Dead to the law

Laodicea · Jan 27, 2014

Romans 7:4 KJV
(4) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Galatians 2:19 KJV
(19) For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Does dead to the law mean we no longer have to keep the law?

nl · Jan 27, 2014

How do you know that you are included in a we? How do you know that you are secure as a vessel of mercy and saved from God's wrath to come?

If you are being changed into the image of Jesus (Romans 8:29), then you will love righteousness and hate iniquity (Hebrews 1:9). Right?

God declared that he had written the law in people's hearts (even Gentile hearts) and that this provided a basis for conscience (Romans 2:15). Are you wanting to set that aside?

john832 · Jan 27, 2014

nl said:

How do we know?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Sounds good but Paul says otherwise...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

WE must still contend with the Devil, the present evil age and our own carnal nature. It is a battle and a struggle, not a slam dunk.

That is the New Covenant. He is writing that in those He has called to conversion. Yet, if Paul, after over twenty years of conversion, still struggled, we will also.

danschance · Jan 27, 2014

Laodicea said:

We are dead to the Mosaic law. Romans 7:6 is a clear reference to the Mosaic law. Galatians 2:15, Paul is speaking to Jews, so again this is the Mosaic law. Read it in context and ask God to show you the truth otherwise these scriptures will simply allude you or you will twist them like a pretzel to fit your own "truth" and not God's truth.

Josh321 · Jan 27, 2014

Laodicea said:

God bless brother laodicea, i just want you to ask yourself you may not see it but ask yourself dear brother, why do you think the bible says we are dead to the law in numerous places, or why do you think it said that

Josh321 · Jan 27, 2014

please brothers hearken not your hearts and atleast just have a bit of consideration about what is being spoken of, this isn't about who is right or wrong, i would rejoice brethen if you can prove that i was being lead astray by the bible, it's not about pride or who is right or wrong, it's just we want to make sure we on the right path, here is another verse

[h=3]Romans 9:30-32[/h]King James Version (KJV)

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

brother true faith in God changes your life like never before, drug dealers becomes saints criminals killers, it's not their righteousness nope not at all this righteousness comes from God, directly from him, it's the righteousness of the holy spirit dwelling within you to make you righteous and walk according to Love, the reason why the law is dead to those in christ brethren is because the love of God has been fulfilled within us, this love is very powerful brother you will feel the pain for the world would not ill threat your neighbors at all but just Love them and you can't help it because the love is God is within you when you surrender your life to him

Laodicea · Jan 27, 2014

*[[Rom 7:4-5]] KJV* %v 4% Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. %v 5% For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Verse 4 talks about being dead to the law while verse 5 says we are free from the law of sin and death.

*[[Rom 8:2]] KJV* For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

just-us-2 · Jan 27, 2014

Lack of serious, prayerful study leads to misinterpretation of scripture, which leads to false doctrine. Woe unto those who teach false doctrine.

We have all heard the old adage that says "anything worth having is worth working for" - think in those terms for just a moment...(no, I am NOT saying we have salvation by our works!..just wanted to clear that up so time isn't wasted sorting through the accusations that would surely follow my comments on this thread)...does it not stand to reason that study of the Word of God together with prayer as He has taught us to pray, would lead to the learning and understanding of great and precious truth?

The law of God is an ongoing covenant. It was practiced physically - animal sacrifices, temple building, etc. - before Christ. Now that He has fulfilled the requirement of sacrifice by making the ultimate sacrifice, the covenant is still in place spiritually within every one who truly is a Christian because the temple is in us now.

Those who refuse to heed sound doctrine will suffer the consequences God has already warned us of. But those who wish to ignore the responsibilities and requirements God has for us, eventually will be turned over to a reprobate mind. And when that last day comes, our Messiah will say "Depart from me, I never knew you."
(Matthew 7:21-23 NAS) 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles ?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Acts 17:11 (NAS) Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures dailyto see whether these things were so.

nl · Jan 27, 2014

Even the Gentiles, who may have been ignorant of Mosaic law, have a law standard in the form of conscience. Although the law was not given to the Gentiles, yet they have an innate knowledge of right and wrong. (Romans 2:15).

The wrath of God will be revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men (Romans 1:18) no matter whether or not they think that they had become exempt from Mosaic law or some other standard of the law. God is righteous and just and He must punish ungodliness and unrighteousness.

john832 · Jan 27, 2014

danschance said:

Then just go out and commit murder and adultery and lie and steal to your hearts content. Surely God will not judge you on these things, you are dead to the law, right?

C'mon Dan, you don't really believe that do you? I am persuaded of better things than that of you.

clarkthompson · Jan 27, 2014

We are dead in the law but made alive thru Christ, we can not live by the law but can live with Christ, we should live by Christ's guidance.

Josh321 · Jan 27, 2014

Laodicea said:

you see we never had the law of righteousness, we were a law unto ourselves the law of righteousness had dominion over us because our nature was against it we could not follow it so it condemned us daily that's what brings many to christ that condemnation they feel after sinning they know it's wrong but can't help it, well it's certainly what brought me to christ also, that's why the law is the schoolmaster it's there to tell us we are living wrong and need a savior to free us [h=3]Romans 2:14-15[/h]King James Version (KJV)

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

nl · Jan 27, 2014

clarkthompson said:

Yes, go beyond the moment of an initial decision to believe and have faith. Live a lifetime as a disciple and follower of the Lord Jesus Christ.

If you are blessed, then you will be persecuted. If you are persecuted for righteousness sake, then you are blessed. If you are persecuted for righteousness sake, then yours is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:10)

Josh321 · Jan 27, 2014

Notice brother laodicea at israel, they follow the law of righteousness ( commandments ) but this is what the bible said about it [h=3]Romans 9:30-32[/h]King James Version (KJV)

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; there is only one way righteousness comes from by faith, the reason why this is, is because God is righteous if the spirit of God all mighty, God of love is living within your spirit his spirit becomes one with your spirit, the fruits of God will be manifested within you and this is the fruits of the spirit

Galatians 5:22-23

King James Version (KJV)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

any who receives christ within them receive the fruits of christ, his nature will be your nature

john832 · Jan 27, 2014

clarkthompson said:

He seemed to think the Law was a guide...

Mat 19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, "Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?"
Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

john832 · Jan 27, 2014

Josh321 said:

Israel NEVER followed the Law...

Heb 3:9 WHERE YOUR FATHERS TESTED ME, TRIED ME, AND SAW MY WORKS FORTY YEARS.
Heb 3:10 THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THAT GENERATION, AND SAID, 'THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART, AND THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN MY WAYS.'

Josh321 · Jan 27, 2014

john832 said:

God bless brother John, this scripture that you posted was before the death is christ, new testament came and the scripture said so not me

[h=3]Galatians 3:23-25[/h]King James Version (KJV)

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

nathan3 · Jan 27, 2014

Laodicea said:

I believe it means, through Christ, the part just after it says dead to the law, through Christ when we repent, the sins we have committed are blotted out. In that sense the phrase is used. Remember, Christ said He didn't come to change the law, not one jot, or tittle.

This phrase in Romans there, and Galatians; is talking in a spiritual sense.

That is where I believe people , myself included; get confused: It's easy to just read something, but its another thing to understand it, especially having to do with spiritual things.

For example , if I had to compare the popular reasoning method used today to something, I would liken it to this:

It's like when a kid messes up on a piece of paper ; when they are learning something, they might mess up, often some kids reactions is to crumble the paper , and toss it aside.

That seems to be the case, with people trying to learn these spiritual concepts, they don't want to think any deeper then they are comfortable with, so they end up tossing the deeper meanings aside; and take what it appears to say on the surface; so much so, we get stuff like: " we don't follow the old testament, or the ten commandments"...

Now that is a popular thought, because its easy to people; doesn't seem to bother them that they are tossing God's words.

A good rule of thumb when trying to understand spiritual things, like this , never toss any of God's words out, because you can't grasp it: put it on the shelf, and come back to it later, when you learned more, that way we have a better chance of learning something, rather then muddying the words in the Bible and forgetting God's words, which is written are forever.

Josh321 · Jan 27, 2014

john832 said:

because it's impossible to be followed but yet still they attempt to follow it because their eyes are blinded from the death of christ, i'm glad you said that also if they can't follow it what makes you think you can? it is only there to convict and lead us to christ

Josh321 · Jan 27, 2014

Though we may not understand the things of God all is revealed to usthrough spiritual revelation through our new birth

[h=3]Hebrews 11:1-3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

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