Comparing Absalom to Lucifer

Magenta · Jul 17, 2015

"Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name."
He (Jesus) replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."

Was that a literal snake falling from heaven? Or are the demons
other angels that fell from heaven with Satan, himself a fallen angel?

"However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven."

Those spirits, referring back to the aforementioned demons... are they also snakes? Why would He call snakes spirits?

the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

A snake with a following of angels? Interesting...

From Job: And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

A walking, talking snake who is admitted to God's council and given permission to bedevil Job?

angel007 · Jul 17, 2015

GodIsSalvation said:

Let’s first take a look at Isaiah 14 shall we, this is a proverb that was taken up against the King of Babylon, as you read through this chapter. It shows God will have great mercy on Israel and the the kings of the nations along with the king of Babylon will have their place in the pit. Shows God bringing destruction on Babylon. Then when we get down to Is.14:12 it clearly says, “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!”

Yes Isaiah 14 is prophecy concerning the King of Babylon and Babylon itself, but these particular verses in Isaiah 14 beginning with verse 12 are speaking about Lucifer. For it is him that has weaken the nations, plus the king of Babylon was not at any time in heaven so that he could fall from heaven as Lucifer.

Let’s make another connection between satan and Lucifer, Is.14:15 says, (KJV) “Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.” In another version of the bible it says it this way, (ESV) “But you are brought down to Sheol, to the far reaches of the pit.”

Interesting a prophecy stating Lucifer shall be brought down into the pit (hell). Rev.1-3, “Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. / And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, / and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

Satan shall also be thrown into the pit just as lucifer, now let me show you another connection within these verses between satan and Lucifer. Satan is being thrown into this pit for a thousand years so that he might not deceive the nations any longer.

Is.14:12 says clearly that, “…how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!”

How did Lucifer weaken the nations? Maybe by deceiving them? Ummm, this is interesting stuff.

Now I want to make another connection for you about satan being an angel. Go to Rev.9:11. It says, “And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.”

This is not in anyway trying to get a discussion going on the fifth trump judgment nor about who this king seen mentioned here in Rev.9:11, I just want to point something out about the names of this king of this angel. Both names are one and the same just one is in Hebrew and the other in Greek. Let’s look at the meanings of these two names….

Abaddōn
ab-ad-dohn'
Of Hebrew origin [H11]; a destroying angel: - Abaddon.

Apolluōn
ap-ol-loo'-ohn
Active participle of G622; a destroyer (that is, Satan): - Apollyon.

Satan is a destroying angel!

You said…

That would be illogical wouldn’t it?

BUT 2 Cor.11:14 doesn’t say that no where in the verse that satan is not an angel, it says and I quote, “ And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”

Now I have already proven satan is an angel and have shown in many ways how satan and Lucifer are one and the same now think, Lucifer was an angel of light but he fell and no longer has that light he is now full of darkness and evil. He knows how to pretend or rather transform himself into looking like an angel of light, he use to be one.

Now if you like I’ll go into more detail and make the connections in Ezekiel also for you as I have in Isaiah 14.

GodIsSalvation you are getting down into gnostic beliefs, be very careful because one can be fooled very easily. We are to study rightfully dividing God's Word.

2Tim.2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

pwrnJC · Jul 17, 2015

I don't know where you got your information, but most assuredly, lucifer (satan) was created as an angel. Whether YOU classify him as an animal is YOUR assumption. Satan is a fallen angel for sure..for JESUS testified of it to the 70 HE sent out ahead of Himself to cast out demons in the regions that HE was going to. Animals do die. Satan does not die. He is conquered and cast into the Fiery Lake, but he has no soul, no bones, no death. He will forever remain in lasting torment. For you to claim that satan was never an angel is like saying Paul was never a Saul. IT is simply an important name change, signifying an inward change of habit.

GodIsSalvation · Jul 17, 2015

pwrnJC said:

Nay, it is no assumption, but the assumption is that Satan is an angel or fallen angel when in fact this is found no where in the Bible. The Lucifer Heresy is based purely on assumption that Satan and lucifer are one and the same when in fact Isaiah 14 clearly says that Lucifer in that prophecy is the King of Babylon. Furthermore in Ezekiel 28, the term lucifer is not used and that prophecy clearly says it is about the Prince and King of Tyre as well as Sidon.

Yet all the direct references to Satan are clear and unambiguous that the one called Satan and Devil is a dragon. A dragon is a type of animal. It is no assumption because Genesis 3:1 states clearly and umambiguously that the serpent was the most subtle beast of the field. Revelation also states very clearly that Satan is a dragon. Indeed animals do die, and the dragon that is called Satan and Devil will indeed die for it is written that when there is no place found for him anymore in heaven that he will be wrathful because he knows his time is short.

Saladin · Jul 17, 2015

GodIsSalvation said:

Read it again.

Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

This scripture does not say the serpent was a beast. It says that the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field.

Where did you get this stuff from?

angel007 · Jul 17, 2015

GodIsSalvation said:

Hon where does it say satan will die, Scripture doesn't say that, Rev.20:10 says, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

satan is going to be tormented for ever and ever, not die.

GodIsSalvation · Jul 17, 2015

angel007 said:

That be his second death and the second death of those that be wicked. The first be him being thrown into the Bottomless Pit. It proves the Lord is all powerful and merciful that he even gives the dragon a second chance, but of course, we know Satan will only rise out of it only to try to make war on God again being wicked and unrepentant, nevertheless he will lose.

GodIsSalvation · Jul 17, 2015

Saladin said:

For sooth it says right there Satan is a serpent and a beast. A serpent is a word for dragon, and this be confirmed in Revelation. Howbeit that you do not understand?

Saladin · Jul 17, 2015

Try to let the scriptures change your beliefs instead of letting your beliefs change the scriptures.

Magenta · Jul 17, 2015

GodIsSalvation said:

GodIsSalvation is more beautiful than any flower of the field.

Have I just called you a flower? Or have I said you are more beautiful than
any flower of the field? The answer is obvious for those with eyes to see.

GodIsSalvation · Jul 17, 2015

Saladin said:

For sooth that is what happened. Everyone before reading scripture hears tale that Satan is a fallen angel, is it not prevalent in popular media? Nevertheless whence I read the Bible the scripture told a much different story. The story of scripture makes sense comparede the the Lucifer Heresy (aka Paradise Lost by John Milton.)

Elsewise you have to show me where in Genesis that infamous story about Satan being an angel rebelling against God before the Garden of Eden story. It creates a gap which is not actually there in the Bible. The Bible shows that Satan is a serpent, even a dragon, and therefore there is no gap.

GodIsSalvation · Jul 17, 2015

Magenta said:

Lol a more appropriate analogy be if I said:

Now the pink-woman was more subtil than any woman of the website.

For in your analogy you are calling me by my screen-name but not by my form.

Another analogy be if you said: Now the rose is more beautiful than any flower of the field which the Lord God did make.

Magenta · Jul 17, 2015

Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon
as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them.

GodIsSalvation · Jul 17, 2015

Magenta said:

Aye, and even in that parable notice the enemy is an animal.

oldthennew · Jul 17, 2015

angle007,

very good scriptural connections - good, comparing Spiritual with Spiritual -

welcome to the forum, you think that (5) children TRY your PATIENCE???

again, GOOD JOB.

Saladin · Jul 17, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDwLkYTtVcI

You can hear every single scripture about Satan from the Packman. I really like this vid, beacause it shows how the book of Job actually takes place before Adam and Eve were created, and how he was made the ruler of Earth before the rebellion.

I want you to know, I'm also big about testing everything, and being skeptical about what's popular. But Satan being an angel/cherub is undeniable.

Magenta · Jul 17, 2015

GodIsSalvation said:

You read into Scripture what is not stated.

For we wanted to come to you--certainly I, Paul, did, again and again--but Satan blocked our way.

A snake again and again prevented Paul from carrying out his mission?

angel007 · Jul 17, 2015

GodIsSalvation said:

No no, God is not giving him a second chance. An angel comes down from heaven takes hold of the dragon and bounds him together where he can not get loose and throws him into the pit for 1000 yrs. No where does it say satan dies, not a first death or a second death. And after the thousand yrs should be fulfilled he will be let loose for only a short time.

Read Rev.20:1-3 very carefully

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

GodIsSalvation · Jul 17, 2015

Magenta said:

Nay. It is never stated in the Bible that Satan is an angel. It is stated very bluntly that Satan is a dragon. As I have said serpent is a word that means dragon.

angel007 · Jul 17, 2015

oldthennew said:

LOL

Thank you for the welcome!

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