Daniel 12:11

phil112 · Jul 8, 2015

Grandpa, I'm not claiming to be, or have, anything that everyone else doesn't.
This came to me during a prayer/reading session one morn. I asked for light on a subject and as I followed that compulsion this topic started to appear.
I am open minded about these things. I, nor anyone I know, knows the full explanation/definition of Revelation.

I am confident that you are the only one here that approached this with an interest to see what exactly this post was about. Too many people believe something they have been told and have no idea if it is true or not.
As I have said before, one huge error people make is to take something as truth just because it can't be proven to be false. If it can't be proven to be truth either, I will wait 'til I have more knowledge and information about it before deciding.

Grandpa, Thank you very kindly for at least reading about it. As time goes across, it seems to me more and more likely that our spiritual battle the bible talks so much about is going to be christianity versus islam, and I truly believe this is where it started.
No one wants to believe it, yet they can't disprove it. Time will tell, but this is still a significant event in the history of christianity.

phil112 · Jul 8, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

Instead of devoting thought to disbelieving this posit of the op, why not open your mind and think. Look at it in the light of "what else makes more sense". Have you seen anything else that fit the prophecy better? This is actual history that is fact. It fits the timeline.
It may not be, but no one else has come up with anything with as much substance.

Grandpa · Jul 8, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

There is a temple in Jerusalem.

There is probably a "priest" (or whatever they would call them, Imam?) in that "holy" place right now.

If another temple was built in Jerusalem, like you are suggesting, then there must be a prophecy about 2015 weeks or whatever, to make sense. To me. I should add. I'm a simple, literal guy and a lot of prophecy makes very little sense to me.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 8, 2015

phil112 said:

So since this fits better it must be real? what if it has not happened yet, and is still a future event?

How should we look at prophesy, do we see it as that fits better than anything else so it must be real. or do we take prophesy as this is what God said will happen, anything short of this is not a fulfillment?

How does it fit the time line? In Daniels day or Jesus day? When was the 7 year period (if your timeline fulfills it, then the 7 years are over with) when was the great tribulation? where was the return of Chris tto put an end to this tribulation?

prophesy is more than just one passage of scripture, even the first advent fulfilled lots of prophesy throughout all the OT.

Maybe because it has not happened yet?

I can be open minded, and can investigate things, I investigated this and it does not seem to fit. because to many things which were supposed to occure with it never occured.

Can you be open minded and at least admit, maybe these events are yet future?

eternally-gratefull · Jul 8, 2015

Grandpa said:

when was that temple built? Just asking because I have never read about it.

then I would ask, Why are the Jewish priests preparing the for future rebuilding of solomans temple if it is already built? why are they looking for the heffers, the priestly garments, the furniture and decorations which were to go in the temple (they have been doing this for the past few years now)

Not sure what prophesy you mean about 2015 weeks. could you expound on that a little?

I love prophesy myself. and have studied it quite a bit, I was taught some wierd stuff growing up (like Israel will go back to be saved by the law in the future) which did not make sense, I went on a few year of studying up on these events.

I may be wrong, Not saying I know all things, (I personally believe we will know the literal event until it happens, and most of us may be wrong) but I think we can determine of things have already happened in the past or not. (I hope that makes sense)

Jasher · Jul 8, 2015

The Bible is a 6,000 year old Oriental book. In Daniels's time they did not write with Greek logic like we do here in the 21st century. Daniel here wrote this line backwards from what we would today. And there are other examples of these differences in writing style. Today we would write the earlier date first and the later date second.

If we were to write this in our culture today using greek logic we would probably write it like this...

And from the time that the the abomination that maketh desolate is set up and the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

But the main thing is the number of days that are in between these two events. The history of Josephus shows us which occurred first and last. Josephus records that the Daily Sacrifice Failed on Tammuz 17[SUP]th[/SUP] 70 AD. So it is just a matter of counting backwards 1,290 days to discover what was going on in the beginning of the count. 1,290 days takes us to Cheshvan 4[SUP]th[/SUP] 66AD. Tammuz 17[SUP]th[/SUP] is a very rock solid date and it is also a day of infamy in the history of the Jews.

On Cheshvan 4[SUP]th[/SUP] 66AD both events that Jesus told his Disciples to watch for were in place. The terrorist Zealot leader (Paul's man of Sin) had retreated into the temple and used it as a fortress against the Roman army of Cestius Gallus for three years. It was his army of some 30-40,000 troops that surrounded the city. And so with these two benchmarks in place the prophetic timeclock of Daniel began. After 1,290 days the daily sacrifice failed (Two Tamid lambs per day) and then just 45 days later the war ended on the 1,335[SUP]th[/SUP] day. (According to Daniel)

Cestius retreated the very next day Cheshvan 5th 66AD. It was at this point that the Christians fled the city while a majority of the Terrorist Zealots were out of the city pursuing Cestius. They only had about a week to escape. The terrorists were killing anyone that tried to leave the city. The Terrorists called them traitors and assumed that they would go over to the Romans if they left the city.

It's all there in Josephus.

the_sign · Jul 8, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

I've noticed that you use the verb form "prophesy" when you actual mean the noun form "prophecy".

It means a lot in communication to know and make that distinction.

KennethC · Jul 8, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

No I did not miss that part because Daniel 9:27 is within the 70th week, and the Lord was crucified at the end of the 69th week, so He can not confirm a covenant after he had been cut off. The one who confirms the covenant is in reference to the prince who's people destroy the temple, and not the Lord who is cut off before this event.

Go read the link I posted in #43 as it shows clearly by the bible why there is a gap between the 69th and 70th week....

I know some of you still want to deny how this works but it has been proven multiple times that the first 69 weeks lasted a total of 483 years.

phil112 · Jul 8, 2015

Jasher said:

I have read The Works of Flavious Josephus front to back. While it is an admirable work, and while it is a tome widely recognized as the most credible earliest history book it is still not without embellishment. The bible is certainly a more credible book. Again, you didn't approach this post with any interest in delving into the topic. You came in with a set mind and no proof to support your stance, and while you also have no proof to disprove me, you nonetheless felt compelled to dismiss the topic without study. That doesn't say much for your ability to discern now does it?

InSpiritInTruth · Jul 8, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

I never said the Jews or the Messiah Prince destroyed the city and temple, that's just your confusion of the scriptures. LOL Just as the people of THE PRINCE THAT SHOULD COME is speaking of the evil Prince of this world that Jesus said did come when he said "now is the Prince of this world cast out", and also the spirit of antichrist that the apostles confirmed did come already and was already at work in the world in many deceivers (people of the Prince of this world)

InSpiritInTruth · Jul 8, 2015

Here is proof again which temple was to be destroyed fulfilling the prophecy of Daniel and the abomination of desolation Jesus spoke of in case people are confused about looking for this in the future to be fulfilled.

Notice what Temple the apostles and Jesus were looking at with their own eyes, when Jesus went on to tell them of AOD prophesied by Daniel and the destruction of the Temple they were looking at WITH THEIR OWN EYES.

Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes, but in Matthews account the question and the prophecy is twofold, not only about the AOD and destruction of the temple they were looking at with their own eyes, but also about the end of the world.

Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Now to Luke's account to confirm what temple was to be destroyed fulfilling the AOD prophesied by Daniel.

Luke 21:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Beware of those who say there needs to be a future temple built in order to fulfill the prophecy of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, and confirmed above by Jesus. Clearly by all gospel accounts the temple the disciples and Jesus were looking at with their own eyes was the one that would fulfill this prophecy.

InSpiritInTruth · Jul 8, 2015

KennethC said:

What you think the Lord has to be physically present to confirm a covenant with his people? Truly you do not understand then what Jesus said here...

John 14:19 "Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also"

But according to your theology it is the Devil "Prince of this world" who confirmed a covenant? Wow! LOL Ken, you need to find a new teacher because your way off course with your understanding of scripture.

KennethC · Jul 8, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

No you are the one off course because what you don't understand is when this final prince of this world comes on the scene he is going to fool some to follow him as a false messiah. There would be no way of fooling believers (elect) if this man does not come in at first imitating the Lord.

He will come in with a false peace at first and confirm a covenant that will allow the Jews to return to obeying their temple laws, as another temple will be built by this time.

You keep placing the destruction of the temple and the A.O.D. as the same event, but they are not as they happen at different times. The only other thing that takes place with the A.O.D. in scriptures is the putting an end to the daily sacrifices.
I see you even did not go and look at the site I gave a link for where this prophecy was completely broken down to prove by the bible the gap between the 69th week and 70th week.

The first 69 weeks lasted a total of 483 years and this is proven by history !!! (69 x 7 = 483 years)

It is not my theory on this, as the bible, Jewish history, and the Jewish calendar all support this for anybody who is willing to actually look it up.

InSpiritInTruth · Jul 8, 2015

KennethC said:

You've already been deceived by rejecting the testimony of Jesus Christ concerning when the abomination of desolation and the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple (which they were looking at with their own eyes) would occur. You also reject the testimony of Jesus Christ concerning when the Prince of this world would be cast out, and when the spirit of antichrist would come.

Once again the words of God prove your doctrine is false, and is of men.

There seems to be a huge error going around about when Satan, the Prince that was forecast to come. As was also prophesied in Daniel, and when antichrist spirit was to come, and when the abomination that causes desolation (destruction of temple and holy city) was to be fulfilled.

Here is where the Prince was forecast to come in Daniel 9:26 “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”

This is the prophecy of the Prince, or Satan coming which was also confirmed by Jesus. Jesus said in Luke 10:18“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Jesus also said the Prince of this world is judged in John 16:11“Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.”

And again in John 14:30“Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.” And so again when is Satan judged, cast out, and when does hecome? John 12:31“Now is thejudgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”

And when Jesus said now, he meant now! Not some 1,982 years or so later. Alright, we have scriptural proof to confirm this, and Jesus’ own testimony to confirm this, and now the apostles testimony of the coming of antichrist spirit.

1 John 2:18 “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”

1 John 4:3 “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

2 John 1:7 “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”

Note, John says nothing about a single man being called “Antichrist”, but rather he tells us antichrist is a spirit which works in many. (many deceivers)

Need more proof? Notice when the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] beast kingdom is in place, and when Satan/ prince of this world/ Devil/ Red dragon is in place, and also cast out.

Revelation 12:3-5 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon,having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”

There it is, already in place ready to devour the child Jesus as soon as it was born. How much clearer can that be?

But wait, there is more proof in Revelation 12:5-9 "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

Same thing confirmed in Daniel 8:8-12 “Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.[SUP]9 [/SUP]And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.”

There you have it folks, these things concerning his coming is confirmed as being fulfilled by both Jesus Christ, the apostles, and scripture.

So is your theology based on the Truth, and also in line with scripture? Or is it based on a fanciful imagination of carnally minded men who do not understand the spiritual things of God?

eternally-gratefull · Jul 8, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

Do you want to talk about scripture or not?

I am speaking of the prince in Dan 9. are you not? Dan is told the people of the prince will destroy the city, then at a later date, that prince will confirm a treaty.

You do realise that sacrifice and burnt offering

1. Never took away sin
2. Was NOT done in accordance with Gods word in the day of Jesus
3. Was not stopped By jesus, but continued until 70 AD

so to say Jesus is the one who ceased sacrifice and burnt offering is not only not according to scripture. but historical record.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 8, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

Here is proof again which temple was to be destroyed fulfilling the prophecy of Daniel and the abomination of desolation Jesus spoke of in case people are confused about looking for this in the future to be fulfilled.

Notice what Temple the apostles and Jesus were looking at with their own eyes, when Jesus went on to tell them of AOD prophesied by Daniel and the destruction of the Temple they were looking at WITH THEIR OWN EYES.

Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes, but in Matthews account the question and the prophecy is twofold, not only about the AOD and destruction of the temple they were looking at with their own eyes, but also about the end of the world.

Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Now to Luke's account to confirm what temple was to be destroyed fulfilling the AOD prophesied by Daniel.

Luke 21:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Beware of those who say there needs to be a future temple built in order to fulfill the prophecy of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, and confirmed above by Jesus. Clearly by all gospel accounts the temple the disciples and Jesus were looking at with their own eyes was the one that would fulfill this prophecy.

here is further proof people study the word of God with their blinders on (in accordance with their belief system)

Dan was told the people of the prince to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary - fulfiled in 70 AD by Titus and the roman army

Dan was then told what happened after would be like a flood which would continue until war desolations which are determined are completed

Then Dan was told this prince (of the people) will confirm a covenant with many, and in the middle of the length of that covenant, will commit the abomination which makes desolate (desecrate the holy of holys with an unclean thing)

if the temple is not there, how could the inner sanctum be desolated by an unclean thing?

eternally-gratefull · Jul 8, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

lol. What sarcasm coming from one who can not read words and take them for what they say.

Why would Jesus make a covenant for 7 years. then break his own covenant?

lets get real why don't we?

eternally-gratefull · Jul 8, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

You've already been deceived by rejecting the testimony of Jesus Christ concerning when the abomination of desolation and the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple (which they were looking at with their own eyes) would occur. You also reject the testimony of Jesus Christ concerning when the Prince of this world would be cast out, and when the spirit of antichrist would come.

Once again the words of God prove your doctrine is false, and is of men.

There seems to be a huge error going around about when Satan, the Prince that was forecast to come. As was also prophesied in Daniel, and when antichrist spirit was to come, and when the abomination that causes desolation (destruction of temple and holy city) was to be fulfilled.

Here is where the Prince was forecast to come in Daniel 9:26 “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”

This is the prophecy of the Prince, or Satan coming which was also confirmed by Jesus. Jesus said in Luke 10:18“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Jesus also said the Prince of this world is judged in John 16:11“Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.”

And again in John 14:30“Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.” And so again when is Satan judged, cast out, and when does hecome? John 12:31“Now is thejudgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”

And when Jesus said now, he meant now! Not some 1,982 years or so later. Alright, we have scriptural proof to confirm this, and Jesus’ own testimony to confirm this, and now the apostles testimony of the coming of antichrist spirit.

1 John 2:18 “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”

1 John 4:3 “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

2 John 1:7 “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”

Note, John says nothing about a single man being called “Antichrist”, but rather he tells us antichrist is a spirit which works in many. (many deceivers)

Need more proof? Notice when the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] beast kingdom is in place, and when Satan/ prince of this world/ Devil/ Red dragon is in place, and also cast out.

Revelation 12:3-5 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon,having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”

There it is, already in place ready to devour the child Jesus as soon as it was born. How much clearer can that be?

But wait, there is more proof in Revelation 12:5-9 "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

Same thing confirmed in Daniel 8:8-12 “Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.[SUP]9 [/SUP]And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.”

There you have it folks, these things concerning his coming is confirmed as being fulfilled by both Jesus Christ, the apostles, and scripture.

So is your theology based on the Truth, and also in line with scripture? Or is it based on a fanciful imagination of carnally minded men who do not understand the spiritual things of God?

Matt 24 jesus tells us when the abomination will take place.

1. He tells us their will be famines, wars and rumers of wars. Nation rising against nation and kingdom against kindom. There will be great famines, disease. al; thjngs he stated are as birth pangs (the begining of sorrows.)

2. He then tells us what to watch out for. the abomination which daniel spoke of (which will occure AFTER these birth pangs)

3. He then says when he sees it, there will be great tribulation such as the world has never seen before or after.

4. He says this will be so great, if he did not return, no flesh (life on earth) would survive, but for the sake of the elect, HE will put a stop to it.

5. It will end with his return to earth.

Now do not tell people they need to find a new teacher, or are unlearned, then post stuff with proves you have not studied yourself. You make yourself look bad!

flob · Jul 8, 2015

Neither God nor I said 'lost.' You said that. As far as 'floating' or 'suspended,' I think that means 'separate' from the first 69 weeks. I'm trying to think of an analogy: Like Isaiah 7:14---9:6's prophecy has a fulfillment both around Isaiah's day.........as well as being long after him: namely Christ. They are separate fulfillments. So too, in a way, about 'Elijah' immediately preceding Christ. That was fulfilled with John who came in the same spirit as Elijah.........but will also be fulfilled (separately---long time afterward, 'floating, suspended') when the actual Elijah prophesies for 3 1/2 years before Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives.

God says the 70th week is separate. I believe it, whether I like it or not. And I understand it. Dan 9:26-27.
It's simple reading. It's not magic. Though many people might derogatorily (or in awe?) label some of the things Christ says and the Bible predicts as 'magic.' There's no magic to reading. Though it helps to turn to the Lord (2 Cor 3:16-17).
That's why God gave you and me a Book.

In regard to the last 7 years not having begun--------------if it's all over, like you say? Then 'great.' It's 'great' to know the history of Israel in this age is over. They've not been saved, nationwide, yet, all at once. Those who've survived.
Which is the end of the 7 years. Nor do I see either now or anywhere in history a covenant between a Prince of Rome and
'many' for 7 years, by its terms, from the outset, involving Daniel's people.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 8, 2015

a good way to look at a gap is like this.

Prophesy is given in a straight line order of events which will happen in the future. As one looks it the prophesy, they may see one mountain with some peaks and small valleys/ But as we start to look at it from the side, we see it actually was two mountains, separated by a gulf. which was impossible to see until those prophetic events actually took place.

Daniel 12:11

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