Daniel is out of chronological order.

[eternally-gratefull]

So the two witnesses are two churches

So a Christian church and a non-Christian church that’s compiled of unbelieving Jews?

What?, is one going to preach, believe on the lord Jesus and you will be saved, and he comes in the clouds at the last trumpet?

What’s the unbelieving Jews going to preach? That Jesus is not the Lord of lords, and King of kings.

And that you are not necessary antichrist if you don’t confess Jesus with your mouth

And he that confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Is NOT a deceiver and an antichrist.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

And he is NOT a liar that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? And NOT antichrist


1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist

What are they going to preach when someone asks them about Jesus and salvation and the end of the world?

(He that winneth souls is wise) but they can’t even do that now can they.

There is only one body the church and it’s the Christian church, for there is on other that can bear any fruit.

John 15:5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Again with the symbology. There is nothing symbolic about it, the two witnesses are two people. Who are killed, left on the streets for the word to see. And risen from the dead and ascend into heaven. I believe God uses this to start a huge revival of people to the true god. and away from the world religion (empire) which is trying to destroy the world

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So the Jews say Jehovah and we say Jesus. Is it correct to say that Jehovah guided Jews to the promised Land, as Jesus guides Christians to the promised Land?

they are one and the same For those of us to look back to his death (jew or Gentile), for those looking for him to still come. they are worshiping a different jehovah

 

[SarahM777]

Im amazed someone can build such a building in midair.

You have never built castles in the sky?

 

[zone]

Im amazed someone can build such a building in midair.

 

[zone]

Acts 4:11
This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.

 

[cfultz3]

they are one and the same For those of us to look back to his death (jew or Gentile), for those looking for him to still come. they are worshiping a different [J]ehovah

When you say that they worship a different Jehovah, are you saying that there are more than one Jehovah? If Jesus is Jehovah, then how is He another Jehovah?

 

[Therapon]

proven? proven how? the two witnesses are two poeple. And that have saved by the blood. they are a witness to Christ against the antichrist.. I hope I misread you here

Let me ask you three questions that only require yes or no answers . . .

1. Are the two witnesses of Revelation11:3-4 called two candlesticks and two olive trees? Yes or no?
2. Does Revelation 1:20 state that candlesticks are churches? Yes or no?
3. Does Romans 11:24-25 show two olive trees to be Jewish and Gentile peoples? Yes or no?

There is your proof, but getting you to accept it would be daunting task, indeed.

 

[Abiding]

what are you talking about? 2 Olive trees?

 

[Therapon]

When you say that they worship a different Jehovah, are you saying that there are more than one Jehovah? If Jesus is Jehovah, then how is He another Jehovah?

I'm cracking up, there is only one God and one sacrificial lamb. Since Jews worship the God of the Old Testament, they worship the same God we do; the only difference between us being, they are looking for their Messiah to appear for His 1st time while we stians are looking for His 2nd. Some people force Scripture or history to fit their doctrine, just don't be one of them.

 

[cfultz3]

Zech chapter 4

 

[Therapon]

Zech chapter 4

It is faulty exegesis to use and Old Testament figure to define a New Testament figure when there is a New Testament definition that fits perfectly

 

[zone]

3. Does Romans 11:24-25 show two olive trees to be Jewish and Gentile peoples? Yes or no?

unbelievable.

ONE TREE.

gentiles CUT OUT OF WILD (UNBELIEVING, NOT COVENANT, NOT SAVED) TREE - wild tree (by nature) NOT GOOD TREE.

wild tree (BY NATURE) not useful.

gentile branches CUT FROM from wild tree.

WILD TREE NOT A WITNESS TO ANYTHING.

BRANCHES CUT FROM WILD TREE ARE THE WITNESS....NOT THE TREE THEY CAME FROM.

gentiles GRAFTED INTO SINGLE TREE - Natural Tree - COVENANT TREE - FAITHFUL JEWS WHO RECEIVED JESUS OF NAZARETH by Grace through faith. remnant. ONE TREE.


jews in NATURAL COVENANT TREE - STILL ONE TREE. remain in Tree - ONE TREE - NOT cut off branches. SAVED.

unbelieving jews CUT OUT OF, CUT OFF FROM ONE TREE. CUT OUT.

unbelieving jews cut off NOT A WITNESS TO ANYTHING EXCEPT THE SEVERITY OF GOD.

THE ONE TREE IS THE ROMANS TREE.

ONLY ONE USEFUL TREE - NEW COVENANT TREE, REMNANT FAITHFUL JEWS REMAINED, GENTILES GRAFTED IN.

ONE TREE.
not two.

hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello

how many ways can this be said?

how simple is this?

DUAL COVENANT HERESY - you people who have wrestled with paul's words do so to your own destruction.

 

[Abiding]

It is faulty exegesis to use and Old Testament figure to define a New Testament figure when there is a New Testament definition that fits perfectly

2 olive trees?

 

[Abiding]

It is faulty exegesis to use and Old Testament figure to define a New Testament figure when there is a New Testament definition that fits perfectly

Ha, by your fiat?

 

[Abiding]

Therapon. Not once have you answered a question ive had.
It appears anyone who has a question, disagrees, or asks you to prove
something is no more than a problem to you. I get it.

 

[cfultz3]

I'm cracking up, there is only one God and one sacrificial lamb. Since Jews worship the God of the Old Testament, they worship the same God we do; the only difference between us being, they are looking for their Messiah to appear for His 1st time while we stians are looking for His 2nd. Some people force Scripture or history to fit their doctrine, just don't be one of them.

You know I was replying to EG?

 

[peterT]

Again with the symbology. There is nothing symbolic about it, the two witnesses are two people. Who are killed, left on the streets for the word to see. And risen from the dead and ascend into heaven. I believe God uses this to start a huge revival of people to the true god. and away from the world religion (empire) which is trying to destroy the world

I never said they were not people “individuals”

You misread what I was talking about “again”

 

[cfultz3]

I'm cracking up, there is only one God and one sacrificial lamb. Since Jews worship the God of the Old Testament, they worship the same God we do; the only difference between us being, they are looking for their Messiah to appear for His 1st time while we stians are looking for His 2nd. Some people force Scripture or history to fit their doctrine, just don't be one of them.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying. Would you mind explaining?

 

[doulos]

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God is not hiding the gospel from anyone. ANyone is able to see. It is there unbeliev and hardness of their heart by which they are blinded…...

Jerusalem is not free of Gentile domination, if it was, there would be a temple there, not a dome of the rock. My neighbor is a palestinian who came from Jerusalem, Jerusalem is actually spread in three section. Christian, Islam and Jew.

The fact that the abominable dome of the rock with it’s blasphemous inscriptions still stands on the temple mount does not mean Jerusalem is not under the control of a Jewish Government.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
The Gentiles were only allowed to control Jerusalem until the 42 months were over in 67 when the Jews regained control of Jerusalem. The temple mount where the abominable dome of the rock stands is in the court given to the gentiles and as a result it may (or may not) stand until the Lord’s return. God gave that area to the gentiles. Aren’t the gifts of God irrevocable?

Again with the symbology. There is nothing symbolic about it, the two witnesses are two people.

The two witnesses are two candlesticks and two olive trees. If 7 candlesticks are seven churches then two candlesticks are two churches. Churches aren’t buildings but groups of believers. Which two groups of believers, the believers from the two olive trees. The gentile belivers broken out of the wild olive tree that are grafted in amongst the Jews the good olive tree. While both the believing Jews and Gentiles are grafted into the same tree they originate from 2 different olive trees. So our two churches are the Jew and Gentile believers if we accept what the unchanging word of God tells us.

they are one and the same For those of us to look back to his death (jew or Gentile), for those looking for him to still come. they are worshiping a different jehovah

Did Abraham and Moses worship a different Jehovah? Wasn’t Christ slain from the foundation of the world?
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When you say that they worship a different Jehovah, are you saying that there are more than one Jehovah? If Jesus is Jehovah, then how is He another Jehovah?

Are you saying the God of Islam is Jesus? The jehova Isreal is looking for is the king. they still do not realise they need a redeemer. if they did, they would find CHrist.