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Re: Condemning the Signs & Wonder Movements and Allegations Against Pastor Bill Johns
Do Baptists and Roman Catholics have a high opinion of each other's religion?
I don't think most Baptists these days would condemn Pentecostals as not true Christians, btw. Salvation is not a matter of being a part of a religious denomination.
Do Baptists and Roman Catholics have a high opinion of each other's religion?
I don't think most Baptists these days would condemn Pentecostals as not true Christians, btw. Salvation is not a matter of being a part of a religious denomination.
Re: Condemning the Signs & Wonder Movements and Allegations Against Pastor Bill Johns
It is the sinful generation that seeks signs, while those who believe and have faith do expect signs and wonders in the last times.
Actually, those who truly believe may ask for a sign if and when it is truly necessary in God's will. In my time I was not certain of something on two specific occasions, that is concerning God's will for me, and though it appeared I had already seen a sign or two, I petitioned something specific, and God confirmed it with a sign...perhaps a wonder to some.
Now I have been uncertain about many things, but neer, except concerning God's will for me, but those two times, almost fifty hears apart.
Unbielevers seek signs, but wityhout faith they will only receive the sign of JOhna....
God bless you and all in Jesus Christ, amen.
It is the sinful generation that seeks signs, while those who believe and have faith do expect signs and wonders in the last times.
Actually, those who truly believe may ask for a sign if and when it is truly necessary in God's will. In my time I was not certain of something on two specific occasions, that is concerning God's will for me, and though it appeared I had already seen a sign or two, I petitioned something specific, and God confirmed it with a sign...perhaps a wonder to some.
Now I have been uncertain about many things, but neer, except concerning God's will for me, but those two times, almost fifty hears apart.
Unbielevers seek signs, but wityhout faith they will only receive the sign of JOhna....
God bless you and all in Jesus Christ, amen.
Re: Condemning the Signs & Wonder Movements and Allegations Against Pastor Bill Johns
Where do you get this idea from the Bible? Paul wrote I Corinthians in Greek. Greek was a lingua franca and the language of Corinth. There is no indication in Paul's epistle to the Corinthians that anyone there had difficulty understanding the language of Paul's letters or that speaking in tongues was for the purpose you describe. 'Divers tongues' is a manifestation of the Spirit in I Corinthians 12, and so is interpretation of tongues.
Where do you get the idea that tongues was for preaching 'sermons.' In I Corinthians 14:26, Paul writes, 'Every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation.' His commentary on this was 'Let all things be done unto edifying.'
So it is unlikely we are talking about long, 30 to 60 minute sermons unless their church meetings lasted for over a day.
If someone spoke in tongues and there was no interpreter, he was told to keep silent in the church.
The scripture says 'whether there be tongues, they shall cease.' Paul was waiting for the perfect to come. When the perfect comes, the speech, knowledge and understanding that Paul will have after it comes will make his speech, knowledge, and understanding that he had when he was writings these scriptures seem like a child's in comparison.
The Bible does not forbid speaking in tongues. Instead, it commands 'forbid not to speak with tongues.'
Speaking in tongues is for believers and for unbelievers.
For believers, speaking in tongues edifies oneself. With interpretation, it edifies the church. It is among the gifts given to the saints 'for the common good.' Speaking in tongues is also a sign to them that believe not in that, when they respond to it with unbelief, it fulfills 'and yet for all that, they will not hear Me.'
Where do you get this idea from the Bible? Paul wrote I Corinthians in Greek. Greek was a lingua franca and the language of Corinth. There is no indication in Paul's epistle to the Corinthians that anyone there had difficulty understanding the language of Paul's letters or that speaking in tongues was for the purpose you describe. 'Divers tongues' is a manifestation of the Spirit in I Corinthians 12, and so is interpretation of tongues.
Where do you get the idea that tongues was for preaching 'sermons.' In I Corinthians 14:26, Paul writes, 'Every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation.' His commentary on this was 'Let all things be done unto edifying.'
So it is unlikely we are talking about long, 30 to 60 minute sermons unless their church meetings lasted for over a day.
If someone spoke in tongues and there was no interpreter, he was told to keep silent in the church.
The scripture says 'whether there be tongues, they shall cease.' Paul was waiting for the perfect to come. When the perfect comes, the speech, knowledge and understanding that Paul will have after it comes will make his speech, knowledge, and understanding that he had when he was writings these scriptures seem like a child's in comparison.
The Bible does not forbid speaking in tongues. Instead, it commands 'forbid not to speak with tongues.'
Speaking in tongues is for believers and for unbelievers.
For believers, speaking in tongues edifies oneself. With interpretation, it edifies the church. It is among the gifts given to the saints 'for the common good.' Speaking in tongues is also a sign to them that believe not in that, when they respond to it with unbelief, it fulfills 'and yet for all that, they will not hear Me.'
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Re: Condemning the Signs & Wonder Movements and Allegations Against Pastor Bill Johns
Psalm 85 ...¶...Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other."...
"Thought" for this Day ...¶..."And 'righteousness and peace' which 'kissed each other,'--'righteousness' then art thou who didst bring all the mysteries through thy Father, the First Mystery which looketh within, and hast baptized this power of Sabaōth, the Good; and thou didst go to the region of the rulers and didst give unto them the mysteries of the Height; they became righteous and good..."... Is there agreement in Jesus and Belial? Need I say more?
Psalm 85 ...¶...Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other."...
"Thought" for this Day ...¶..."And 'righteousness and peace' which 'kissed each other,'--'righteousness' then art thou who didst bring all the mysteries through thy Father, the First Mystery which looketh within, and hast baptized this power of Sabaōth, the Good; and thou didst go to the region of the rulers and didst give unto them the mysteries of the Height; they became righteous and good..."... Is there agreement in Jesus and Belial? Need I say more?
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Re: Condemning the Signs & Wonder Movements and Allegations Against Pastor Bill Johns
yes, I most certainly do. You have been deceived by the LORD God. So was I. Until I learned about the Lord GOD. Do a Hebrew Word study on "elohim" perhaps the Most High will be Most Gracious to you as He has been to me. Brotherly love-john
yes, I most certainly do. You have been deceived by the LORD God. So was I. Until I learned about the Lord GOD. Do a Hebrew Word study on "elohim" perhaps the Most High will be Most Gracious to you as He has been to me. Brotherly love-john
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Re: Condemning the Signs & Wonder Movements and Allegations Against Pastor Bill Johns
You have brought nothing but confusion to Jesus. there is so much dissension because of false gospels. Or do you deny that "Christianity" is become a "laughingstock" to "many" and rightfully so. Do you not know that the Catholic Christians have more of God's Truth than you and "they" call you "tongue-waggers". The Catholic church desires to speak to people in "Latin". So, if "they" were to say something hard to believe "people" could not condemn "them" and make "sport" of the Priest' "Tongue-waggers" do the same. Or do you not "know" this to be True?
You have brought nothing but confusion to Jesus. there is so much dissension because of false gospels. Or do you deny that "Christianity" is become a "laughingstock" to "many" and rightfully so. Do you not know that the Catholic Christians have more of God's Truth than you and "they" call you "tongue-waggers". The Catholic church desires to speak to people in "Latin". So, if "they" were to say something hard to believe "people" could not condemn "them" and make "sport" of the Priest' "Tongue-waggers" do the same. Or do you not "know" this to be True?
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Re: Condemning the Signs & Wonder Movements and Allegations Against Pastor Bill Johns
This is an interesting thread. I see it was started a few years back?
I read the article connected to your link. I am somewhat familiar with some of what it describes, but it seems those involved with this movement are pretty far out there.
Is your main concern with Christians who do not verify if a supernatural occurrence is from God or not? I'm asking because, from reading the beginning of this thread, other comments and the way these groups seem to put prophets before the Bible, it might be so.
I also have a problem with unity before truth (#5) on that list and quite frankly, just the desire to experience something supernatural as proof of the existence of God is also very concerning to me.
This is an interesting thread. I see it was started a few years back?
I read the article connected to your link. I am somewhat familiar with some of what it describes, but it seems those involved with this movement are pretty far out there.
Is your main concern with Christians who do not verify if a supernatural occurrence is from God or not? I'm asking because, from reading the beginning of this thread, other comments and the way these groups seem to put prophets before the Bible, it might be so.
I also have a problem with unity before truth (#5) on that list and quite frankly, just the desire to experience something supernatural as proof of the existence of God is also very concerning to me.