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we've been through this a lot but here you go
[h=3]Romans 2:14-15[/h]King James Version (KJV)
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
[h=3]Romans 2:14-15[/h]King James Version (KJV)
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
we've been through this a lot but here you go
Romans 2:14-15
King James Version (KJV)
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Romans 2:14-15
King James Version (KJV)
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
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Yes it is important to understand context so let us look at the first 3 verses.
*[[Rom 7:1-4]] KJV*
%v 1% Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
%v 2% For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
%v 3% So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
A woman is bound to her husband according to the law. If her husband dies she is dead to the law. The law has not changed it is still there but, she is free from the law because of the death of her husband so it would not be a sin to marry someone else.
Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
If we are now married to Christ then who were we married to before the death of Christ? It has to be read in context with the first 3 verses that the law has not changed.
*[[Rom 7:1-4]] KJV*
%v 1% Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
%v 2% For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
%v 3% So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
A woman is bound to her husband according to the law. If her husband dies she is dead to the law. The law has not changed it is still there but, she is free from the law because of the death of her husband so it would not be a sin to marry someone else.
Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
If we are now married to Christ then who were we married to before the death of Christ? It has to be read in context with the first 3 verses that the law has not changed.
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Galatians 2:19 "For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God."
All people in flesh fall short of God's laws; for that reason the law would make us all dead in the end .
When bad or evil thoughts enter the mind, that is our flesh trying to take control ; and that spells trouble for our soul.
What do you do? Have you yielded to those thoughts? When you yield to even one, you have broken the entire law.
This is why, we need the blood of Christ ;when the thought starts, and we react to it, we sin and that sin needs to be repented of in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to the Father.
Repentance is a daily thing while in the flesh, for as long as we live in flesh bodies, those thoughts will come, and cause many of the sins, we commit , that are against God's law.
Many times our jealousy , pride and anger, take hold before we can get them under control, and we say and do things that ,we later know we will regret .
Now this is the freedom that those who believe have in Christ, that when you " repent ," you are freed from the guilt of those sins,
and are assured that God will not remember them nor judge you for them either. It is a gift from our Heavenly Father just to you.
Remember that God can read our thoughts and we can't hide anything from Him so don't try.
You just can't make it under the law. It is only through repentance and the perfection that is in Christ; is their forgiveness and eternal life.
That being the case, something else gets slipped into all this.
I hear Christians say to me sometimes: "well, I can go out and commit a crime, and I'm already forgiven."
Well that would be breaking God's law.
They even say, sins we even commit tomorrow we are forgiven; without repentance. .
If we do not repent of our sins, and make a effort to change in that repentance; that sounds like trouble.
We can't con God ; is what I'm saying.
That would be like, tempting the Lord ; If that is the reasoning people adopt ....
Repentance is important in Christ name. That is how we obtain the forgiveness through Christ. If we were not repentant of committing those sins, we would be like the heathen, who break God's Laws without concern .
All people in flesh fall short of God's laws; for that reason the law would make us all dead in the end .
When bad or evil thoughts enter the mind, that is our flesh trying to take control ; and that spells trouble for our soul.
What do you do? Have you yielded to those thoughts? When you yield to even one, you have broken the entire law.
This is why, we need the blood of Christ ;when the thought starts, and we react to it, we sin and that sin needs to be repented of in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to the Father.
Repentance is a daily thing while in the flesh, for as long as we live in flesh bodies, those thoughts will come, and cause many of the sins, we commit , that are against God's law.
Many times our jealousy , pride and anger, take hold before we can get them under control, and we say and do things that ,we later know we will regret .
Now this is the freedom that those who believe have in Christ, that when you " repent ," you are freed from the guilt of those sins,
and are assured that God will not remember them nor judge you for them either. It is a gift from our Heavenly Father just to you.
Remember that God can read our thoughts and we can't hide anything from Him so don't try.
You just can't make it under the law. It is only through repentance and the perfection that is in Christ; is their forgiveness and eternal life.
That being the case, something else gets slipped into all this.
I hear Christians say to me sometimes: "well, I can go out and commit a crime, and I'm already forgiven."
Well that would be breaking God's law.
They even say, sins we even commit tomorrow we are forgiven; without repentance. .
If we do not repent of our sins, and make a effort to change in that repentance; that sounds like trouble.
We can't con God ; is what I'm saying.
That would be like, tempting the Lord ; If that is the reasoning people adopt ....
Repentance is important in Christ name. That is how we obtain the forgiveness through Christ. If we were not repentant of committing those sins, we would be like the heathen, who break God's Laws without concern .
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Galatians 5:17 [SUP] [/SUP]For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
If you are trying in your effort to keep the law you are walking in the flesh of your own will and power. This leads to sin, causing it to abound.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Thats what it means to be dead to the law.
Christians are no longer concerned with the law. Because the law has no power to change their natural inclinations. The only power available to us is given by the Lord Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit.
You must turn away from one and towards the other. No one can serve two masters...
The only way to truly obey any of the law is to turn away from it in your own efforts and turn toward Christ so He can grow Spiritual Fruit in your life. And then its not really your obedience but its a gift from God.
I would never have understood any of this if I wasn't saved. I would have thought, like everyone else, that If I was a "good" person God would understand and see and not expect more than what I was capable. That would have been a grave mistake...
No longer have to??? Never was able to. Blind man, get to Christ and receive sight!!
If you are trying in your effort to keep the law you are walking in the flesh of your own will and power. This leads to sin, causing it to abound.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Thats what it means to be dead to the law.
Christians are no longer concerned with the law. Because the law has no power to change their natural inclinations. The only power available to us is given by the Lord Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit.
You must turn away from one and towards the other. No one can serve two masters...
The only way to truly obey any of the law is to turn away from it in your own efforts and turn toward Christ so He can grow Spiritual Fruit in your life. And then its not really your obedience but its a gift from God.
I would never have understood any of this if I wasn't saved. I would have thought, like everyone else, that If I was a "good" person God would understand and see and not expect more than what I was capable. That would have been a grave mistake...
No longer have to??? Never was able to. Blind man, get to Christ and receive sight!!
I believe what Paul was saying is the people who live by the Spirit follow the law by their new nature, those of the flesh are incapable of following the law, but those of the Spirit follow the law naturally.
Certainly those of the Spirit still struggle against the flesh which desires to disobey God, but those who remain in the Spirit turn away from the lusts of the flesh and obey the law not as it were an obligation, but as a pleasure desiring to please God.
Certainly those of the Spirit still struggle against the flesh which desires to disobey God, but those who remain in the Spirit turn away from the lusts of the flesh and obey the law not as it were an obligation, but as a pleasure desiring to please God.
Romans 5:15-21
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
How does the offense abound when the law entered? Because now people have a knowledge of what righteousness is, according to the law, but the flesh cannot attain to that righteousness. So they spend more time and more willpower trying in the flesh to obey the law and still fall short, causing the offense to abound even more.
What is the solution? Turn to the Lord Jesus Christ. Receive the free gift.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
How does the offense abound when the law entered? Because now people have a knowledge of what righteousness is, according to the law, but the flesh cannot attain to that righteousness. So they spend more time and more willpower trying in the flesh to obey the law and still fall short, causing the offense to abound even more.
What is the solution? Turn to the Lord Jesus Christ. Receive the free gift.
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Here is an interesting thought...
I hear some say that you do not need the Law, one should not obey the Law, the Law is done away through Christ. Now that is a very interesting thought, Jesus Christ kept the Law perfectly. He lived the Law perfectly for His 33-1/2 years. We read this...
1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
1Pe 2:22 "WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH";
1Pe 2:23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously;
And now what He wants us to do is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what He did?
I hear some say that you do not need the Law, one should not obey the Law, the Law is done away through Christ. Now that is a very interesting thought, Jesus Christ kept the Law perfectly. He lived the Law perfectly for His 33-1/2 years. We read this...
1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
1Pe 2:22 "WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH";
1Pe 2:23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously;
And now what He wants us to do is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what He did?
Galatians 3:10-14
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 5:1-10
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 5:1-10
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
Regardless of what you believe about the law, the unimaginably great wonders of heaven are prepared only for those who love God.
But as it is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither has it entered into the heart of man, the things that God has prepared for them that love him. (1 Corinthians 2:9)
Please keep in mind though that Jesus said that if you love Him, then you will keep his commandments.
But as it is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither has it entered into the heart of man, the things that God has prepared for them that love him. (1 Corinthians 2:9)
Please keep in mind though that Jesus said that if you love Him, then you will keep his commandments.
Lev 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
Deu 11:26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
Deu 11:27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
Deu 11:28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deu 27:10 Thou shalt therefore obey the voice of the LORD thy God, and do his commandments and his statutes, which I command thee this day.
Deu 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.
Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
Deu 11:26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
Deu 11:27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
Deu 11:28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deu 27:10 Thou shalt therefore obey the voice of the LORD thy God, and do his commandments and his statutes, which I command thee this day.
Deu 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.
But Grandpa, if Paul was telling us what you say, why did John say, "Whosoever sinneth transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4). And remember, this is the law used by Jesus as his moral standard. What you are advocating was clearly warned against by Jesus. Read Matthew 7:21-23 on the fate of Christians who practice lawlessness. Jesus will say to them, "...I never knew you, depart from me, ye workers of iniquity" (v. 23). Strong's #458 tells us "iniquity" means lawlessness, the lawlessness you are advocating. Please, look it up, and recognize that Paul, in Galations, in not contradicting 1 John 3:4, the Bible definition of sin.