Crossing the Red Sea
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Did you forget to take your meds this morning? God "covers up" His miracles? Blind people, deaf people, lame people, deformed people, demoniacs, all healed on the spot? Dead people brought back to life? Walls of cities falling down at a shout, fire from Heaven, water from a stone, staffs turning to snakes, the firstborn killed overnight, Jesus raised from the dead? (Only to mention a very few)
Would one consider a WALL of water... a wall taller than the tallest Person in that Army that pursued the Israelites? if its short, is it still a wall? from a physics standpoint. plus the wall of water.. is it equal in height as to HOW MUCH EAST WIND He was sending? mph? 40-50-60 mph? the slower the wind, a LESS chance the wall of water would be NOT VERY TALL, but here again, one is using natural law of physics to explain a Supernatural Event.. I'll take it on Faith, that He did what He did.. I know He did.. He can do Anything!
Actually both numbers are questionable. If you want serious discussion you have to establish your facts not just invent them. I sought to answer your question on its own terms. No one else apart from Dan has really tried. If you just wanted us to say what you wanted us to say don't put it on a serious forum.
The reason physics can never fully explain miracles like this is because the cause is a spiritual. The spiritual can cause physical effects though. This can even be proven. For example you can go right now and shower love on your wife. Love is spiritual. Expressing that love will cause a variety of physical responses within the woman. Physics can only explain the physical effects, but cannot prove or explain the cause since the cause is spiritual.
In the case of the Red Sea Crossing. The cause is God. God is spiritual. Physically, the effects were observed and recorded. The physical effects being the parting of the sea. So in much the same way as a happy wife, the physical effects were observed and recorded, but physics cannot explain the cause since the cause is spiritual.
In the case of the Red Sea Crossing. The cause is God. God is spiritual. Physically, the effects were observed and recorded. The physical effects being the parting of the sea. So in much the same way as a happy wife, the physical effects were observed and recorded, but physics cannot explain the cause since the cause is spiritual.
So you are suggesting that God's miracles are limited to these? How often do you see deformed limbs straightened immediately? Yet people are still healed gradually. There are good reasons in fact why sound could cause rickety walls to collapse. I have seen fire come down from Heaven. Water has been obtained from stones in the wilderness. The Egyptian staffs turned into snakes. The world has known of situations where large numbers were slain by pestilence overnight.
The difference is that in certain circumstances God brought it about and controlled it. We must neither deny it nor exaggerate it.
The difference is that in certain circumstances God brought it about and controlled it. We must neither deny it nor exaggerate it.
Exodus 14 tells us what happened, how it happened, and who caused it to happen........I will trust in the Word of God and not the wisdom of man.............but, that's just me
10 .) And when Pharaoh drew nigh, the children of Israel lifted up their eyes, and, behold, the Egyptians marched after them; and they were sore afraid: and the children of Israel cried out unto the LORD.
11 .) And they said unto Moses, Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in the wilderness? wherefore hast thou dealt thus with us, to carry us forth out of Egypt?
12 .) Is not this the word that we did tell thee in Egypt, saying, Let us alone, that we may serve the Egyptians? For it had been better for us to serve the Egyptians, than that we should die in the wilderness.
13 .) And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever.
14 .) The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace.
15 .) And the LORD said unto Moses, Wherefore criest thou unto me? speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward:
16 .) But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea.
17 .) And I, behold, I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen.
18 .) And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I have gotten me honour upon Pharaoh, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen.
19 .) And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:
20 .) And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night.
21 .) And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
22 .) And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
23 .) And the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them to the midst of the sea, even all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.
24 .) And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians,
25 .) And took off their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily: so that the Egyptians said, Let us flee from the face of Israel; for the LORD fighteth for them against the Egyptians.
26 .) And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen.
27 .) And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to his strength when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled against it; and the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea.
10 .) And when Pharaoh drew nigh, the children of Israel lifted up their eyes, and, behold, the Egyptians marched after them; and they were sore afraid: and the children of Israel cried out unto the LORD.
11 .) And they said unto Moses, Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in the wilderness? wherefore hast thou dealt thus with us, to carry us forth out of Egypt?
12 .) Is not this the word that we did tell thee in Egypt, saying, Let us alone, that we may serve the Egyptians? For it had been better for us to serve the Egyptians, than that we should die in the wilderness.
13 .) And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever.
14 .) The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace.
15 .) And the LORD said unto Moses, Wherefore criest thou unto me? speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward:
16 .) But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea.
17 .) And I, behold, I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen.
18 .) And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I have gotten me honour upon Pharaoh, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen.
19 .) And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:
20 .) And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night.
21 .) And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
22 .) And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
23 .) And the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them to the midst of the sea, even all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.
24 .) And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians,
25 .) And took off their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily: so that the Egyptians said, Let us flee from the face of Israel; for the LORD fighteth for them against the Egyptians.
26 .) And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen.
27 .) And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to his strength when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled against it; and the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea.
Let's see.... a half mile wide... allowing 3' wide per person, that would be 880 people abreast.
That would mean a bit over 2 thousand "waves" of people. (So, basically, 2,300 people in a line behind each of those 880)
I believe the Bible said 3.000 were baptized at Pentecost... in one day... AFTER listening to at least an hour's worth of a sermon that probably didn't begin till around 9 or 10 in the morning.
Nah, I don't see "a week" in there anywhere.
That would mean a bit over 2 thousand "waves" of people. (So, basically, 2,300 people in a line behind each of those 880)
I believe the Bible said 3.000 were baptized at Pentecost... in one day... AFTER listening to at least an hour's worth of a sermon that probably didn't begin till around 9 or 10 in the morning.
Nah, I don't see "a week" in there anywhere.
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No invention of his.. no a good post and interesting discussion.. as we see the natural man, try to explain a supernatural God, even I from my standpoint look at it from a 'natural Standpoint' even though I KNOW It is Spiritual and supernatural, and when trying to figure it out naturally... its obvious I cant.. lolz.. so I know its Supertnatural, not only from the in ability of trying to explain it Naturally, but because HE reveals those Mysteries to His Own... nothing wrong with this Thread.. some good discussion... thats all..
True but I was commanded to leave LOL Trouble is I'm English. I'm not good at submitting, except to God. I really have no problem with God doing it however He wants. BUT HE CHOSE TO USE THE WIND. I simply ask how He did it using His means. Surely that is what He wants me to do? I'm not a child watching a magician.
the LORD shall FIGHT for you, and Ye shall HOLD YOUR PEACE... ------------------>
I think that answers the question as to whether WE CAN EXPLAIN IT NATURALLY thru physics, you cant.. lolz.. I know from experience, just like this situation.. as the enemy pursues in, going to devour you.. nothing you can do or say, JUST STAND.. and rest on the Promise that He will and DOES FIGHT FOR YOU.. if GOD IS FIGHTING for you and you are His, He will do it supernaturally, most of the time He does, can He use natural things? Most definately! the Key is where the Illumination if coming from to 'understand the things of the Spirit and of God''... When God Fights for you and you are Called to STand and BE QUIET, you know His Supernatural Divine Hand of Grace is Active!, you do that by Faith... only God Himself can show you that.. Jesus the Christ, God manifest in the flesh, thru the Paraclete, His Anointing.. natural man and even myself, try to explain by the law of physics, science.. CANT, so we walk by Faith! indeed!