him to deceive you, then you enslave yourself in whatever works of the flesh you are serving....

1/3 of the Angles fell with them....which means they made a choice, they were not his slaves...Satan wants to be God, so he counterfeits everything of God, including free choice...

Eve fell for the deception, she was not owned....
 

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Because Revelation is a symbolic book, its quite an error to read this mark literally (and search for it in microchips, tattoos etc).

Mark on head = thinking as the beast wants.

Mark on right hand = doing what the beast wants.

The main problem is worshipping the beast instead of true God, not the technical issue of how will non-worshippers be isolated from business and society.
Or how believers will be isolated from society, by behaving in ways that are contrary to the world's ways. We are really see it coming to a head these days, with the left pretending to be tolerant so they can allow Islamic ideology into our lands while they spew hatred at anything linked to Christ. Satan seeks to counterfeit the will of God.
 
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The mark of the beast you cannot buy or sell without it. This RFID stuff conditions people for a cashless society having something inside them in order to buy and access certain areas. Other counties have been already conditioning people with it.
You are not the Bible. Again, prove biblically that "mark of the beast" has any remote similarities to this.
 

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Contrary to popular Christian opinion and tradition, Satan only can deceive you....and nothing other than that....if you allow him to deceive you, then you enslave yourself in whatever works of the flesh you are serving....

1/3 of the Angles fell with them....which means they made a choice, they were not his slaves...Satan wants to be God, so he counterfeits everything of God, including free choice...

Eve fell for the deception, she was not owned....
Interesting that we both spoke of the counterfeit of Satan at the same time... :D
 

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Hello Trofimus,

Because Revelation is a symbolic book, its quite an error to read this mark literally (and search for it in microchips, tattoos etc).
This is exactly one of the main problems as to why people misinterpret the book of Revelation. I call this symbolitis! There is no reason to approach the book of Revelation as being symbolic. It should be read in the literal sense until symbolism is obvious. If the literal sense makes perfect sense, then don't seek any other sense.

Mark on head = thinking as the beast wants.

Mark on right hand = doing what the beast wants.
The above is the teaching of seventh day advents. There is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to apply a symbolic interpretation of the mark. In addition, we are already seeing people being implanted with RFID chips under the skin of the hand, which would support a literal interpretation of the scripture. The fact that this is already happening exactly as scripture proclaims, gets rid of the idea of the mark on the forehead as figuratively representing "thinking" and the mark on the hand as representing "action."


This technology of people from Sweden and her sister countries and now beginning here in the US, is the evolution of what will become the literal mark in the right hand or forehead as a means of electronically crediting and debiting (buying and selling) of an individuals bank account.
 

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Or how believers will be isolated from society, by behaving in ways that are contrary to the world's ways. We are really see it coming to a head these days, with the left pretending to be tolerant so they can allow Islamic ideology into our lands while they spew hatred at anything linked to Christ. Satan seeks to counterfeit the will of God.
Yeah, I would not be suprised at all if islam will be the beast and Mohammed its prophet.

They are number one in killing Christians (and other religions) already.
 
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There are various definitions and links to the word Mark:

Noun: a line, figure, or symbol made as an indication or record of something. Synonyms: Symbol, sign, character, diacritic
Noun: a sign or indication of a quality or feeling. Synonyms: Evidence, stamp, property, peculiarity, indicator
Noun: a target. Synonyms: Objective, end, purpose, intention

Verb: write a word or symbol on (an object) in order to give information. Synonyms: Label, tag, brand, stamp
Verb: indicate the position of. Synonyms: Show, identify, designate, delineate, denote

Link word: Margin
Verb: provide with an edge or border

Link word: Edge
Noun: a quality or factor which gives superiority over close rivals
Verb: provide with a border or edge
Verb: move or cause to move gradually or furtively in a particular direction

Link word: Point

Link word: Puncture
Verb: cause a sudden collapse of mood or feeling (depress) Synonyms: Deflate, flatten, reduce (suppress)

Link word: Suppress
Verb: prevent the development, action, or expression of (a feeling, impulse, idea, etc.); restrain
Verb: prevent the dissemination of (information)
Verb: prevent or inhibit (a process or reaction)
Verb: consciously inhibit (an unpleasant idea or memory) to avoid considering it
 
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