Daniel 11:37, The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew In Decent

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The Anti-Christ arises out of Europe.
Thats Right, but you know not its roots.

I work with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. Your entire message has nothing to do with the roots of antichrist according Scriptures, its your opinions and speculations, Rondonmon.

About the roots of antichrist John the Apostle said: (1John 2:v.18-19)


18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us (they apostatized up) , but they were not of us (false Christians); for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: (here the own Scriptures explain what kind of problem was existing within the Church of the Lord), but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us (Did you understand, Rondonmon?)

20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things (Here is the gift of discernment) . 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it (Aleluia!), and that no lie is of the truth.


The 10 horns (toes) are a DIVIDED Europe which could never cleave unto one another after Rome received the Mortal Wound (fell apart) as told in Rev. 13. and that wound comes via the Church with the Holy Spirit guiding us, the gates of hell shall not overcome my Church (Jesus said that......thus we were the mortal wound, we turned Rome from a Beast unto a conveyor belt of the Gospel of Jesus Christ).
What you wrote above has nothing to do with the Word of GOD - the Word is GOD - , but with your speculations and interpretations that are not true.

The 10 toes of iron mixed with clay have nothing to do with an divided EUROPE . The clay of the feet and 10 toes is specifically a reference with Israel, that is the clay really, the dry land, and the sea refers to the Gentiles nations, exclusively.


Satans plans were put on hold via the Beasts conquering Israel.
Satan plans are revealed in the Word of GOD.
According your own words, seems you think that Satan thinks what you think.


God gave the mantel over to the Gentiles, thus Satan couldn't kill off God's plans and word now by only doing away with the Jews.
This is another error from you. According the Word of GOD, it is written, Satan plans to sit on a throne in Jerusalem as the God of the Jews. He is the man of sin, the son of perdition; 2 Thessalonians 2:v.4 reveals who is him:

4 (It is he) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Jereusalem, the great city, is called spiritually Sodom and Egypt where our LORD was crucified: Revelation 11:v.8



You say:

"thus Satan couldn't kill off God's plans and word now by only doing away with the Jews".
Think well: How "could Satan now", as you said, by only doing away with the Jews" if Satan is their father, as JESUS said? John 8:v.44-45
44 Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.


The Gentiles were now on the God train, this threw a kink in Satan's plans. His Beast kingdom people were now disciples of God.
You need to have a better understanding and a true interpretation of the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.
 

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It doesn't say the God of Daniel's fathers.
It says the God of ((the antichrist's)) fathers.

So this passage is not proof that he will be a Jew. You're eisegeseting to say it does.
Your statement does not necessarily follow as fact by the scriptures you put.


I say this even while my position is that Judas will return and be that Evil Thing. And Judas, a Jew.
So the particular turn of phrase used in Daniel 11:37 may be corroborative but it isn't proof of your assertion.
That's true I looked closely at that too ... and yet I find it hard to think Ac can be anything other than a Jew.

Danny says speaking about the desecration of the temple "the people of the prince to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" now it was the Romans who destroyed the sanctuary so that would make Ac Italian .... perhaps Nero rediva as the ancient church believed ... I see science moving forward in leaps and bounds towards creating human life in test tubes ...
 

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The anti Christ cannot be a Pope. Every Pope has believed the Messiah was Jesus. That’s dogma. Dogma cannot be changed once it is promulgated.

It’s simply impossible for a future Pope to be that either. There is no way a priest can spend decades and decades doing his job while at the same time rejecting the divinity of Christ. There is no way that priest would not be expelled much less become a Cardinal that could be considered for election to the Bishop of Rome.
The man of sin ... Paul says ... will oppose everything god so called and everything worshipped as god.

He will be against all religion ... so he can't be the Pope.
 
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That's true I looked closely at that too ... and yet I find it hard to think Ac can be anything other than a Jew.

Danny says speaking about the desecration of the temple "the people of the prince to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" now it was the Romans who destroyed the sanctuary so that would make Ac Italian .... perhaps Nero rediva as the ancient church believed ... I see science moving forward in leaps and bounds towards creating human life in test tubes ...
In what sense though? The Levites who had lost their birth records on the return from Babylon were prohibited from serving as priests. Given they get so stressed about a red heifer - which is apparently a pretty commonplace beast - they are going to have some heavy lifting finding a genetic Jew. Can only be done through DNA I think, if that is reliable.............

So one has to wonder what a Jerusalem Temple Complex will really look like. I don't want to sound flippant, but
it has all the hallmarks of a Woody Allen film
 

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Thats Right, but you know not its roots.
Of course, I do, because unlike you and others I don't guess, the scriptures tell us as always, but the Pharisees of old were not hearing the arguments about the Messiah is born in Bethlehem, that he would come twice, once as a meek lamb led to slaughter, their eyes, like yours, saw only what they wanted to see "CONQUERING KING", thus they missed the truths.

So, Daniel 7 tells us he ARISES amongst the 10 (Europe) and that he is an Assyrian (Isaiah 10....which blows a hole in the whole Jewish Anti-Christ by itself). But the Little Horn is not just mentioned in Daniel 7 but in Daniel 8, this man has to fulfill ALL THREE Prophetic utterings to be the Little Horn/Man of Sin/Final Beast.

Daniel 8 is a very SIMPLE little Directional Box God gives us and tells us where this man CONQUERS FROM and CONQUERS TOWARDS, the whole Daniel 11 chapters is a DETAILED EXPLANATION of the machinations of the interworkings of the "Kingdoms" Alexander the Great left behind, is not a DETAILED EXPLAINATION of Persian and Roman kings who defeat and or fall to Greek Kings, it's ALL ABOUT the Greeks in general. When that finally gets in people's skull, they might, just might have a chance at seeing what God is telling us here. Thus END TIME King of the North vs. King of the Sout battle only covers the Landmass spoken about all along via the Cassander, Ptolomy, and Seleucid Kingdoms. The Lysimachus kingdom was a factor, but not a major factor in the old wars nor the end-time war.

The kingdom of Cassander (circa 358–297 BC), consisted of Macedonia, most of Greece, and parts of Thrace. The kingdom of Lysimachus (circa 361–281 BC), included Lydia, Ionia, Phrygia, and other parts of present-day Turkey. The kingdom of Seleucus (died 281 BC; later the Seleucid Empire), comprised present-day Iran, Iraq, Syria, and parts of Central Asia. The kingdom of Ptolemy I (died 283 BC) included Egypt and neighboring regions.

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So, Daniel 11 goes into great detail to tell us the INTER-WORKINGS of these Four Kingdoms and their battles amongst themselves. Meanwhile, Daniel 8:9 tells us which way the End Time Anti-Christ will Conquer TOWARDS.

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

Alexander the Great DIES, then there arises Four Kingdoms and BELOW ARISES the Anti-Christ/Little Horn, the same one spoken about in Daniel chapter 7 as ARISING out of the Fourth Beasts Head, here we get is lineage as per the Nation he arises from.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

This Anti-Christ/Little Horn CONQUERS TOWARDS the South and TOWARDS the East. God gave us a simple four-way directional box, where even a 5th grader can grasp these things if they are taught properly and if people get past the misdirections Satan throws out it is really, really simple, but only in the hindsight of being able to see what the modern nations now look like and how the players all act. This is why it was locked up until the very end times. Added information leads to added understandings.

We can now look t a European Map (BELOW) that has Iran and Iraq on it at the fringes and understand exactly what happens when this Dan. 8:9 PUSH comes, or when the Daniel 11:40-43 PUSH comes. He CONQUERS TOWARDS the East and the South, so looking about at the Four Kingdoms, who can Conquer TOWARDS the East and the South? Only Cassander or Greece, and thus who does he conquer in modern-day terms? Well, since Ptolomy is Egypt and her neighbor nations in Africa, he would have to conquer all of the nations in North Africa, and Israel (Conquers TOWARDS the holy land also) and he conquers TOWARDS the East also, which means he conquers the Skeucus areas from above, which are Iran, Iraq, and parts of Syria and a little of Eastern Turkey. So, does this sound about right? SEE BELOW !!

Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north (Anti-Christ) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries (PLURAL), and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land (Israel), and MANY COUNTRIES shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon (The Peta/Bozrah region ESCAPES because the Jews flee there.).

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt (Ptolemy) shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians(basically, ALL of modern-day Northern Africa) shall be at his steps.

So, this Little Horn/Anti-Christ out of this SMALL SUBSET of Four Kingdoms Conquers from the Northwest TOWARDS the East, South, and Israel, and let me tell you, show this directional box to a 5th grader and they could get this, the ONLY ONE of those Four Kingdoms that can Conquers from the Northwest is Greece or Cassander, and it's not even debatable. Thus he can only fulfill the Daniel 7 prophecy by coming up amongst the 10 (Divided Europe) and Greece just so happens to be in modern-day Europe, or the European Union, who woulda thunk it !! God's scriptures are 100 percent correct, but only when we understand he has t both ARISE out of the Fourth Beast AND ARISE out of one of the Four Generals Kingdom in the end ties, thus ONLY Greece fits both. People overcomplicate it, it's not that complicated to direct a four-way directional box tbh.

He is an Assyrian by blood also, thus he has to have roots from old via being of the bloodline of The Assyrians, which made up southern Turkey, Northern Iraq, and parts of Syria. Thus Turkey having a common border with Greece and the two nations having long-time relations, and some Greeks live in Turkey and some Turks migrated to Greece, thus a Turk could easily be born in Greece.

The answer to all three prophetic utterances is pretty obvious at this point. The Anti-Christ comes from the Assyrian bloodline and is born in Greece, and thus being born in Greece he's a European Citizen by birth, and thus he's eligible to become the President of the European Union.


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So, Daniel 7 tells us he ARISES amongst the 10 (Europe)
Daniel did not say the 10 are of Europe; You are saying that. But Daniel knew who were the 10 symbolized by the 10 toes of the feet that were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong(iron), and partly broken (clay). The clay represents a people which has nothing to do with Europe. If the truth is the main objective, or if the truth is what matters, then you need to re-study your suspect theory.
 
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... he is an Assyrian (Isaiah 10....which blows a hole in the whole Jewish Anti-Christ by itself). But the Little Horn is not just mentioned in Daniel 7 but in Daniel 8,
No, he is not an Assyrian man, so there will no blows a hole in the whole Jewish Anti-Christ by itself.

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Of course, I do, because unlike you and others I don't guess, the scriptures tell us as always, but the Pharisees of old were not hearing the arguments about the Messiah is born in Bethlehem, that he would come twice, once as a meek lamb led to slaughter, their eyes, like yours, saw only what they wanted to see "CONQUERING KING", thus they missed the truths.

So, Daniel 7 tells us he ARISES amongst the 10 (Europe) and that he is an Assyrian (Isaiah 10....which blows a hole in the whole Jewish Anti-Christ by itself). But the Little Horn is not just mentioned in Daniel 7 but in Daniel 8, this man has to fulfill ALL THREE Prophetic utterings to be the Little Horn/Man of Sin/Final Beast.

Daniel 8 is a very SIMPLE little Directional Box God gives us and tells us where this man CONQUERS FROM and CONQUERS TOWARDS, the whole Daniel 11 chapters is a DETAILED EXPLANATION of the machinations of the interworkings of the "Kingdoms" Alexander the Great left behind, is not a DETAILED EXPLAINATION of Persian and Roman kings who defeat and or fall to Greek Kings, it's ALL ABOUT the Greeks in general. When that finally gets in people's skull, they might, just might have a chance at seeing what God is telling us here. Thus END TIME King of the North vs. King of the Sout battle only covers the Landmass spoken about all along via the Cassander, Ptolomy, and Seleucid Kingdoms. The Lysimachus kingdom was a factor, but not a major factor in the old wars nor the end-time war.

The kingdom of Cassander (circa 358–297 BC), consisted of Macedonia, most of Greece, and parts of Thrace. The kingdom of Lysimachus (circa 361–281 BC), included Lydia, Ionia, Phrygia, and other parts of present-day Turkey. The kingdom of Seleucus (died 281 BC; later the Seleucid Empire), comprised present-day Iran, Iraq, Syria, and parts of Central Asia. The kingdom of Ptolemy I (died 283 BC) included Egypt and neighboring regions.

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So, Daniel 11 goes into great detail to tell us the INTER-WORKINGS of these Four Kingdoms and their battles amongst themselves. Meanwhile, Daniel 8:9 tells us which way the End Time Anti-Christ will Conquer TOWARDS.

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

Alexander the Great DIES, then there arises Four Kingdoms and BELOW ARISES the Anti-Christ/Little Horn, the same one spoken about in Daniel chapter 7 as ARISING out of the Fourth Beasts Head, here we get is lineage as per the Nation he arises from.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

This Anti-Christ/Little Horn CONQUERS TOWARDS the South and TOWARDS the East. God gave us a simple four-way directional box, where even a 5th grader can grasp these things if they are taught properly and if people get past the misdirections Satan throws out it is really, really simple, but only in the hindsight of being able to see what the modern nations now look like and how the players all act. This is why it was locked up until the very end times. Added information leads to added understandings.

We can now look t a European Map (BELOW) that has Iran and Iraq on it at the fringes and understand exactly what happens when this Dan. 8:9 PUSH comes, or when the Daniel 11:40-43 PUSH comes. He CONQUERS TOWARDS the East and the South, so looking about at the Four Kingdoms, who can Conquer TOWARDS the East and the South? Only Cassander or Greece, and thus who does he conquer in modern-day terms? Well, since Ptolomy is Egypt and her neighbor nations in Africa, he would have to conquer all of the nations in North Africa, and Israel (Conquers TOWARDS the holy land also) and he conquers TOWARDS the East also, which means he conquers the Skeucus areas from above, which are Iran, Iraq, and parts of Syria and a little of Eastern Turkey. So, does this sound about right? SEE BELOW !!

Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north (Anti-Christ) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries (PLURAL), and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land (Israel), and MANY COUNTRIES shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon (The Peta/Bozrah region ESCAPES because the Jews flee there.).

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt (Ptolemy) shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians(basically, ALL of modern-day Northern Africa) shall be at his steps.

So, this Little Horn/Anti-Christ out of this SMALL SUBSET of Four Kingdoms Conquers from the Northwest TOWARDS the East, South, and Israel, and let me tell you, show this directional box to a 5th grader and they could get this, the ONLY ONE of those Four Kingdoms that can Conquers from the Northwest is Greece or Cassander, and it's not even debatable. Thus he can only fulfill the Daniel 7 prophecy by coming up amongst the 10 (Divided Europe) and Greece just so happens to be in modern-day Europe, or the European Union, who woulda thunk it !! God's scriptures are 100 percent correct, but only when we understand he has t both ARISE out of the Fourth Beast AND ARISE out of one of the Four Generals Kingdom in the end ties, thus ONLY Greece fits both. People overcomplicate it, it's not that complicated to direct a four-way directional box tbh.

He is an Assyrian by blood also, thus he has to have roots from old via being of the bloodline of The Assyrians, which made up southern Turkey, Northern Iraq, and parts of Syria. Thus Turkey having a common border with Greece and the two nations having long-time relations, and some Greeks live in Turkey and some Turks migrated to Greece, thus a Turk could easily be born in Greece.

The answer to all three prophetic utterances is pretty obvious at this point. The Anti-Christ comes from the Assyrian bloodline and is born in Greece, and thus being born in Greece he's a European Citizen by birth, and thus he's eligible to become the President of the European Union.


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A Priest has very similar Sunday job functions as a Pastor in any Protestant Church. Are you saying your congregation wouldn’t be able to tell after decades of listening to him preach during the week and teach in Sunday school that he didn’t believe Jesus is the Messiah?
Believing is not enough. I went to Sunday School as a child. I was taught that Jesus was God incarnate, that He died and rose again as well as the usual Noah and the Ark, the fall, miracles and Peter walking on water. I believed all that. It made zero difference. As soon as I was old enough, I quit any church involvement. I was forced to go to an Anglican church for 3 years. That made me even more determine to avoid religion. I still believed the facts, and I called myself Christian on forms and the census. I was not born again at that time. Intellectual acceptance of facts is not faith.
 

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Abraham had two sons mentioned in Scripture by name.
The man of sin will be a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham by the hand maid not Isaac the son of promise.
He will not be a Jew, nor a Pope. He will be from Islam.
My theory (and that's all it is) is that Zionism, Islam and Catholicism will merge to produce an alliance of the world's "monotheistic" religions. There is a religion called "Chrislam" already. Some Catholic churches have readings from the Koran by Imams. Israel is getting friendly with some Muslim countries.

The real "god" behind all three religions is Satan, the god of this world. The Pharisees claimed to be descended from Abraham. Lord Jesus said that the devil was their father. Neither Islam nor Catholicism existed at that time. I have no qualms in saying that the power behind both is Satan. Zionism is as religious and anti the Lord Jesus as the Pharisees were in His day. We will see. If we stay close to the Lord and love truth, we will not be deceived.
 

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Daniel did not say the 10 are of Europe; You are saying that. But Daniel knew who were the 10 symbolized by the 10 toes of the feet that were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong(iron), and partly broken (clay). The clay represents a people which has nothing to do with Europe. If the truth is the main objective, or if the truth is what matters, then you need to re-study your suspect theory.
Yes, he did, you just do not understand it in full.

Dan. 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; AND IT had ten horns. (The Fourth Beast had 10 horns)

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn(Anti-Christ, the 7th Head of Revelation 13, which is why there are not 11 Horns in Rev. 13), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

So, the last Beast is a MAN with a MOUTH, and his kingdom is never passed on like all the other Beasts, he is cast straight into hell. Thus he's the 7th Head of the 7 Headed Beast and he has 10 Horns signifying he's the COMPLETE Beast of the Old Roman Empire. Which was the FOURTH BEAST which has 1O HORNS arise out of its Head. What part of the Roman Empire is now the E.U, do you not get? Especially when I show you he has to conquer from the Northwest via the four Generals in Dan. 8:9 and when I show who he conquers in Dan. 11:40-43. TBH, what I see is people with preconceived ideas, not willing to see the facts. I took it to heart when the Holy Spirit told me, "Ron, you guys already know it all" I felt God was telling me to SHUT UP and listen. He knows it all, and all those men I learned from for 30 years are basically nothing compared to the God of Abraham. So, I stood aside and said Lord, open my Red Seas. Amen.

The Clay represents the Broken Kingdoms that were once the Roman Empire Beast, they represent a DIVIDED Kingdom. The very words say this brother. The reason God didn't want Pharisees for disciples is it's HARD TO UNSEE or UNLEARN THINGS.

Dan. 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be DIVIDED; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron( think England, France and Spain world powers at varied times, but all DIVIDED) forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

In verse 44 we see that they even tried ROYAL MARRIAGE (The Seed of Men) but that didn't work either. Charlemagne, Napolean, and Hitler all tried to reunite the kingdom but to no avail. Royal marriage never worked, BUT.........as soon as Israel was reborn in 1948, the Council of Rome was formed and Europe was then REBORN as one nation over a period of time, of course..

The truth is it doesn't fit your understandings, but it's not my understandings, I rely on God, that's why I am in the know. That's why you have to take so long to reply, it's not a debate you can win, I understand that. :eek::coffee:.

No, he is not an Assyrian man, so there will no blows a hole in the whole Jewish Anti-Christ by itself.
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Of course, I do, because unlike you and others I don't guess, the scriptures tell us as always, but the Pharisees of old were not hearing the arguments about the Messiah is born in Bethlehem, that he would come twice, once as a meek lamb led to slaughter, their eyes, like yours, saw only what they wanted to see "CONQUERING KING", thus they missed the truths.

So, Daniel 7 tells us he ARISES amongst the 10 (Europe) and that he is an Assyrian (Isaiah 10....which blows a hole in the whole Jewish Anti-Christ by itself). But the Little Horn is not just mentioned in Daniel 7 but in Daniel 8, this man has to fulfill ALL THREE Prophetic utterings to be the Little Horn/Man of Sin/Final Beast.

Daniel 8 is a very SIMPLE little Directional Box God gives us and tells us where this man CONQUERS FROM and CONQUERS TOWARDS, the whole Daniel 11 chapters is a DETAILED EXPLANATION of the machinations of the interworkings of the "Kingdoms" Alexander the Great left behind, is not a DETAILED EXPLAINATION of Persian and Roman kings who defeat and or fall to Greek Kings, it's ALL ABOUT the Greeks in general. When that finally gets in people's skull, they might, just might have a chance at seeing what God is telling us here. Thus END TIME King of the North vs. King of the Sout battle only covers the Landmass spoken about all along via the Cassander, Ptolomy, and Seleucid Kingdoms. The Lysimachus kingdom was a factor, but not a major factor in the old wars nor the end-time war.

The kingdom of Cassander (circa 358–297 BC), consisted of Macedonia, most of Greece, and parts of Thrace. The kingdom of Lysimachus (circa 361–281 BC), included Lydia, Ionia, Phrygia, and other parts of present-day Turkey. The kingdom of Seleucus (died 281 BC; later the Seleucid Empire), comprised present-day Iran, Iraq, Syria, and parts of Central Asia. The kingdom of Ptolemy I (died 283 BC) included Egypt and neighboring regions.

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So, Daniel 11 goes into great detail to tell us the INTER-WORKINGS of these Four Kingdoms and their battles amongst themselves. Meanwhile, Daniel 8:9 tells us which way the End Time Anti-Christ will Conquer TOWARDS.

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

Alexander the Great DIES, then there arises Four Kingdoms and BELOW ARISES the Anti-Christ/Little Horn, the same one spoken about in Daniel chapter 7 as ARISING out of the Fourth Beasts Head, here we get is lineage as per the Nation he arises from.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

This Anti-Christ/Little Horn CONQUERS TOWARDS the South and TOWARDS the East. God gave us a simple four-way directional box, where even a 5th grader can grasp these things if they are taught properly and if people get past the misdirections Satan throws out it is really, really simple, but only in the hindsight of being able to see what the modern nations now look like and how the players all act. This is why it was locked up until the very end times. Added information leads to added understandings.

We can now look t a European Map (BELOW) that has Iran and Iraq on it at the fringes and understand exactly what happens when this Dan. 8:9 PUSH comes, or when the Daniel 11:40-43 PUSH comes. He CONQUERS TOWARDS the East and the South, so looking about at the Four Kingdoms, who can Conquer TOWARDS the East and the South? Only Cassander or Greece, and thus who does he conquer in modern-day terms? Well, since Ptolomy is Egypt and her neighbor nations in Africa, he would have to conquer all of the nations in North Africa, and Israel (Conquers TOWARDS the holy land also) and he conquers TOWARDS the East also, which means he conquers the Skeucus areas from above, which are Iran, Iraq, and parts of Syria and a little of Eastern Turkey. So, does this sound about right? SEE BELOW !!

Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north (Anti-Christ) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries (PLURAL), and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land (Israel), and MANY COUNTRIES shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon (The Peta/Bozrah region ESCAPES because the Jews flee there.).

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt (Ptolemy) shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians(basically, ALL of modern-day Northern Africa) shall be at his steps.

So, this Little Horn/Anti-Christ out of this SMALL SUBSET of Four Kingdoms Conquers from the Northwest TOWARDS the East, South, and Israel, and let me tell you, show this directional box to a 5th grader and they could get this, the ONLY ONE of those Four Kingdoms that can Conquers from the Northwest is Greece or Cassander, and it's not even debatable. Thus he can only fulfill the Daniel 7 prophecy by coming up amongst the 10 (Divided Europe) and Greece just so happens to be in modern-day Europe, or the European Union, who woulda thunk it !! God's scriptures are 100 percent correct, but only when we understand he has t both ARISE out of the Fourth Beast AND ARISE out of one of the Four Generals Kingdom in the end ties, thus ONLY Greece fits both. People overcomplicate it, it's not that complicated to direct a four-way directional box tbh.

He is an Assyrian by blood also, thus he has to have roots from old via being of the bloodline of The Assyrians, which made up southern Turkey, Northern Iraq, and parts of Syria. Thus Turkey having a common border with Greece and the two nations having long-time relations, and some Greeks live in Turkey and some Turks migrated to Greece, thus a Turk could easily be born in Greece.

The answer to all three prophetic utterances is pretty obvious at this point. The Anti-Christ comes from the Assyrian bloodline and is born in Greece, and thus being born in Greece he's a European Citizen by birth, and thus he's eligible to become the President of the European Union.


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Interesting stuff. The Assyrian trope is a bit tendentious. Where does this idea come from?
 
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The Assyrians scattered the Northern Kingdom circa 721BC. They were an extremely
violent and terrifying empire apparently. As for "Assyrian bloodlines" - lol.

Which whack-a-mole "Bible Scholar" has been punting this idea for gain?
 
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But the Little Horn is not just mentioned in Daniel 7 but in Daniel 8, this man has to fulfill ALL THREE Prophetic utterings to be the Little Horn/Man of Sin/Final Beast. Daniel 8 is a very SIMPLE little Directional Box God gives us
But you forgot Daniel 9:v.23 to 27.
 
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not necessirily virgin birth . just no semen involved . so the antichrist will be without the sin nature of man and will not attract the wrath of God when he seats in the temple at JERUSALEM to come .

The Jews are finicky people. They really look down upon everyone else because everyone else to them are Gentiles. So when we think of the Antichrist, it's safe to assume the Jews would not accept a Muslim, a Catholic Pope, An American, Russian, Asian, the list is very long here because they are Gentiles. It didn't take me long to understand this years ago. It always fascinated me Preachers were talking the Pope, they were writing books and making money on stupid and wrong idealism's. It's not only incredibly foolish to think the Jews would accept a Gentile as their Coming Messiah, but extremely incorrect in concept. In fact, with israel's newly elected Leaders and the immediate attack upon the Gaza Strip and breaking the Peace Treaty. Don't be shocked to see the emerging Temple being built sooner rather than later. and don't be surprised if the Elected High Priest or one coming won't be the Antichrist.

Simply put, the Jews will only accept as Messiah one of their own kind. That means it will definitely be someone with Jewish Heritage to fill the role of the Antichrist and Coming Messiah.
 
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8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn(Anti-Christ, the 7th Head of Revelation 13, which is why there are not 11 Horns in Rev. 13), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
"(which is why there are not 11 Horns in Rev. 13)" ???

But you forgot Revelation 13:v. 11 to 18.
 

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Interesting stuff. The Assyrian trope is a bit tendentious. Where does this idea come from?
Go read 5 verses in Michah 5:1-5, he's mentioned in verse 5, but this is the passage that speaks about Jesus being born in Bethlehem, so it's after the Assyrian Empire has gone. But in verse 4 we are told Jesus (a man born in Bethlehem) will be known throughout the land. Then in verse 5, it says this man shall be the peace (Jesus) when the Assyrian comes into the land and treads our palaces)

The go-to chapter for me however is Isaiah 10 (the very next chapter Isaiah 11, shows the Wolf lying with the Lamb, so it's the 1000 year reign of Jesus for sure). In Isaiah 10 we see this man called the Assyrian and are told God will break this yoke once and for all. LISTEN or WATCH for the INDIGNATION ENDING !! Those verses show us it's the 70th-week indignation finally ending.

Isaiah 10:5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation. 6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.

12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks.

20 And it shall come to pass in THAT DAY, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth(Israel REPENTS, and just like Zechariah, Isaiah calls it THAT DAY or the Day of the Lord).

21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. (Again, Israel REPENTS)

22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness. (God's Wrath at Israel is ABATED) 23 For the Lord God of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt. 25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.

26 And the Lord of hosts shall stir up a scourge for him according to the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and as his rod was upon the sea, so shall he lift it up after the manner of Egypt. 27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the ANOINTING.

The Assyrian is his BLOODLINE. The other two prophetic utterances I spoke of have to INTERSECT on a map. Only Greece fits. His nationality will thus be a Grecian of Europe, with Assyrian blood.

Just for kicks, the next chapter is Isaiah showing us the New Millenium.

Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

So, we get the yoke of the Assyrian being BROKEN, we get God's Wrath at Israel LIFTED, we get the Holy Spirit ANOINTING doing all this in Isaiah 10:27 and God in verse 24 telling Israel his indignation at them is about to cease. And THAT DAY is used, as is the DOTL. It's a pretty well-known fact that his bloodline is Assyrian, however, it's not mentioned except in like 2 or 3 places. However, Isaiah is a major prophet and the passage in Michah is where Jesus is prophesied to be born in Bethlehem, so that's top-notch also.

The Anti-Christ has like 35 names or mentions, Notice in Micah 5 we also see the Remnant of Jacob mentioned, THAY DAY, and Gid saying he will give the heathen His vengeance.

Bed time for me, barely awake now, LOL.