Comparing Absalom to Lucifer
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For sooth the loosing is his second chance. Therefore it proves God merciful even to his worst enemy, but that God is also all-knowing and knows that when the dragon, that old serpent, is loosed what he shall do. God is also all powerful, notice in the verses about the final battle God defeats the dragon that is called Satan and Devil, with flawless effort.
I am glad to see you know God is all-knowing, all powerful and so very merciful, its all part of who God is. You need to stop leaning upon your own understanding and lean on God's. God's Wisdom is also all part of who He is. You are taking away and adding to His Word. and right now you have several people trying to point these things out and you're not wanting to listen.
I keep wandering if you believe the dragon is a literal fire breathing dragon. Do you?
I keep wandering if you believe the dragon is a literal fire breathing dragon. Do you?
I never said you did, either.
I am glad you can at least acknowledge that calling someone or something one thing does not mean they are not another thing as well. So you think dragons prevented Paul from carrying the message. Such a literal reading of Scripture must give you a very peculiar theology.
I am glad you can at least acknowledge that calling someone or something one thing does not mean they are not another thing as well. So you think dragons prevented Paul from carrying the message. Such a literal reading of Scripture must give you a very peculiar theology.
There are many comparisions made in the bible which allow us to glean truth...pictures, paintings, foreshadowing etc......Maybe not so much that Absalom was a comparison to Satan as much as it was that Absalom was lost and doing the works of his father.........Just like Jesus said to the Pharisees.....that they would do the works of their father the devil!
Nay, Jesus is all those things as it is written.
Is it peculiar to simply take the Bible as literally God-breathed scripture?
Aye indeed, peculiar we be then thanks to Jesus.
1 Peter 2:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Is it peculiar to simply take the Bible as literally God-breathed scripture?
Aye indeed, peculiar we be then thanks to Jesus.
1 Peter 2:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Whyfor say ye nay? For ye speak as one who denies what I myself have already said as if I said it not.
Ye speak as a deceiver, implying that which was in no way even hinted.
Ye can be as strange as it pleases ye to be. Howbeit, when ye twist the Scriptures beyond recognition, ye will no doubt draw the attention of caring brothers and sisters in Christ who may attempt to correct the poor exegesis ye present. Yet ye resist correction.
On another day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them to present himself before Him.
According to you, this dragon/snake keeps the company of angels. According to most others, this is more clearly identifying Satan as an angel than saying that the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. Notice it does not say more subtil than any other beast. No, it does not say that. If it said that, you might have a better case to make your snake into Satan. Alas.
People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast. What authority does a snake have, and how does a snake give authority?
Ye speak as a deceiver, implying that which was in no way even hinted.
Ye can be as strange as it pleases ye to be. Howbeit, when ye twist the Scriptures beyond recognition, ye will no doubt draw the attention of caring brothers and sisters in Christ who may attempt to correct the poor exegesis ye present. Yet ye resist correction.
On another day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them to present himself before Him.
According to you, this dragon/snake keeps the company of angels. According to most others, this is more clearly identifying Satan as an angel than saying that the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. Notice it does not say more subtil than any other beast. No, it does not say that. If it said that, you might have a better case to make your snake into Satan. Alas.
People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast. What authority does a snake have, and how does a snake give authority?
Nice post to OP, there is actually quite a lot in the bible of what happened before earth with Lucifer's rebellion. We know how He caused the war in heaven, we know what His job was in heaven. we know why he fell in the first place. we know how he got the angels to follow Him.
Part of the clue is in the sanctuary. also the Rebellion of Kora etc.
Part of the clue is in the sanctuary. also the Rebellion of Kora etc.
Supposedly there were 3 cherubs at one time, and each cherub was in charge of 1/3 of heaven's angels. This could be why there are now only 2 cherubs on the Ark of the Covenent (representing Michael and Gabriel), and why Lucifer was able to take 1/3 of the angels with him.
I really hope the Ark is found one of these days. I'm interested in seeing what the Cherubs looked like.
I really hope the Ark is found one of these days. I'm interested in seeing what the Cherubs looked like.
Firstly point is I say nay because Jesus is also a lion and a lamb and everything that is written about him in the Bible as it is written. (Lol also Wherefore=Why. Lol whyfor is not a word, but it does sound pleasant and would make sense, perhaps I shall add this to my vocabulary.)
Secondly, nay I deceive you not for you hath said "such a literal reading of Scripture must give you a very peculiar theology." Therefore do I ask of thee; is it peculiar to take the Scripture as literally God-breathed?
Thirdly, nay I do not twist scripture, but see it as it is written. Will ye correct the Bible?
Forthly you show me where it says Satan is not a dragon. Show me where it says he is an angel. I have asked this all ready and none can do it unless they do twist the scripture.
Fifthly, aye what authority doth the animal have? The man was not deceived by the animal, but the woman was.
Secondly, nay I deceive you not for you hath said "such a literal reading of Scripture must give you a very peculiar theology." Therefore do I ask of thee; is it peculiar to take the Scripture as literally God-breathed?
Thirdly, nay I do not twist scripture, but see it as it is written. Will ye correct the Bible?
Forthly you show me where it says Satan is not a dragon. Show me where it says he is an angel. I have asked this all ready and none can do it unless they do twist the scripture.
Fifthly, aye what authority doth the animal have? The man was not deceived by the animal, but the woman was.
Read the underlined parts of this passage and ask yourself: Is there any way this could be referring to a human being, or am I missing something? To say that this is only describing the king of Tyre, and not the spirit that leads Him would require you to have no common sense.
Ezekiel 28:12-14
Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "'You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings.
Ezekiel 28:12-14
Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "'You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings.
The first time you asked you tried to be deceptive and said "did a snake". The second time you mentioned you only said "so you think" making an assertion and statement.
To answer your deceptive question, nay the dragon did not prevent Paul from carrying out his mission, but he did try and did hinder him.
Nevertheless though Jesus prevails and the servants of God did reach them:
1 Thessalonians 2:1
For yourselves, brethren, know our entrance in unto you, that it was not in vain:
To answer your deceptive question, nay the dragon did not prevent Paul from carrying out his mission, but he did try and did hinder him.
Nevertheless though Jesus prevails and the servants of God did reach them:
1 Thessalonians 2:1
For yourselves, brethren, know our entrance in unto you, that it was not in vain: