deliverance ministry

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Is modern day "deliverance ministry" from God?

  • yes

    Votes: 11 68.8%

  • no

    Votes: 3 18.8%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • other (please explain below)

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • Total voters
    16
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AnandaHya

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#101
I don't think i will even waste time reading the wall of text. For me it is enough that the person claims to be Christian and attends events like this to Prophecies and yet does not tell us how the people hated to hear the TRUTH that they are all destined for Hell for worshiping of Idols and seeking forbidden arts and practices that GOD HATES.

why did the people not BIND ALL the demons and PREVENT the event from occurring?

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ07ZxP-Qiw&feature=autoplay&list=PLCEA7D24A636F83AB&lf=rellist&playnext=1[/video]

I do not trust anyone who attends such events and boast on how well their booth went as if Jesus is just another sideshow attraction for a group of pagans looking to have a good time or a way to gain more POWER to seek after their own lusts.

James 4:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and[a] adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?

2 Corinthians 6:13-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 Now in return for the same (I speak as to children), you also be open.
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?
 
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Abiding

Guest
#102
#102
Ananda does that mean you understood my little musical chairs pun?
 
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AnandaHya

Guest
#103
#103
yes but my Father told me not to talk to those folks and to lock the door, call Him and wait until backup arrived to get rid of them.

Matthew 4:7
Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the LORD your God.’”

John 7

1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for He did not want to walk in Judea, because the Jews[a] sought to kill Him. 2 Now the Jews’ Feast of Tabernacles was at hand. 3 His brothers therefore said to Him, “Depart from here and go into Judea, that Your disciples also may see the works that You are doing. 4 For no one does anything in secret while he himself seeks to be known openly. If You do these things, show Yourself to the world.” 5 For even His brothers did not believe in Him.
6 Then Jesus said to them, “My time has not yet come, but your time is always ready. 7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil. 8 You go up to this feast. I am not yet going up to this feast, for My time has not yet fully come.” 9 When He had said these things to them, He remained in Galilee.
10 But when His brothers had gone up, then He also went up to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.

If I attended an event like that and "prophecies" I would be stoned and beaten for I would tell them they are all evil and headed for hell. They needed to repent and seek forgiveness and healing from God, but you only do things like walk into a den full of Satanic pagan worshipers if God commands you to and tells you He will be with you. then you might make it out alive, but no guarentee if you will be beaten and left for dead or not. but the happy note: if God tells you to do it, He will heal and comfort you despite your physical woes

. If you don't have a direct commission from God well the demons will just laugh at you and beat you up.
 
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Abiding

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#104
really...you think you would preach the gospel. And leave it at that? How antiquated
 
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AnandaHya

Guest
#105
#105

Acts 19:11-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
11 Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, 12 so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them. 13 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “We[a] exorcise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” 14 Also there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.
15 And the evil spirit answered and said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?”
16 Then the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, overpowered them, and prevailed against them,[c] so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

people really should not go around playing with demons and pretending to power unless the HOLY Spirit actually guides them. Its not a game and not a joke. Most who mess with the spirit world suffer. that is why God set a hedge around His children and angels to minister and protect them so they do not have to deal with demons and only have to deal with the strongholds and fleshly temptations that the demons shout to them through their shield of faith to try and tempt God's children to step out of the protective hedge God places around them.

DEMONS HAVE NO LEGAL RIGHTS! Except the right to burn in Hell for all of eternity.
 
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AnandaHya

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#107
#107
most of God's children have never encountered demons just seen the aftermath because the demons flee the scene in the presence of a true child of God. the angels chase them away. then you are left with the person they had been tormenting. the strongholds and lies and anger and hurt the abused person feels and has towards themselves and the world that they don't understand or know how to deal with. then you talk to them about God's love and Jesus and encourage them to pray and pray with them and show them some Bible verses and encourage them to go to church and do other wholesome things that will help them become the people that God created them for and help them learn to RESIST the devil and OVERCOME sin and walk with Christ after having repented and confess Jesus as Lord and Savior.

in the end it is not what YOU do that saves them but JESUS and HIS Holy Spirit that intervenes and delivers them from their bondage. their faith should not be built upon their faith in YOU but in JESUS.

Its been a long time since I've seen demons outside visions and dreams. The last time was looking through the eyes of a person worshiping at a Hindu shrine. When I start seeing demons I realize I have walked down a path God never intended for me to take.

God tells us if someone compels us to go with them a mile go two, but eventually He tells us to stop walking with them and come back home.

I'm glad to be back home.
 
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MaggieMye

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#108
#108
Maggie can tell you about some Reiki healers, no? Yes, several came through our ministry tent/camp the whole burning man thingie where supposed Christians giving fortunes and soothsaying calling them "prophecies" are right at home with the pagan sacrifice Green man burnt offering to demons. Your ignorance is AMAZING! CHRISTIANS do NOT give fortunes or do soothsaying. You OBVIOUSLY do not have knowledge of what NT prophecy is or is for. Yes because Christians who are truly in touch with God feel at home in places where if the demons actually felt threatened they would either have left and stopped the whole event from happening or have stoned the people preaching AGAINST the pagan ritual.We do NOT preach! We show the LOVE of Jesus to the hurting and lost. And the demons do feel threatened...which is why we had over 138 people that did not go with us, stay behind and pray for us while we gone. want to see what modern BAAL worship looks like?

Look up Burning man on the internet.

Some of these who claim to be Christian deliverance healers are no better curing the "disease" they caused to be placed within the person through weakening their shield of faith and using fear and intimidation and making them feel worthless and unknowledgable and seeking THEM to "heal" them instead of PRAYING to God for healing and asking GOD to teach and heal and protect them they turn and look to the "healer" again your ignorance is abundant. Have you READ the Word of God? Do you KNOW His CHARACTER? Do you understand WHY Jesus ate with sinners? I doubt it on all accounts. You could not be more wrong about what we do there. It is ALL of God. Have a look at the response of one Rieki master after his minestry time. http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=282660288414802
 
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MaggieMye

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#109
#109
I do not trust anyone who attends such events and boast on how well their booth went as if Jesus is just another sideshow attraction for a group of pagans looking to have a good time or a way to gain more POWER to seek after their own lusts. Let me say AGAIN: It is utterly ridiculous for ANYONE to go to this event. But they go. And so we go...not to join in, but to pull out...to pull the lost out of hell. Jesus is not a side show. He is the Creator, the one that loves EVERYONE more than any other person. For most of the 'burners' it is their very FIRST encounter with the Spirit of Truth and Light, that being Jesus. Why don't you get off of your religious high horse and SEE that good that comes out of that mission field. Just because it is in the US, doesn't mean the need fo Christ is any less.
 
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AnandaHya

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#110
#110
sorry the link doesn't work.

Matthew 24:24
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Mark 13:22
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-10
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


Deuteronomy 13

1 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.


it is not the nature of GOD or NT prophecy that I am ignorant of but the nature of a group of people who feel comfortable BUYING a ticket to an event like the Burning man festival.

SINNERS are DIFFERENT from Blatant IDOL WORSHIPERS. show me in the BIBLE where JESUS ATE with or attended pagan sacrifices?
 
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AnandaHya

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#111
#111
MaggieMye said:
I do not trust anyone who attends such events and boast on how well their booth went as if Jesus is just another sideshow attraction for a group of pagans looking to have a good time or a way to gain more POWER to seek after their own lusts. Let me say AGAIN: It is utterly ridiculous for ANYONE to go to this event. But they go. And so we go...not to join in, but to pull out...to pull the lost out of hell. Jesus is not a side show. He is the Creator, the one that loves EVERYONE more than any other person. For most of the 'burners' it is their very FIRST encounter with the Spirit of Truth and Light, that being Jesus. Why don't you get off of your religious high horse and SEE that good that comes out of that mission field. Just because it is in the US, doesn't mean the need fo Christ is any less.
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perhaps I will apologize if you prove me wrong.

what do you tell them? what do you prophecies concerning Jesus?

how do you lead them to the TRUTH about GOD?
 
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MaggieMye

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#112
#112
what do you tell them? We tell every person that Creator loves them and created them for a purpose; that He desires a relationship with him/her; we ask them to invite the Spirit of Truth to come and to reveal to them things in their lives that have hindered them from becoming the person that they were created to be. Holy Spirit often gives us pictures of them when younger that show how a wounding took place; that a parent was lost/died, that there was a major betrayal or rejection. Sometimes He gives us a picture of what God's call on their life really is. When prompted by Holy Spirit, we pull things/cast off things that stand in the way of them receiving from the Lord.
Remember that many have been hurt by the 'church' and will put up a wall if you start speaking "Christianese".

what do you prophecies concerning Jesus?Prophecy is for the edification, comfort and exhortation of man in the NT. 1 Corinthians 14:3 "But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation." So I'm not really sure what you are asking. We do not "prophesy" about Jesus...to do so would be unBiblical...unless it would be to reveal something that He is going to be doing in a person's life.

how do you lead them to the TRUTH about GOD? Luke 11: 10-14"For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened. 11 Now [a]suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? 12 Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your [c]heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?” We invite him/her to invite the Spirit of Truth to come. And they always do because they WANT TRUTH. No one wants lies of any kind. Sometimes, at the unction of Holy Spirit, we also invite them to invite the Spirit of Truth to come and live inside them and be with them forever. And they always do. And then we share with them that the Spirit of Truth's name is Jesus. And in the four years I've been going the BM, only ONE person got ticked off. And then she revealed that she had a born-again, spirit-filled grandmother praying for her. She was like, "My grandmother sent you to me, didn't she!?" and the tone was a bit angry. I told her, "You are the one that came to OUR tent". So what she did not receive Jesus in her heart (actually she had as a younger child or teen and was brought up in the Church) she did walk away with a revelation of the love that Jesus has for her. We know that because before she found out that it was JESUS, she was overwhelmed with the atmosphere of love and peace...that spirit of Love and truth that she was engaging with.
Our SOLE purpose of going to BM is to bring revelation of Jesus Christ to the lost.
 
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Abiding

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#113
The gospel of love and peace is cool! and so is the spirit of truth thingy.
I know you wrote just a paragraph. But according to Gods plan of salvation
the first step is in a broken heart and repentance the Holyspirit empowers
the person to have. I realize there is love in the gospel. But there is
something missing in this story, or its just a farce.

Never could i believe we can just build a tent for spirit exchange...have a nice day dude.
Nothing happens thats genuine as this story is told so far.
 
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MaggieMye

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#114
#114
according to Gods plan of salvation the first step is in a broken heart and repentance the Holyspirit empowers
the person to have. No, the FIRST step is to HEAR, which is why we are commissioned to spread the Gospel. If we don't TELL the lost, they will never come to understand that they need to repent. Holy Spirit does not empower someone to repent. He empowers believers for ministry. Those that need to repent will not be forced to do so and every person ever born needs no more power other than to CHOOSE to repent. I realize there is love in the gospel. But there is
something missing in this story, or its just a farce. something missing? Like what? We have roughly a half hour with any given person. It is all seed planted.

Never could i believe we can just build a tent for spirit exchange...have a nice day dude. I'm not a dude, thank you.
Nothing happens thats genuine as this story is told so far. believe what you want. I've seen the Lord work in this place, drawing the lost to Himself and even healing many.

"tent for spirit exchange?? see below

BibleGateway.com - Keyword Search: tent of meeting
 
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Abiding

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#115
#115
MaggieMye said:
according to Gods plan of salvation the first step is in a broken heart and repentance the Holyspirit empowers
the person to have. No, the FIRST step is to HEAR, which is why we are commissioned to spread the Gospel. If we don't TELL the lost, they will never come to understand that they need to repent. Holy Spirit does not empower someone to repent. He empowers believers for ministry. Those that need to repent will not be forced to do so and every person ever born needs no more power other than to CHOOSE to repent. I realize there is love in the gospel. But there is
something missing in this story, or its just a farce. something missing? Like what? We have roughly a half hour with any given person. It is all seed planted.

Never could i believe we can just build a tent for spirit exchange...have a nice day dude. I'm not a dude, thank you.
Nothing happens thats genuine as this story is told so far. believe what you want. I've seen the Lord work in this place, drawing the lost to Himself and even healing many.

"tent for spirit exchange?? see below

BibleGateway.com - Keyword Search: tent of meeting
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No i was not calling you a dude :) ha...no man can truly repent on his own. He has to be drawn and
empowered to do it. Needs grace to see himself as God sees Him and who he really. Sure the man
may apply a micro something in the process but not much. Thats why we are to pray that God will permit a man to repent. But repentance comes before anything. Now i can believe you can preach the gospel, but
to offer someone the Holyspirit? Thats not in our power to do.
 
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MaggieMye

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#116
it is not the nature of GOD or NT prophecy that I am ignorant of but the nature of a group of people who feel comfortable BUYING a ticket to an event like the Burning man festival. Well, I would agree with you. You ARE ignorant of why we go and what we do, even though I've explained it more than once and in a manner that is easily understood. Your religious spirits are showing! Buying a ticket? you mean spending money to be able to attend? What is your problem? We spend the money that we earn or are gifted for the purpose of going to do THAT ministry. You are dealing with religious spirits that would have you sit at your computer, debating any issue rather than actually getting off your butt and DOING God's word!!

SINNERS are DIFFERENT from Blatant IDOL WORSHIPERS. show me in the BIBLE where JESUS ATE with or attended pagan sacrifices? ALL sinners ARE idol worshipers, friend. Everyone that sins is putting SOMETHING as first and higher than God. And..FYI, no one does sacrifices at BM. So you are arguing without intelligence concerning BM. It is not pagan, but NEO-pagan. There is a difference. You think it's OK to go to the witchcraft tribes and voodoo tribes in South America and Africa, many of which wear very little and many of the women are bare-breasted, but it's not OK to minister to the lost in our own backyard? That is hypocritical. THAT is a religious attitude devoid of the love of God towards the lost
Maggie
 
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AnandaHya

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#117
#117
MaggieMye said:
it is not the nature of GOD or NT prophecy that I am ignorant of but the nature of a group of people who feel comfortable BUYING a ticket to an event like the Burning man festival. Well, I would agree with you. You ARE ignorant of why we go and what we do, even though I've explained it more than once and in a manner that is easily understood. Your religious spirits are showing! Buying a ticket? you mean spending money to be able to attend? What is your problem? We spend the money that we earn or are gifted for the purpose of going to do THAT ministry. You are dealing with religious spirits that would have you sit at your computer, debating any issue rather than actually getting off your butt and DOING God's word!!

oh yes and the ad hominem untrue attacks begin. just when I was inclined to give you the benefit of doubt that you were not intentionally giving only half the truth and therefor lying by omission. Antinomian doctrine. I'm sure someone with more time can explain it to you

SINNERS are DIFFERENT from Blatant IDOL WORSHIPERS. show me in the BIBLE where JESUS ATE with or attended pagan sacrifices? ALL sinners ARE idol worshipers, friend. Everyone that sins is putting SOMETHING as first and higher than God. And..FYI, no one does sacrifices at BM. So you are arguing without intelligence concerning BM. It is not pagan, but NEO-pagan. There is a difference. You think it's OK to go to the witchcraft tribes and voodoo tribes in South America and Africa, many of which wear very little and many of the women are bare-breasted, but it's not OK to minister to the lost in our own backyard? That is hypocritical. THAT is a religious attitude devoid of the love of God towards the lost
Maggie
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the big burning guy is an ancient pagan tradition that dates back to the fertility rituals that used to be practiced in Wales and other parts of the world. Research GREEN MAN. they used to toss in live babies as well but since Jesus came that has been frowned upon, but wait a while and when Satan is allowed his little season you will see horrors unspeakable.

I have no problem with you ministering to the lost here. My question is are you teaching the Gospel or another doctrine?

Do your thing, God will take care of it. If it is good it will stand, if it is not I pray He reveals it to you before unrevocable harm is done.
 
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AnandaHya

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#118
Abiding said:
No i was not calling you a dude :) ha...no man can truly repent on his own. He has to be drawn and
empowered to do it. Needs grace to see himself as God sees Him and who he really. Sure the man
may apply a micro something in the process but not much. Thats why we are to pray that God will permit a man to repent. But repentance comes before anything.

Now i can believe you can preach the gospel, but
to offer someone the Holyspirit? Thats not in our power to do.
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God's grace is truly amazing.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbe7OruLk8I&feature=related[/video]
 
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MaggieMye

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#119
#119
Now i can believe you can preach the gospel, but
to offer someone the Holyspirit? Thats not in our power to do.
Yes it is. Christ WITHIN us.
 
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