Define SIN

haz · Mar 19, 2015

Actually John compares the difference between non-believers/legalists under the law, who are of the devil (1John 3:8) because they make themselves a transgressor/sinner (Gal 2:18), to true believers under grace who cannot be charged with sin as they're not under the law for righteousness because their faith is counted for righteousness instead (Rom 4:5).

MyLighthouse · Mar 19, 2015

The clearest definition of sin is in 1 John 3:4:

"...sin is lawlessness."

Whether you believe that is God's moral law (10 Commandments) and/or not obeying what God commands is His Word, isn't the point. Sin is lawlessness to both the believer and the unbeliever.

Satan lies to me by telling me I'm not good enough for God. Which is true that's why I have Jesus. Yet the lie can effect my feeling of worth, relationship with God, and witnessing.

Honestly I think Satan uses the same tactics he used with Adam and Eve on all of us today, just in a different way. Causes us to question God's Word, that God's hold out or limiting us, and then is able to replace the truth with a lie, the big one being "You will not surely die". Eve meditated on the lie. It's important that we cast down every thought that sets itself up against the Word of God, and not fall into the same trap.

john832 · Mar 19, 2015

michael56 said:

That is true, keeping the Commandments is NOT ENOUGH, so if you disregard the Commandments, you are certainly are not going to inherit eternal life.

You really don't like to read Mat 19:17, John 14:15, 21, John 15:10, Rev 22:14, I John 5:2-3, I Cor 7:19 and such do you?

If one reads Rom 8:7 it reveals a lot.

john832 · Mar 19, 2015

michael56 said:

You take random verses without the full picture. It was not enough was it that the man had obeyed the literal commands, therefore he was not going to inherit eternal life by keeping them, so you need to think on that before you keep posting your verse continually

Random verses? LOL.

Jeff_56 · Mar 19, 2015

doesn't anyone realize that to do wrong is sin. ? even before the law was given, before there was a penalty for murder, sin "crouched at the door" and Yahweh said to overcome it.

now , today, 2015, sin is welcome ! sin is embraced! and those who sin are patting one another on the back ! (avoiding God and twisting HIS WORD so that the sin they do is not sin to them ! (as if) ) ...

people do wrong on purpose, and are rewarded for it. people twist GOD'S WORD and encourage one another ('like' posts) in their individual and corporate sin.....

and no one can change their mind.

MyLighthouse · Mar 19, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

doesn't anyone realize that to do wrong is sin. ? even before the law was given, before there was a penalty for murder, sin "crouched at the door" and Yahweh said to overcome it.

now , today, 2015, sin is welcome ! sin is embraced! and those who sin are patting one another on the back ! (avoiding God and twisting HIS WORD so that the sin they do is not sin to them ! (as if) ) ...

people do wrong on purpose, and are rewarded for it. people twist GOD'S WORD and encourage one another ('like' posts) in their individual and corporate sin.....

and no one can change their mind.

I do! I do!

Jeff_56 · Mar 19, 2015

halleluYAH! hallelluYAH! AMEIN AMEIN and AMEIN! let Yahweh be PRAISED>...

shalom

MyLighthouse said:

john832 · Mar 19, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

MyLighthouse said:

Odd, isn't it? When one points out that sin is breaking the Law, that one should not sin, it is wrong doing, immediately there are those who accuse that one is teaching salvation by works.

Sin is the transgression of the Law, grace is the free unmerited, unearned forgiveness for breaking the Law. And according to BradC that is a damnable heresy.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109833-sin-does-not-lead-death.html#post1951908

Just call me a heretic, many of those who went before were persecuted and martyred as heretics.

Jeff_56 · Mar 19, 2015

if you get called a heretic, you'll be in good company ! (Yahshua, Paul, Stephen, me...... all those who abide in union in Yahweh..... )

don't get mixed up with the heresy though - the false gospel, the anti-christ religion and doctrines and practices and idolatries and demon worship promulgated by the whore of babylon or the mother of harlots.
they are already judged.

john832 · Mar 20, 2015

haz said:

So, because Christ has paid the penalty for one, that did what? That eradicated the Law? No it paid the penalty and one is no longer charged and found guilty.

If Christians are no longer under the Law, then what happens if a Christian commits murder? Oh wait, if he kills someone it is not murder because he is no longer under the Law and we know this...

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

So, no Law, no sin. Then why in the world did John give this admonition?

1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

If one kills someone, it is not murder because he is not under the Law and there is no sin where there is no Law.

As a matter of fact, to do away with the Law does away with grace. What does anyone need grace for? They can't sin so they don't need the Savior's grace. Oh wait, let's carry that a little further, if there is no Law and no sin, why does anyone need a Savior?

haz · Mar 20, 2015

john832 said:

King David committed murder, and God put away his sin so that he did not face death under the law. Likewise for Christians.

But David did suffer consequences for his wrongs.
Likewise God chastises Christians should they do wrong.

john832 said:

Who is the brother this scripture refers to?
Matt 12:50
For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven (believe on Jesus, John 6:40) is My brother and sister and mother.

A Christian's life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3. When we believe on Jesus, following him, we walk in the Spirit. He is our brother.

But if we walk in the flesh (unbelief, such as turning back to righteousness by works of the law), then such have spiritually murdered their brother, Jesus. Such have rejected God's will that we believe on Jesus, Matt 12:50, John 6:40. Such are like Cain, who murdered his brother Able.
1John 3:12
not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother

john832 · Mar 20, 2015

haz said:

Did you understand what you just wrote? He sinned, he broke the Law, it was the sin that was put away, not the Law.

If there is no Law or the Law does not apply to them, they can do no wrong...

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Yet, we are told this...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

and then read on...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Christ is the propitiation for our sins. We still sin, we still break the Law, but Christ paid the penalty, we are no longer under the DEATH PENALTY, no longer under the Law.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rejecting Christ is not the same as committing a sin and the repenting...

We have already read I John 1:8 - 2:2 which is the case for committing sin and repenting, then there is the deliberate choice of rejecting God's way and turning to sin with no remorse...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

PeterJens · Mar 20, 2015

Sin appears to be doing something that is not appropriate. The problem is contexts often distort absolutes which people love to use. Sin also has a context which is God. It is his love and layering of priorities which often shows what is sinful and what is not. There is a level of a desire which is not sinful but is a feeling or reaction to a situation becomes a sin when action is taken. We all have desires which pop up for their own reasons, it is the action which results in sin.
A good for instance is a beautiful person shakes your hand. You feel attracted to them, which if taken too far would become adultery or fornication. The reaction is pure biology and personality, which is natural and part of being a human being. Lots of people regard this as sin, and in Islam becomes hiding of the female form which is just denial of biology. Jesus shared that love can conquer all of this and place these reactions within their proper contexts of love for others, understanding consequences and the hurt you may bring to those you care deeply about. It is this perspective and understanding who you are in totality which bring victory. As Jesus said, "Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from God." The temptation is to believe physical need and meeting it matters more than the creator and his desire to love and care for the individual. We so often doubt this and want that which would destroy us...Which is why it leads to death, literally....

Jeff_56 · Mar 20, 2015

[h=1] 1 John 3:3-18Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)[/h] [SUP]3 [/SUP]And everyone who has this hope in him continues purifying himself, since God is pure. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Everyone who keeps sinning is violating Torah — indeed, sin is violation of Torah. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and that there is no sin in him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]So no one who remains united with him continues sinning; everyone who does continue sinning has neither seen him nor known him.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Children, don’t let anyone deceive you — it is the person that keeps on doing what is right who is righteous, just as God is righteous. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The person who keeps on sinning is from the Adversary, because from the very beginning the Adversary has kept on sinning. It was for this very reason that the Son of God appeared, to destroy these doings of the Adversary. [SUP]9 [/SUP]No one who has God as his Father keeps on sinning, because the seed planted by God remains in him. That is, he cannot continue sinning, because he has God as his Father. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Here is how one can distinguish clearly between God’s children and those of the Adversary: everyone who does not continue doing what is right is not from God.

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God's Word is not saying anything you said He is saying.(you are entirely wrong in all your posts)/ Search and PRAY and for God's Word Read it again, and again, and again --- even if it woun't do you any good, in fact may make things worse for you, because His Word Judges you as evil, because you are wrong, and teach what is lawless and you teach what is SINFUL and what is CONTRARY to God's Instructions. You are encouraging little children (who may be seeking the TRUTH) to SIN instead of to DO WHAT IS RIGHT in GOD'S EYES.

haz said:

john832 · Mar 20, 2015

PeterJens said:

Sin appears to be doing something that is not appropriate. The problem is contexts often distort absolutes which people love to use. Sin also has a context which is God. It is his love and layering of priorities which often shows what is sinful and what is not. There is a level of a desire which is not sinful but is a feeling or reaction to a situation becomes a sin when action is taken. We all have desires which pop up for their own reasons, it is the action which results in sin.
A good for instance is a beautiful person shakes your hand. You feel attracted to them, which if taken too far would become adultery or fornication. The reaction is pure biology and personality, which is natural and part of being a human being. Lots of people regard this as sin, and in Islam becomes hiding of the female form which is just denial of biology. Jesus shared that love can conquer all of this and place these reactions within their proper contexts of love for others, understanding consequences and the hurt you may bring to those you care deeply about. It is this perspective and understanding who you are in totality which bring victory. As Jesus said, "Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from God." The temptation is to believe physical need and meeting it matters more than the creator and his desire to love and care for the individual. We so often doubt this and want that which would destroy us...Which is why it leads to death, literally....

Situational ethics?

PeterJens · Mar 24, 2015

john832 said:

It is an interesting question. You have not looked at ethics for very long. Ethics can never be absolute because they always have a reference point and often can be turned on their heads.
What anchors my ethics is God and love. A chore sign of sin is self justification and complex reasoning.
Sin is often simple when reduced to penal law, and simple assessment of damage of one person on another and looking at the justification. Why is this all a problem?
Do not murder/kill
This is a command which says killing for an unjustified reason is wrong. IE you can kill for breaking penal law, in war, in self defence. You then fudge the definition of war, and you can justify murder of an enemy because of group guilt held by one society on another. And so grows terrorist action, fueld by revenge, which just creates eternal conflict and insanity, as innocents get caught, who then take revenge on other innocents because they are linked with a guilty group etc.

But for simple people, ethics are absolute, and the solutions simple.

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