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Well, she says she doesn't worship the same God we do and claims she isn't our sister in the Lord. I hope she's wrong, I hate to think otherwise. You can't tell a fruit is by it's looks, but by it's taste and "by their fruits ye shall know them."
you are not my brother.
you teach another christ.

is that clear enough?

anyone who sides with you i reject as my brother or sister.
is that clear enough.
 
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One of the major reasons that the Jews reject Jesus Christ is because they do not see nor discerned the two comings that have been prophesied in scripture. Their mindset is to look forward and to see him coming to set up a kingdom here on earth rejecting all the nations that have come against them and they are waiting for this. Therefore they have rejected and did not receive him at his first coming accusing him of blasphemy and making himself equal with God. They have rejected so many of the prophesies of his first coming and that has attributed to their blindness and hardness of heart that has kept them in unbelief. However, when he comes for the second time they will see him as he is and will see the nail scars of the one they have pierced. They will turn to the Lord in mourning and God will deliver them and turn again unto them and they will know that the one they rejected all this time has come to restore them as his people. They will not be part of the church and body of Christ. They will be God's chosen people, elect and precious but will not be the bride of Christ. Only those Jews and Gentiles who believed in his first coming will make up the church and body of Christ and will be the bride of Christ because they believed in his shed blood of the cross by faith for the remission of their sins.
 
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One of the major reasons that the Jews reject Jesus Christ is because they do not see nor discerned the two comings that have been prophesied in scripture. Their mindset is to look forward and to see him coming to set up a kingdom here on earth rejecting all the nations that have come against them and they are waiting for this. Therefore they have rejected and did not receive him at his first coming accusing him of blasphemy and making himself equal with God. They have rejected so many of the prophesies of his first coming and that has attributed to their blindness and hardness of heart that has kept them in unbelief. However, when he comes for the second time they will see him as he is and will see the nail scars of the one they have pierced. They will turn to the Lord in mourning and God will deliver them and turn again unto them and they will know that the one they rejected all this time has come to restore them as his people. They will not be part of the church and body of Christ. They will be God's chosen people, elect and precious but will not be the bride of Christ. Only those Jews and Gentiles who believed in his first coming will make up the church and body of Christ and will be the bride of Christ because they believed in his shed blood of the cross by faith for the remission of their sins.
yes, this is why they rejected him the first time, and why they are still looking for him, they have not figured out yet that they need a savior. they still think they can make themselves right with God on their own.

then aggain, I know many churches who call themselves of Christ who do the same thing.. they are more dangerous than the jews and their talmud, because they come in the name of christ!
 

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yes, this is why they rejected him the first time, and why they are still looking for him, they have not figured out yet that they need a savior. they still think they can make themselves right with God on their own.

then aggain, I know many churches who call themselves of Christ who do the same thing.. they are more dangerous than the jews and their talmud, because they come in the name of christ!
So one will not be helping them by standing shoulder to shoulder in their disobedient quest ....

According to some: we fight the muslim's to bring them 'peace' and 'safety' and then they will accept the Messiah?

No, it will be the result of their quest that some may come to accept that Yahshua is the Messiah... but only after much comes to pass!

Those who assist them will have to Repent from this error because they are playing with fire and are passively denying the Truth.

i tell you this much you can stand shoulder to shoulder with them in their quest but they despise you as much as they despise the muslim's.

You will be considered pawns to them that they use in their quest... take heed.

we are One in Yahshua the Messiah in Spirit and Truth we worship Heavenly Father.

EG it was something you wrote i quoted you for not that you will assist them.
 

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Love them through the Truth for the Truth.
 

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Acts 7

1Then said the high priest, Are these things so?2And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran, 3And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee. 4Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell. 5And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child. 6And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years. 7And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place. 8And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaacbegat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs.9And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him, 10And delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house.11Now there came a dearth over all the land of Egypt and Chanaan, and great affliction: and our fathers found no sustenance. 12But when Jacob heard that there was corn in Egypt, he sent out our fathers first. 13And at the second time Joseph was made known to his brethren; and Joseph's kindred was made known unto Pharaoh. 14Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls. 15So Jacob went down into Egypt, and died, he, and our fathers, 16And were carried over into Sychem, and laid in the sepulchre that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Emmor the father of Sychem.17But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt, 18Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph. 19The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live. 20In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months: 21And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son. 22And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds. 23And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel. 24And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian: 25For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not. 26And the next day he shewed himself unto them as they strove, and would have set them at one again, saying, Sirs, ye are brethren; why do ye wrong one to another? 27But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us? 28Wilt thou kill me, as thou diddest the Egyptian yesterday? 29Then fled Moses at this saying, and was a stranger in the land of Madian, where he begat two sons.30And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. 31When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him, 32Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold. 33Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground. 34I have seen, I have seen the affliction of my people which is in Egypt, and I have heard their groaning, and am come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send thee into Egypt.35This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. 36He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years. 37This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. 38This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:39To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt, 40Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him. 41And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. 42Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? 43Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.44Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. 45Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David; 46Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob. 47But Solomon built him an house. 48Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,49Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?50Hath not my hand made all these things?51Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
Do not be deceived to think they are Faithful.
 

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She herself says that we (whoever disagrees with her) are not her brothers and sisters. As for me, I worship Jehovah God who came in the flesh and is known as Christ. If I worship God and am not her brother by her own proclamation, then it is clear that she is saying that she does not worship the same God as me. I hope and pray myself that she does not mean that.

Chris
why did you insert this: (whoever disagrees with her)

when what it should say is : She herself says that we who agree with and support false teachers like Therapon, who deny the very Lord who bought salvation, and never blinded anyone for their good, and never inserted a 2000 gap in Daniel 9.....and any who hold to any form of Dual Covenant heresy are not my brothers and sisters.

if they repent and their beliefs and professions align with the simple Gospel, i would consider them brothers.

thanks for the opportunity to straighten this out.
you who get your pride hurt because you don't know the basics of the christian faith commisserate with one another, just because it was zone who hurt your little feelings with scripture that debunks your unorthodox imaginings. even to the point of defending a mentally unstable (or worse) poster who was claiming to be God. no ethical or biblical moorings at all...just looking for petty alliances.

that's childish, and pathetic and shows the sand your house is built on.
thanks again for allowing me to take this out of your sandbox defense since it doesn't belong there:

(whoever disagrees with her)

start agreeing with the Lord in His Word for a change.
 

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I think she is down to about 4 people who she allows to be called her brother or sister.
prove that number 4.
show me who you think i "ALLOW" (so petty) to "call me" brother or sister.

this is about knowing the faith delivered once for all and standing on and with it, no matter who is inloved - for or against.
if people depart from Biblical Christianity - i can not walk in agreement with them.
if they then later do align with it, i can and will.

i consider far more than 4 here my brethren.

so show me what you meant. or correct it. thanks.

you're just ticked at me personally....doesn't matter how many times you're shown your errors or correct scriptures. you just ignore them.
this is not anything at Christians do.
 
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So one will not be helping them by standing shoulder to shoulder in their disobedient quest ....

According to some: we fight the muslim's to bring them 'peace' and 'safety' and then they will accept the Messiah?
1. They are in error
2. They think to much of themselves (they think God needs their help)
3. Most are dual covenant (believe Jews ARE saved by the old covenant (mosaic) thus are dangerous!
4. Do not know God, and are trying to force is prophesies to come true, instead of trusting God that he knows they already will come true in his timing and his way.


No, it will be the result of their quest that some may come to accept that Yahshua is the Messiah... but only after much comes to pass!
well I believe scripture says at one point in history (future history) they all will. But ONLY after certain things happen. and ONLY in Gods timing and his way.

I agree, we can't force things, And these same people who do this are just as bad as the muslims over their trying to kill women and children and anyone they can just because they are jew.

I wish we would stop the fighting, and just teach BOTH sides the gospel, which is ALL we are supposed to do.


Those who assist them will have to Repent from this error because they are playing with fire and are passively denying the Truth.
Yeah I can hear God now.. Didn't you trust me? Why do you think I needed YOU? oh ye of little faith!

i tell you this much you can stand shoulder to shoulder with them in their quest but they despise you as much as they despise the muslim's.
No sis, Stop listening to a certain lady in this chat room who is out to cause division by her slanderous ways. I DO NOT STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THEM. That is HER FALSE ACCUSATION. I am against them as much as I am the Muslims as much as I am the false churches who are doing what you so rightly just claimed they did. and against the jews who are looking for a future messiah, yet reject the one who came 2000 years ago!!!

You will be considered pawns to them that they use in their quest... take heed.
That is a false statement, I will not be a pawn, because I am against them, have been even in this chatroom. But no one seems to want to see when i fight them right beside you.

we are One in Yahshua the Messiah in Spirit and Truth we worship Heavenly Father.
I have never denied this. nor would I ever..

EG it was something you wrote i quoted you for not that you will assist them.

lol, if I misunderstood ya, forgive me
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Alot of Torah observant Jews reject Israel, and despise Zionism.
They know what the Torah says about being dispersed, and what it
says about being brought back into the land and see that what
is going on cannot be from God. And will not move to Israel.

The land promise is conditional.
 
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The land promise is conditional.
Depends on how you look at it.

Them living in it is conditional (lev 26)/ it being theirs was an eternal promise, and not conditional.

What we have now is strangers living in their house. Because they are in sin.. and the strangers will continue to be masters of their house, until the repent.

I agree with those not wanting to go back though, who would want to go back when you KNOW there will be no peace there?? I would not leave my home (if I am living in peace with no fear) to move to a land where I may be killed just because of who I am.. That would be foolish.
 
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Well so many say 1948 was an act of God. But we have scripture to deal with
And the land WAS conditional, always.



Deut 6:10,15,18-19 Then it shall come about when the LORD your God brings you into the land which He swore to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to give you, great and splendid cities which you did not build...You shall not follow other gods, He will wipe you off the face of the earth... do what is right that you may go in and possess the good land which the LORD swore to {give} your fathers...by driving out all your enemies from before you, as the LORD has spoken.

Deut 8:19-20 And it shall come about if you ever forget the LORD your God, and go after other gods and serve them and worship them, I testify against you today that you shall surely perish. Like the nations that the LORD makes to perish before you, so you shall perish; because you would not listen to the voice of the LORD your God.

Deut 9:5 It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm the oath which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Deut 30:17-18 But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you today that you shall surely perish. You shall not prolong your days in the land where you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess it.

Josh 23:15 And it shall come about that just as all the good words which the LORD your God spoke to you have come upon you, so the LORD will bring upon you all the threats, until He has destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God has given you.

Josh 23:12-16 For if you ever go back and cling to the rest of these nations, these which remain among you, and intermarry with them, so that you associate with them and they with you, know with certainty that the LORD your God will not continue to drive these nations out from before you; but they shall be a snare and a trap to you, and a whip on your sides and thorns in your eyes, until you perish from off this good land which the LORD your God has given you. Now behold, today I am going the way of all the earth, and you know in all your hearts and in all your souls that not one word of all the good words which the LORD your God spoke concerning you has failed; all have been fulfilled for you, not one of them has failed. And it shall come about that just as all the good words which the LORD your God spoke to you have come upon you, so the LORD will bring upon you all the threats, until He has destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God has given you. When you transgress the covenant of the LORD your God, which He commanded you, and go and serve other gods, and bow down to them, then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and you shall perish quickly from off the good land which He has given you.

Jer 18:1-10 ...the vessel that he was making of clay was spoiled in the hand of the potter; so he remade it into another vessel, as it pleased the potter to make... Can I not, O house of Israel, deal with you as this potter does? declares the LORD. Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel...Or at another moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to build up or to plant it; if it does evil in My sight by not obeying My voice, then I will think better of the good with which I had promised to bless it.

Jer 19:10-11 Then you are to break the jar in the sight of the men who accompany you and say to them, `Thus says the LORD of hosts, Just so shall I break this people and this city, even as one breaks a potter's vessel, which cannot again be repaired...

I wont bother posting scripture that the land promise is fulfilled in Christ since so many hate to hear it
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Maybe ill start a thread someday and post it, maybe not.
 

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1. They are in error
2. They think to much of themselves (they think God needs their help)
3. Most are dual covenant (believe Jews ARE saved by the old covenant (mosaic) thus are dangerous!
4. Do not know God, and are trying to force is prophesies to come true, instead of trusting God that he knows they already will come true in his timing and his way.




well I believe scripture says at one point in history (future history) they all will. But ONLY after certain things happen. and ONLY in Gods timing and his way.

I agree, we can't force things, And these same people who do this are just as bad as the muslims over their trying to kill women and children and anyone they can just because they are jew.

I wish we would stop the fighting, and just teach BOTH sides the gospel, which is ALL we are supposed to do.




Yeah I can hear God now.. Didn't you trust me? Why do you think I needed YOU? oh ye of little faith!



No sis, Stop listening to a certain lady in this chat room who is out to cause division by her slanderous ways. I DO NOT STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THEM. That is HER FALSE ACCUSATION. I am against them as much as I am the Muslims as much as I am the false churches who are doing what you so rightly just claimed they did. and against the jews who are looking for a future messiah, yet reject the one who came 2000 years ago!!!



That is a false statement, I will not be a pawn, because I am against them, have been even in this chatroom. But no one seems to want to see when i fight them right beside you.



I have never denied this. nor would I ever..



lol, if I misunderstood ya, forgive me
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Did you miss the disclaimer? :)
 

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If you consider how many people have been born and passed away up until this point in time, then consider what all of Israel saved means :)
 
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Well so many say 1948 was an act of God. But we have scripture to deal with
but the land WAS conditional, always.
Again, LIVING in th eland was conditional. Not owning it../ And you proved that quite well.

And I would say 1948 was not from God according to lev 26..



I wont bother posting scripture that the land promise is fulfilled in Christ since so many hate to hear it
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Maybe ill start a thread someday and post it, maybe not.
lol.. It is not that. :p

some just believe that when God says he gives someone something, and it will be forever, he means it.. Thus they would never fall for the belief an eternal covenant was already fulfilled when;

1. Eternity has not happened yet
2. The thing given still exists (of course if it no longer existed, the covenant would no longer stand because their is nothing to give.) However, if the covenant was taken back by the one who gave it BEFORE the thing ceased to exist, then the covenant was not eternal. and the one who gave it is said to be a liar!
 
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Did you miss the disclaimer? :)
yeah at the end, thus why I apologized to you. :)

But wanted everyone else to see it so they could not say I believe something different
 
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If you consider how many people have been born and passed away up until this point in time, then consider what all of Israel saved means :)
lol.. Why would I consider this? it does not have to do with how many already died.

it has to do with a point of time

1. They are blinded in part until the fulfillment comes
2. THEN all Israel will be saved. (at that time)

that is a point of time in history (past or future)