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To be saved, one must believe in Jesus Christ. Not in the scriptures, not in the trinity, not in the holy catholic church, not in anything but Jesus Christ.
To be saved, to know that one is saved, the only witness that is true, that if of and from God, is the Spirit dwelling in our hearts.
If you wish to start the cult of trinitarians and say that everyone must believe in the trinity of God to be saved, say so now. Then we can go from there.
To be saved, to know that one is saved, the only witness that is true, that if of and from God, is the Spirit dwelling in our hearts.
If you wish to start the cult of trinitarians and say that everyone must believe in the trinity of God to be saved, say so now. Then we can go from there.
A
You can't start a trinitarian cult because the teaching of our one God in three persons fulfilling functional roles is the truth. Since it's the truth, it's not a cult teaching by default. The cult teaching is the one that denies this accurate teaching of scripture.
I guess you can call Jesus, the apostles, the early church fathers, their creeds, and all accurate Christians today cultists if you want to for believing what scripture plainly teaches but it's not accurate. You can call a donkey a rooster if you like. It's a free country.
Nobody to my knowledge has said that anyone here is not saved despite using the "H" word in discussions relating to church actions in church history though you seem to have taken it that way. I'm not saying that. Of course, I could have missed that post. It's been a flurry.
I guess you can call Jesus, the apostles, the early church fathers, their creeds, and all accurate Christians today cultists if you want to for believing what scripture plainly teaches but it's not accurate. You can call a donkey a rooster if you like. It's a free country.
Nobody to my knowledge has said that anyone here is not saved despite using the "H" word in discussions relating to church actions in church history though you seem to have taken it that way. I'm not saying that. Of course, I could have missed that post. It's been a flurry.
I think a thing that you havent noticed is that I never said anyone in particular was not saved! but what I am appalled at is professing Christians siding with and agreeing upon what basically is a false view of God.
Lol I like that VW, the cult of Trinitarians, well I would if it wasnt such a serious matter.
Anyhow I have never said you need to believe in the church to be saved, and initially when we are saved, if we are all honest we don't really know God, but we learn and come to see the truth more clearly through the guidance of the Holy Spirit In us and speaking to us through Scripture.
Jesus is after all the second person of the Trinity yet the same substance and attributes as the Father and Holy Spirit, so if you deny this (not you personally VW)... what Jesus are you believing in
As I say the big problem is those who say they have been saved for many years yet still with a full conscience and mind knowing scripture deny the trinity. because the important part is who God is and that of Course is a Triune God. people, who are new Christians etc might not know this i definatly would agree with you there.
The trinity is God, so when we say we believe in God, we should learn who God is and His attributes, it is also the duty of those who are older in Christ to nurture the young into these glorious things of God. But those who do know what the trinity is and still defiantly deny the substance and attributes of God well that is a different story altogether.
I did like that tho the Trinitarian club
Anyhow VW, Have a nice evening (or whatever time it is)
Blessings
Phil
Lol I like that VW, the cult of Trinitarians, well I would if it wasnt such a serious matter.
Anyhow I have never said you need to believe in the church to be saved, and initially when we are saved, if we are all honest we don't really know God, but we learn and come to see the truth more clearly through the guidance of the Holy Spirit In us and speaking to us through Scripture.
Jesus is after all the second person of the Trinity yet the same substance and attributes as the Father and Holy Spirit, so if you deny this (not you personally VW)... what Jesus are you believing in
As I say the big problem is those who say they have been saved for many years yet still with a full conscience and mind knowing scripture deny the trinity. because the important part is who God is and that of Course is a Triune God. people, who are new Christians etc might not know this i definatly would agree with you there.
The trinity is God, so when we say we believe in God, we should learn who God is and His attributes, it is also the duty of those who are older in Christ to nurture the young into these glorious things of God. But those who do know what the trinity is and still defiantly deny the substance and attributes of God well that is a different story altogether.
I did like that tho the Trinitarian club
Anyhow VW, Have a nice evening (or whatever time it is)
Blessings
Phil
I think a thing that you havent noticed is that I never said anyone in particular was not saved! but what I am appalled at is professing Christians siding with and agreeing upon what basically is a false view of God.
Lol I like that VW, the cult of Trinitarians, well I would if it wasnt such a serious matter.
Anyhow I have never said you need to believe in the church to be saved, and initially when we are saved, if we are all honest we don't really know God, but we learn and come to see the truth more clearly through the guidance of the Holy Spirit In us and speaking to us through Scripture.
Jesus is after all the second person of the Trinity yet the same substance and attributes as the Father and Holy Spirit, so if you deny this (not you personally VW)... what Jesus are you believing in
As I say the big problem is those who say they have been saved for many years yet still with a full conscience and mind knowing scripture deny the trinity. because the important part is who God is and that of Course is a Triune God. people, who are new Christians etc might not know this i definatly would agree with you there.
The trinity is God, so when we say we believe in God, we should learn who God is and His attributes, it is also the duty of those who are older in Christ to nurture the young into these glorious things of God. But those who do know what the trinity is and still defiantly deny the substance and attributes of God well that is a different story altogether.
I did like that tho the Trinitarian club
Anyhow VW, Have a nice evening (or whatever time it is)
Blessings
Phil
Lol I like that VW, the cult of Trinitarians, well I would if it wasnt such a serious matter.
Anyhow I have never said you need to believe in the church to be saved, and initially when we are saved, if we are all honest we don't really know God, but we learn and come to see the truth more clearly through the guidance of the Holy Spirit In us and speaking to us through Scripture.
Jesus is after all the second person of the Trinity yet the same substance and attributes as the Father and Holy Spirit, so if you deny this (not you personally VW)... what Jesus are you believing in
As I say the big problem is those who say they have been saved for many years yet still with a full conscience and mind knowing scripture deny the trinity. because the important part is who God is and that of Course is a Triune God. people, who are new Christians etc might not know this i definatly would agree with you there.
The trinity is God, so when we say we believe in God, we should learn who God is and His attributes, it is also the duty of those who are older in Christ to nurture the young into these glorious things of God. But those who do know what the trinity is and still defiantly deny the substance and attributes of God well that is a different story altogether.
I did like that tho the Trinitarian club
Anyhow VW, Have a nice evening (or whatever time it is)
Blessings
Phil
In Christ,
vic
C
Well I'm waiting for Consumed's reply I'll add that I accepted the rebuke to be more loving (even if I disagree with his position that all roads lead to the God of the Bible if he's actually teaching that they do) and thank him for that. Hey, I'm willing to admit I'm not perfect and God isn't finished with me yet . You'll hear less of the "H" word from me in the future though I still reserve the right to employ it in the historical sense of ancient and modern Judaism and Christianity (but without calling people names).
Honestly, I just want to know now if his statement:
"what part did you miss, the question of your denominatinal doctrination or the overstated view i hold dear to me that all roads lead to calvary at the foot of the cross to where we have access assured to us to the Father??"
means all religions lead to calvary at the foot of the cross to where we have access assured to us to the Father.
I want to know what the word "ROADS" means here from Consumed himself (not someone else trying to speak for him) so I can be sure I understand his position. Thank you and God bless. Consumed, please be good enough to clarify. Thank you brother.
. You'll hear less of the "H" word from me in the future though I still reserve the right to employ it in the historical sense of ancient and modern Judaism and Christianity (but without calling people names).Honestly, I just want to know now if his statement:
"what part did you miss, the question of your denominatinal doctrination or the overstated view i hold dear to me that all roads lead to calvary at the foot of the cross to where we have access assured to us to the Father??"
means all religions lead to calvary at the foot of the cross to where we have access assured to us to the Father.
I want to know what the word "ROADS" means here from Consumed himself (not someone else trying to speak for him) so I can be sure I understand his position. Thank you and God bless. Consumed, please be good enough to clarify. Thank you brother.
sorry i went out brother, my daughter is more important than this, it started over me asking where did Jesus call anyone a heretic, nothing sinister yet offended some. i have replied to your private mail as you requested a answer with a private message sent by you. feel free to post it on here too brother. i have nothing to hide, i stand out in the light. While i was at the park i asked the Lord if im being wrong with how i seen things, He asked me "what is the most important truth that matters most to me", i replied that He died on the cross for my sins, set me free so i can walk in the full assurance that God the Father calls me his beloved son too, co heir to the promise. Jesus replied to me, "all is good my precious child."
no debating just a kind word, no conviction to my spirit but joy and a fire burned in my heart literally, Holy Fire of God, He is a all consuming fire - hallelujah
and AOK, all religion do not lead to calvary, when have you ever seen a post or even heard in open chat rooms that i enspouse that view brother. Please brother, lighten up bro, you are a intelligent man tha t i do not doubt, wealth of knowledge, share His love bro giving it. In ministry we are taught not to go out of our way to tear people down because they dont get it, just love them thru it in kindness and meekness with a heap of fasting and pray attached.
I VW, I can agree with your wife for none us can fully comprehend the vastness of the glories of the Godhead.
Although I will politely disagree with you on views on God.. we have an authorisied view of God, God has given us it in Scripture. For us created beings to start imagining What God is in our own ways and methods is idolatry that is how important this issue is.
We simply are not at liberty to make our on view or image of God in our minds, for that in itself is a dangerous road because it simply is idolatry and not what has been revealed in Scripture by God Himself.
God has revealed His person in scripture By the Holy Spirit and the Spirit shows us this, we are denying the purpose of the Spirit by ignoring His revelation in Scripture By Doing this, God, through the Holy Spirit Inspired Scripture so that we may Know Him.
If we are left to our devices as fallen creatures with no yard stick things will always go pear shaped, That is why we measure everything by the yard stick of Scripture and not emotions or feelings or our imaginations. God has revealed Himself and His purposes in Scripture. we are not free to imagine who He is.
Blessings
Phil
Hi Israel, sorry I must have missed your post, it wasn't intentional. I think your right the Jews saw God as one God, the same as I do. At the same time there is a plurality to God throughout the OT, that is progressive. None in the historic setting really understood it. The same as the Messiahship they never really got that right, but close.
I read an article the other day, how some Jews/rabbis came to the conclusion on passages like Gen 1:26; 11:27 and Isa 6:8 there is no real agreement in early Hebraic litrature on the plurality and in later times 'plural majesty' or 'Talking to angels' where generally regarded as the interpretation in the Babylonian Talmud, Targumim and the midrashim.
Both these attempts are not convincng with the weight of proof. first of we are not made in the image of angels, and secondly in Biblical hebraic times there are no other examples of Monarchs using plural verbs or plural pronouns of himself.
So there where these ideas, but not fully developed, it is only when the fulness of time had arrived do we see this revelation as a whole. the Triune God.
Hope that helps a bit Israel especially concerning hebraic thoughts. Of course we do know that After Christ in later times the rabbis in no way will talk of pluralism, since Christianity.
Anyhow, have a good evening
Phil
I
Hi Phil,
I understand where you are coming from. That being said, I believe that good old God-given common sense when applied to scripture, keeps us firmly on the ground of truth. When God through Moses brought about the plaugues of Egypt, how was this accomplished?
Psalm 78:40-58
How oft did they provoke him in the wilderness, and grieve him in the desert!
41Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.
42They remembered not his hand, nor the day when he delivered them from the enemy.
43How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan.
44And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink.
45He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.
46He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust.
47He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost.
48He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts.
49He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
50He made a way to his anger; he spared not their soul from death, but gave their life over to the pestilence;
51And smote all the firstborn in Egypt; the chief of their strength in the tabernacles of Ham:
52But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock.
53And he led them on safely, so that they feared not: but the sea overwhelmed their enemies.
54And he brought them to the border of his sanctuary, even to this mountain, which his right hand had purchased.
55He cast out the heathen also before them, and divided them an inheritance by line, and made the tribes of Israel to dwell in their tents.
56Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies:
57But turned back, and dealt unfaithfully like their fathers: they were turned aside like a deceitful bow. 58For they provoked him to anger with their high places, and moved him to jealousy with their graven images.
We can learn alot from these few verses. God had smote Egypt by sending evil angels. God also led His people, Israel in the wilderness. How?
Exodus 23:20-25
Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
22But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
23For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.
24Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images. 25And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.
Again, as with the evil angels, we see that it is an angel who acts for God. This particular angel has Gods NAME in Him. And although it is the voice of the angel that Israel heard, the WORDS were God's and therefore holy.
What did Israel do to this angel?
Isaiah 63:9-10
In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
10But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
They rebelled against the angel of His presence. This particular angel is in the presence of the LORD. He speaks what he hears. What makes this spirit holy? He has God's name in him. The angel himself is not what makes him holy. It is the WORDS he speaks as it is only what he heard from God that makes him holy. Jesus, being of this very same holy spirit is as the angel was, states that it is not Him that does the works but the Father which dwells in Him. He too spoke God's word. Jesus states that His words are SPIRIT and is life.
God is a Spirit. That Spirit manifested Himself in the image that would be born of a woman by the name of Jesus. The Holy Spirit is as it was before; an angel speaking only what he hears.
Revelation 14:6-7
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
This angel is only speaking what he heard and glorifying Jesus through the preaching of the gospel.
I understand where you are coming from. That being said, I believe that good old God-given common sense when applied to scripture, keeps us firmly on the ground of truth. When God through Moses brought about the plaugues of Egypt, how was this accomplished?
Psalm 78:40-58
How oft did they provoke him in the wilderness, and grieve him in the desert!
41Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.
42They remembered not his hand, nor the day when he delivered them from the enemy.
43How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan.
44And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink.
45He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.
46He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust.
47He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost.
48He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts.
49He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
50He made a way to his anger; he spared not their soul from death, but gave their life over to the pestilence;
51And smote all the firstborn in Egypt; the chief of their strength in the tabernacles of Ham:
52But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock.
53And he led them on safely, so that they feared not: but the sea overwhelmed their enemies.
54And he brought them to the border of his sanctuary, even to this mountain, which his right hand had purchased.
55He cast out the heathen also before them, and divided them an inheritance by line, and made the tribes of Israel to dwell in their tents.
56Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies:
57But turned back, and dealt unfaithfully like their fathers: they were turned aside like a deceitful bow. 58For they provoked him to anger with their high places, and moved him to jealousy with their graven images.
We can learn alot from these few verses. God had smote Egypt by sending evil angels. God also led His people, Israel in the wilderness. How?
Exodus 23:20-25
Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
22But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
23For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.
24Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images. 25And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.
Again, as with the evil angels, we see that it is an angel who acts for God. This particular angel has Gods NAME in Him. And although it is the voice of the angel that Israel heard, the WORDS were God's and therefore holy.
What did Israel do to this angel?
Isaiah 63:9-10
In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
10But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
They rebelled against the angel of His presence. This particular angel is in the presence of the LORD. He speaks what he hears. What makes this spirit holy? He has God's name in him. The angel himself is not what makes him holy. It is the WORDS he speaks as it is only what he heard from God that makes him holy. Jesus, being of this very same holy spirit is as the angel was, states that it is not Him that does the works but the Father which dwells in Him. He too spoke God's word. Jesus states that His words are SPIRIT and is life.
God is a Spirit. That Spirit manifested Himself in the image that would be born of a woman by the name of Jesus. The Holy Spirit is as it was before; an angel speaking only what he hears.
Revelation 14:6-7
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
This angel is only speaking what he heard and glorifying Jesus through the preaching of the gospel.
It is evident that there is much division in the body of Christ. What is not acknowledged is why. When the body started, way back then, there were not the methods of instant communication that we have now, everything had to make its way by foot or horse, by messenger. Letters were shared and copied and carried from town to city to village. Because of the nature of God, that He is able to relate to every person in creation alive or dead, as an individual, all at the same time; it was inevitable that divisions would come. "God told me this," or "I see this from Paul's letter to us." Each person is right in what they see and hear, for it is from God by His revelation. And if understood that it is generally for that person, for their growth into Jesus, then there is no problem. And even in sharing what one has heard, again there is no harm, only good, because they are growing in speaking the words of God by His Spirit.
But when we forget that the bond which makes us one is His love in us for each other, and instead try to rely on commonality in all things, that we begin to slay our brothers and sisters, in the spiritual sense. I have known for a long time that hurts to the heart are more painful, more lasting, and eventually more damaging to the person and any relationships that they have. Even in their relationship with God. (I had a router with a 1" 2flute bit cut the back of my hand at 19,000 rpm, and while it hurt, I don't remember the hurt. I was betrayed and lied about by one I loved with the love of Christ, and it still hurts.)
When Jesus prayed for His sheep with His Father, He asked for us to be one in Him with these words:
And the glory which Thou hast given Me I have given to them; that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, that they world may know that Thou didst send Me, and didst love them, even as Thou didst love Me.
When Jesus gave us His new commandment, to love one another even as He has loved us, He said that by this, by our love for one another, that the world would know that we are His disciples. So just what is the glory that He has given us that is the same glory that the Father has given Him? It is love, love from the living God. Jesus said of His purpose that He came to lay down His life for the sheep, that no one takes it away from Him, but that He lays it down on His own initiative, that He may take it up again. And then He says the most amazing thing; For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it up again. Jesus laid down His life for us in His love for us. He had commandment from the Father to lay it down and take it up again, but He had to have love for us even as the Father loves us, such that He sent His Son into creation, to become a part of the very creation that is held together by Him, to lay down His life for that creation. For us. This is the glory which God has given Him, that He has given us, and in this glory we are one.
Paul said it best, that he would not ever come to a people with wisdom and enticing words of men. No, he came to people with the knowledge of Jesus Christ, crucified for all, in God's love. Why? So that their faith would rest on the power of God, and not on the wisdom of men. The wisdom of men will pass away. In truth, it is not wisdom at all, not as God has wisdom. God's wisdom is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy.
In conclusion, when we ask what sort of people we should be, the only reasonable answer in the wisdom of the Spirit of God, is those who are full of the glory of God, that is, His love.
But when we forget that the bond which makes us one is His love in us for each other, and instead try to rely on commonality in all things, that we begin to slay our brothers and sisters, in the spiritual sense. I have known for a long time that hurts to the heart are more painful, more lasting, and eventually more damaging to the person and any relationships that they have. Even in their relationship with God. (I had a router with a 1" 2flute bit cut the back of my hand at 19,000 rpm, and while it hurt, I don't remember the hurt. I was betrayed and lied about by one I loved with the love of Christ, and it still hurts.)
When Jesus prayed for His sheep with His Father, He asked for us to be one in Him with these words:
And the glory which Thou hast given Me I have given to them; that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, that they world may know that Thou didst send Me, and didst love them, even as Thou didst love Me.
When Jesus gave us His new commandment, to love one another even as He has loved us, He said that by this, by our love for one another, that the world would know that we are His disciples. So just what is the glory that He has given us that is the same glory that the Father has given Him? It is love, love from the living God. Jesus said of His purpose that He came to lay down His life for the sheep, that no one takes it away from Him, but that He lays it down on His own initiative, that He may take it up again. And then He says the most amazing thing; For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it up again. Jesus laid down His life for us in His love for us. He had commandment from the Father to lay it down and take it up again, but He had to have love for us even as the Father loves us, such that He sent His Son into creation, to become a part of the very creation that is held together by Him, to lay down His life for that creation. For us. This is the glory which God has given Him, that He has given us, and in this glory we are one.
Paul said it best, that he would not ever come to a people with wisdom and enticing words of men. No, he came to people with the knowledge of Jesus Christ, crucified for all, in God's love. Why? So that their faith would rest on the power of God, and not on the wisdom of men. The wisdom of men will pass away. In truth, it is not wisdom at all, not as God has wisdom. God's wisdom is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy.
In conclusion, when we ask what sort of people we should be, the only reasonable answer in the wisdom of the Spirit of God, is those who are full of the glory of God, that is, His love.
Thanks for the post VW. But I am sorry it certainly not good chrisrian advice, why?
Heres part of your statment:
"Each person is right in what they see and hear, for it is from God by His revelation. And if understood that it is generally for that person, for their growth into Jesus, then there is no problem. And even in sharing what one has heard, again there is no harm, only good, because they are growing in speaking the words of God by His Spirit."
This is a very dangerous statement to make indeed, especially for any young in Faith christians reading it. for you are essentially saying that whatever one belives it is ok, for that person has discerned it is from God. in essence you are saying that any belief aslong as the person says it was given to him by the Spirit it is good wisdom. Any Christian should be very careful about taking this view.
Scripture alone is the standard of truth and not what people hear in their heads or what they think is revelation, if you get a revelation or you think you have, you check it with Scripture.
Why?
2 Timothy 3:16 (English Standard Version)
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
And then it goes on to say, please take note everyone!
Verse 17:: 17that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
Self revelation, is foolishness, self edifying.
Blessings
Phil
You make an assumption from a verse of scripture, and this is much more dangerous than what I purpose. No where in the quoted verse does the writer state that the scripture is the standard by which we should judge all truth. Profitable is to mean that it is good to use. You make scripture to say what it does not say. Jesus said that when He, the Spirit of truth is come, that He would guide us into all the truth. So, somehow you have a problem with scripture, in that you make one verse to contradict what Jesus says.
The danger here is that there is no conformity according to man's measure, not without some standard which can be held in the hand and used to make everyone see the truth. But God's truth is not apprehended in this way, rather only division, which is obvious from the last 1700 years of church history. We are not very smart because we keep making the same mistakes, over and over again. The only hope of freedom from our recurring stupidity is reliance on and in the Holy Spirit. But the religious minded must have that comfort blanket to keep them safe, because to rely on the Holy Spirit, to rely on God, is scary. Well, unless we want to continue in our idiocy, that is what we must do.