Demise of Repentance

[eternally-gratefull]

What does free from the bondage of sin mean?

a few things

1. Free from the penalty of sin (spiritual death)
2. Free from being a slave to sin (I no longer have to submit to its power)
3. Free from the ugly consequences of sin as I learn to trust God and am conformed his his image
4. Free from the fear of judgment as a result of my sin

Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”

I did not receive God. God adopted me into his family

 

[loveme1]

Thank you for replying, so you Keep the 10 commandments of Yahvah God and Faith of Yahshua the Messiah?

I find it difficult to see what you all differ on.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thank you for replying, so you Keep the 10 commandments of Yahvah God and Faith of Yahshua the Messiah?

I find it difficult to see what you all differ on.

I keep them out of gratitude and understanding God said no because it will harm me. It is in my best interest to say no, because If I don't, something bad will happen to me or those around me, Which is why he said no to begin with. Like a parent who says no because they know something will harm you.

he keeps it hoping God will see how good he is and somehow save his eternal soul.

 

[loveme1]

I keep them out of gratitude and understanding God said no because it will harm me. It is in my best interest to say no, because If I don't, something bad will happen to me or those around me, Which is why he said no to begin with. Like a parent who says no because they know something will harm you.

he keeps it hoping God will see how good he is and somehow save his eternal soul.

Peace be with you.

Gratitude and obedience, love in action.

 

[Tommy4Christ]

Freedom from the bondages of sin ,comes from action or choice to stop the sin before God grants mercy, hense repentance unto salvation. 2 Cor 7-10.

Real repentance isn't a fruit of salvation, but unto salvation, you repent, be converted, so that your sins may be blotted out! Acts 3-19.

If repentance is complete and through, you then receive the implanted word with meekness(Jesus), not trusting He took your place or is your cloak for unrepentant sins, but when you repent you touch His blood, as it purges your dead conscience of dead works to serve the living God. Heb 9-14.

The bondages are broken now, as you actually crucify your flesh with Christ, Gal 2-20, walking in newness of life, 2 Cor 5-17.

Jesus didn't obey for you, you are not a Romans wretch sinner, IF you actually repented as commanded to do, and walk in the spirit giving no provision to the flesh! Gal 5-16.

This is not taught In the churches today I am afraid, its all saved In sin, man is incapable to stop sinning against God until God works His power in thier life, so when Jesus said I have come to set the captives free He meant it, by putting to death the power of darkness in the life of the repentant soul.

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who does righteousness is righteous, even as that One is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He who practices sin is of the Devil, for the Devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was revealed, that He might undo the works of the Devil.
1Jn 3:9 Everyone who has been born of God does not commit sin, because His seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Freedom from the bondages of sin ,comes from action or choice to stop the sin before God grants mercy, hense repentance unto salvation. 2 Cor 7-10.

see what I mean?

Scripture says when we are dead in sin, we can do no righteousness. we can do no good whatever. we can't even chose to do good, we will always follow our flesh. and even when we do what appears to be good. it is evil in the sight of God because it is not for the right reasons.

Tommy here thinks you can, and our eternal life depends on doing what the word of God says is impossible for you to do.

I rest my case!

 

[Tombo]

Freedom from the bondages of sin ,comes from action or choice to stop the sin before God grants mercy, hense repentance unto salvation. 2 Cor 7-10.

Real repentance isn't a fruit of salvation, but unto salvation, you repent, be converted, so that your sins may be blotted out! Acts 3-19.

If repentance is complete and through, you then receive the implanted word with meekness(Jesus), not trusting He took your place or is your cloak for unrepentant sins, but when you repent you touch His blood, as it purges your dead conscience of dead works to serve the living God. Heb 9-14.

The bondages are broken now, as you actually crucify your flesh with Christ, Gal 2-20, walking in newness of life, 2 Cor 5-17.

Jesus didn't obey for you, you are not a Romans wretch sinner, IF you actually repented as commanded to do, and walk in the spirit giving no provision to the flesh! Gal 5-16.

This is not taught In the churches today I am afraid, its all saved In sin, man is incapable to stop sinning against God until God works His power in thier life, so when Jesus said I have come to set the captives free He meant it, by putting to death the power of darkness in the life of the repentant soul.

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who does righteousness is righteous, even as that One is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He who practices sin is of the Devil, for the Devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was revealed, that He might undo the works of the Devil.
1Jn 3:9 Everyone who has been born of God does not commit sin, because His seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

This is really some scary stuff being taught here!!!!
No one can produce repentance of themselves, it is the gift of God in salvation.

2 Timothy 2:25 "correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant
them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,"

Don't trust in your own repentance, rely totally on Christ to save you to the uttermost. Good works will flow from your salvation, not the other way around.
God bless.

Tom

 

[RedTent]

It's a shame how this false teacher whose videos you keep posting has lead you astray into working for your salvation and losing your salvation based on what you do.
I'll pray for you, brother. And I don't mean that flippantly. I know I have made comments to you in the past that mocked this false doctrine of working for your salvation, but I am genuinely concerned for your soul.
I pray that God will make you see that salvation is all His work from first to last. A person doesn't make themselves well first and then call a physician. Call on the Lord Jesus Christ to save you. Be like the tax collector, humble yourself and ask for His free forgiveness. Don't bring any works before the Lord, they are nothing but filthy rags in His sight.
God bless, my friend.

Tom

There are lots of fancy words thrown around that cloud understanding of our Father. “Crucify the flesh” “not under law” “legalism” “works are filthy rags” “working for salvation”.

Jesus said “if you would enter life, keep the commandments”. Jesus said “if you love me you will keep my commandments”. If Paul tells me that I am not to do that, then Paul is going to have to go. My God comes before anything in my life. Jesus showed me repentance that leads to forgiveness when I fail, but I am going to work, (yes, work) just as much as I can to obey.

Paul was given a commission to show salvation to the gentiles, to train them in how they can be included in His Kingdom. If Paul is going to tell me that I must not follow Jesus, then Paul is out of line, or there is something you aren't undersanding.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There are lots of fancy words thrown around that cloud understanding of our Father. “Crucify the flesh” “not under law” “legalism” “works are filthy rags” “working for salvation”.

Jesus said “if you would enter life, keep the commandments”. Jesus said “if you love me you will keep my commandments”. If Paul tells me that I am not to do that, then Paul is going to have to go. My God comes before anything in my life. Jesus showed me repentance that leads to forgiveness when I fail, but I am going to work, (yes, work) just as much as I can to obey.

Paul was given a commission to show salvation to the gentiles, to train them in how they can be included in His Kingdom. If Paul is going to tell me that I must not follow Jesus, then Paul is out of line, or there is something you aren't undersanding.

Non of what you said will help you get to heaven.

As a child of God, we must do those things. But if we are not adopted by him it will not help us one iota. Your still dead in sin.

Think about it. If we could do all those things, and by doing them be worthy to enter heaven, Christ died in vein,

 

[WomanLovesTX]

If you love Almighty Yahvah God with all your heart and soul you would take delight in the Sabbath and not consider it a yoke around your neck so to speak..................


If you love Almighty Yahvah God with all your heart and soul you would listen to him when he says swine is not to be eaten.



Sin is a trespass of the 10 commandments.

They are still to be kept, otherwise there is no sin.

Yahshua the Messiah never said we are not under the 10 commandments.


<< 1 John 5 >>
King James Version
1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Amen! This is what Yah has shown me also. I also remember that Christ Y'shua saved us from the CURSE OF THE LAW....He did not save us from keeping the law, as in saying we have no law to keep. That would be lawlessness and yet Satan has blinded many to believe that keeping Yah's laws is legalism. No...His Word is very clear, multiplied and opened to understanding to those who can understand the scriptures from the Jewish Hebraic perspective of the writers of the New Testament. The only "scriptures" they had was what we are calling Old Testament (which is really Torah/Instructions/First five books of OT, and the prophecies.)

I would rather be legal than illegal (lawless), so I gladly take the commandments to heart, soul, mind and life every single day. Remember, Jesus was Legal and not lawless. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. He does not change. So dare not to teach lawlessness as though the keeping of the commandments is forbidden work. (But do not follow in anything that is added to the Word of Yah as the Pharisees had done and taught the people the tradition of the elders (oral extra unbiblical laws - not necessary - Yah's law are perfect and do not need to be done away with or added to. When I began to understand and see and hear...great JOY!!! All that mainstream traditional christian teaching fell aside and I hope the birds ate it, because it was useless in my walk with Y'shua.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

As an Israelite (adopted by being grafted into the olive tree - Romans 11), I am able to receive this command:

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

And Jesus quoted from the Old Testament.....

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

To love His laws is very much loving Him! Our allegiance is made known by whom we serve. Without the law you would not have anything to repent of. The law is not done away with only the curse of the law is done away with when you have the perfect blood sacrfice of Y'shua the Messiah covering you. Repent of not keeping His law and then show your love to God by keeping them. All ten commandments, His calendar, His 7 Appointments (they are not Jewish Feasts/Holy Days...they are Yahwey's).

I will be so blatant as to say if you serve your Lord with a Sunday replacement day - then you are serving the man-made church and traditions and not the founder of the true church/ekklesia/body of Christ. If your saviour replaced Israel, then you better start reading with a prayer asking the Holy Spirit to guide you into Yah's truths.

Time is ticking and we are in the last days. Allow Yah to strip away the layers of untruth so that you can absorb His light, His way, and His truth.

 

[Red33]

Amen! This is what Yah has shown me also. I also remember that Christ Y'shua saved us from the CURSE OF THE LAW....He did not save us from keeping the law, as in saying we have no law to keep. That would be lawlessness and yet Satan has blinded many to believe that keeping Yah's laws is legalism. No...His Word is very clear, multiplied and opened to understanding to those who can understand the scriptures from the Jewish Hebraic perspective of the writers of the New Testament. The only "scriptures" they had was what we are calling Old Testament (which is really Torah/Instructions/First five books of OT, and the prophecies.)

I would rather be legal than illegal (lawless), so I gladly take the commandments to heart, soul, mind and life every single day. Remember, Jesus was Legal and not lawless. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. He does not change. So dare not to teach lawlessness as though the keeping of the commandments is forbidden work. (But do not follow in anything that is added to the Word of Yah as the Pharisees had done and taught the people the tradition of the elders (oral extra unbiblical laws - not necessary - Yah's law are perfect and do not need to be done away with or added to. When I began to understand and see and hear...great JOY!!! All that mainstream traditional christian teaching fell aside and I hope the birds ate it, because it was useless in my walk with Y'shua.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

As an Israelite (adopted by being grafted into the olive tree - Romans 11), I am able to receive this command:

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

Mk 2:23-28

23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Has this passage found no place in you heart under grace and not the law? Should the disciples and David with his men be considered transgressors of the law for plucking corn on the Sabbath and eating the shewbread that was to only be eaten by the priests? Was our Lord condoning the breaking of the law without retribution? David and the disciples were still under the law but were not condemned for their actions nor were the disciples told to repent for working on the Sabbath. Has the Lord showed you that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath or is keeping the Sabbath a law that you obey to be holy? Do you judge others who do not keep the Sabbath and consider them to be transgressors? Is it a transgression if we do not keep the Sabbath or if we do work on the Sabbath? If is is a transgression then the disciples and David got away with transgressing the law and God must winked at their sin.

Jm 2:9-11

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

If you shall keep the whole law and yet offend in just one point, you are guilty of breaking all or the whole law. Is this what Christ came to do when He fulfilled the law? Did He want us to live under the law and fulfill it in every point or did He want us to trust Him and live under grace to walk by faith in the promises? It is really the law verses the promises because the law came by Moses but the promises of grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

The cross abolished and condemned the flesh that lived under the law and attained unto righteousness by keeping the law.

Rom 9:30-32

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith:
31 but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling;

Keeping the law is not the righteousness of God that we have by faith and in keeping of the law no man is justified.

Gal 2:16-19

16 Yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 But if, while we sought to be justified in Christ, we ourselves also were found sinners, is Christ a minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build up again those things which I destroyed, I prove myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law died unto the law, that I might live unto God.

If you keep the Sabbath you are not justified anymore than I am if I do not keep the Sabbath. You would consider me a transgressor for not keeping the law but would you give me grace under the law or would you condemn me as a transgressor? If you are under the law and not grace, how have you been saved from the curse of the law?

Gal 3:10-13

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Being under the law will always point to you as a transgressor but under grace Christ will point you to the cross where He was judged for your sins and transgressions and you are free from condemnation. Under the law, if you transgress, you are not free from condemnation and you have no advocate, but under grace, if you sin, you can point to Christ as our advocate (1Jn 2:1) because He was judged in our place and there is no condemnation. You can't mix the law with grace and Christ came that we might be free from not only the curse of the law but from any righteousness that came from obeying the law through the flesh...

Rom 8:3-8

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

The law could not condemn sin but only the sinner because of the flesh. But Christ came and condemned sin in His flesh, so that we could believe in His righteousness by faith and have that righteousness fulfilled in us, nor by keeping the law but by walking after the Spirit by faith. To do the deeds of the law or to keep the law in the flesh will only make us mindful of the flesh and that is to be carnally minded, which is death. If I am trying to keep the law and doing the deeds of the law perfectly after the flesh, I am carnally minded and I am not, in the eyes of God, even subject to the law of God and I am at enmity against God. If this is the way I walk then I cannot please God in anything that I do according to the law. Even if I try to love God when I am keeping the law, it is not of faith and God has no pleasure in it. Is it any wonder why NO MAN is justified through the works of the law (Gal 2:16).

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Mk 2:23-28

23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Has this passage found no place in you heart under grace and not the law? Should the disciples and David with his men be considered transgressors of the law for plucking corn on the Sabbath and eating the shewbread that was to only be eaten by the priests? Was our Lord condoning the breaking of the law without retribution? David and the disciples were still under the law but were not condemned for their actions nor were the disciples told to repent for working on the Sabbath. Has the Lord showed you that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath or is keeping the Sabbath a law that you obey to be holy? Do you judge others who do not keep the Sabbath and consider them to be transgressors? Is it a transgression if we do not keep the Sabbath or if we do work on the Sabbath? If is is a transgression then the disciples and David got away with transgressing the law and God must winked at their sin.

Jm 2:9-11

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

If you shall keep the whole law and yet offend in just one point, you are guilty of breaking all or the whole law. Is this what Christ came to do when He fulfilled the law? Did He want us to live under the law and fulfill it in every point or did He want us to trust Him and live under grace to walk by faith in the promises? It is really the law verses the promises because the law came by Moses but the promises of grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

The cross abolished and condemned the flesh that lived under the law and attained unto righteousness by keeping the law.

Rom 9:30-32

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith:
31 but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling;

Keeping the law is not the righteousness of God that we have by faith and in keeping of the law no man is justified.

Gal 2:16-19

16 Yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 But if, while we sought to be justified in Christ, we ourselves also were found sinners, is Christ a minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build up again those things which I destroyed, I prove myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law died unto the law, that I might live unto God.

If you keep the Sabbath you are not justified anymore than I am if I do not keep the Sabbath. You would consider me a transgressor for not keeping the law but would you give me grace under the law or would you condemn me as a transgressor? If you are under the law and not grace, how have you been saved from the curse of the law?

Gal 3:10-13

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Being under the law will always point to you as a transgressor but under grace Christ will point you to the cross where He was judged for your sins and transgressions and you are free from condemnation. Under the law, if you transgress, you are not free from condemnation and you have no advocate, but under grace, if you sin, you can point to Christ as our advocate (1Jn 2:1) because He was judged in our place and there is no condemnation. You can't mix the law with grace and Christ came that we might be free from not only the curse of the law but from any righteousness that came from obeying the law through the flesh...

Rom 8:3-8

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

The law could not condemn sin but only the sinner because of the flesh. But Christ came and condemned sin in His flesh, so that we could believe in His righteousness by faith and have that righteousness fulfilled in us, nor by keeping the law but by walking after the Spirit by faith. To do the deeds of the law or to keep the law in the flesh will only make us mindful of the flesh and that is to be carnally minded, which is death. If I am trying to keep the law and doing the deeds of the law perfectly after the flesh, I am carnally minded and I am not, in the eyes of God, even subject to the law of God and I am at enmity against God. If this is the way I walk then I cannot please God in anything that I do according to the law. Even if I try to love God when I am keeping the law, it is not of faith and God has no pleasure in it. Is it any wonder why NO MAN is justified through the works of the law (Gal 2:16).

One must rightly divide the word of God. There was the law of the Pharisees (the extra bibilical and oral traditions of the elders.) You appear to be looking at the New Testament pinnings as though there is only one definition to "law" and that "law" is always bad. There is law of Yahwey (pinned by Moses which is good and for righteousness.) Then after the diaspora the Pharisees began pinning the Talmud - the oral law of traditions.) Jesus was addressing the Pharisees in regard to their extra non-godly laws that they made up to address how the written law was to be kept. They were self-righteous in keeping these traditions of the elders. So if you are coming from a anti-semitic view, that is a hatred towards "Jews" and anything that they did or do now, then you are coming into a view with a lop-sided view and are not seeing the whole picture.

Jesus speaking of the Pharisees: Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is,

Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Do you love Y'shua and keep His commandments?

His commandments are the Torah/instructions/first five books of the OT -

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Is Y'shua's commandments different from His Fathers?

Y'shua called them His commandments because He and the Father are ONE.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Keep the commandments of God? And Jesus said keep my commandments, even as I have kept my Father's commandments.

Can you not even obey Y'shua in the keeping the commandments of God? Apparently you are in darkness Red and cannot see and hear that keeping the commandments of God are good and for righteousness. Y'shua's blood and death took the curse of the law away, but He did not remove the "doing" away.

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Do you know Y'shua? John says if we keep His commandments that we know Him. Now, when John was teaching and writing, what was his background? He didn't have the letters of the New Testament to quote from, did he? No, he was teaching the new believers from the Old Testament...from the Torah/written instruction of Yahwey.

But the word to many of the mainstream traditional christian believers is this:

1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

You say you know the truth and keeping of the commandments is wrong? John, as stated above says the truth is not in him who DOES NOT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

What commandments are not grievous? Keeping the Sabbath? Having no other gods before Him? Keeping paganism out of our lives by not participating in Christmas and Easter and Sun day worship? Keeping objects of idolatry out of our daily life...like symbolism of the cross or a Virgin Mary to bow to?

2Jn 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

DO YOU SEE THE WORD "AND"?

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that DO HIS commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Red, the problem I see with your many text is that you are using only one definition for the whole lot and that is simply just incorrect. When you understand from the writer's point of view of a Hebrewic mindset and not from the Greeco/Roman mindset you will be able to discern the differences of which laws are being railed against.

May God Bless Us all as WE

love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might and Keep His commandments which are not grievous.

And may we know that Y'shua

Removed the CURSE of the law, which is death. The law is not death, the curse of the law was death. Through Y'shua's perfect sacrificial blood, Him as our passover lamb, we are saved by the GRACE of Yahwey. AMEN.

 

[Red33]

There is a major difference in keeping the law and living by God's promises. Keeping the law requires me to do something but living by the promises of God requires faith on my part and fulfilling them on God's part. The just shall live by faith in the promises of God and when we walk in the Spirit, who quickens us and brings to our remembrance the word that we have been taught, we are fulfilling the righteousness of the law. In the gospel of Christ the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith (Rom 1:17).

We live by the promises of God and meditate on the word (the law of the Lord) day and night. I don't meditate on keeping the Sabbath, I meditate on His word live in Christ who is the Lord of the Sabbath that was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. Every day is a day of rest because we rest in the Lord of the Sabbath. We gather ourselves together unto the Lord of the Sabbath. We pluck corn on the Sabbath and Christ is with us when we do it. We are hid with Christ in the God of the Sabbath. We find faith in Christ, repentance in Christ, deliverance in Christ, hope and rest in Christ, all the promises are in Christ and they are yea and amen. We find our righteousness in Christ and our redemption is in Christ and our sanctification is in Christ through His word. For us to live is Christ, not the law, but by faith in the living word that transforms us and renews us and forms Christ in us.

 

[RedTent]

Red, these are fine sounding words and there is a lot of truth buried here. But it isn’t working. If it was you would see it by the fruits of the church, and there is little difference in the lives that the people of the church live and the lives of the secular community. Scripture tells us to look for the fruits.

Just doing the work gets us nowhere, Remember the guy in Christ’s time who paraded up and down the street showing everyone he was fasting? He was doing the work but without any awareness of including God in his work. He would also get howhere if he went in a corner and fasted in his heart without doing any of it. You can't fast in your heart while you are eating ice cream.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

There is a major difference in keeping the law and living by God's promises. Keeping the law requires me to do something but living by the promises of God requires faith on my part and fulfilling them on God's part. The just shall live by faith in the promises of God and when we walk in the Spirit, who quickens us and brings to our remembrance the word that we have been taught, we are fulfilling the righteousness of the law. In the gospel of Christ the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith (Rom 1:17).

We live by the promises of God and meditate on the word (the law of the Lord) day and night. I don't meditate on keeping the Sabbath, I meditate on His word live in Christ who is the Lord of the Sabbath that was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. Every day is a day of rest because we rest in the Lord of the Sabbath. We gather ourselves together unto the Lord of the Sabbath. We pluck corn on the Sabbath and Christ is with us when we do it. We are hid with Christ in the God of the Sabbath. We find faith in Christ, repentance in Christ, deliverance in Christ, hope and rest in Christ, all the promises are in Christ and they are yea and amen. We find our righteousness in Christ and our redemption is in Christ and our sanctification is in Christ through His word. For us to live is Christ, not the law, but by faith in the living word that transforms us and renews us and forms Christ in us.

So you are saying the commandments are not for you in this dispensation of time. Even though it was still to be held by all the New Testament writers as shown above in previous post?

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Red, these are fine sounding words and there is a lot of truth buried here. But it isn’t working. If it was you would see it by the fruits of the church, and there is little difference in the lives that the people of the church live and the lives of the secular community. Scripture tells us to look for the fruits.

Just doing the work gets us nowhere, Remember the guy in Christ’s time who paraded up and down the street showing everyone he was fasting? He was doing the work but without any awareness of including God in his work. He would also get howhere if he went in a corner and fasted in his heart without doing any of it. You can't fast in your heart while you are eating ice cream.

LOL - I haven't laughed out loud like this in a long time. So true!

 

[Red33]

So you are saying the commandments are not for you in this dispensation of time. Even though it was still to be held by all the New Testament writers as shown above in previous post?

There are numerous commandments we are given under the new covenant of grace, Husbands love your wives as Christ loves the church, that is a command for husbands, commandments for the wife and for children to obey their parents. We have commandments for elders, for deacons, for pastor-teachers, and for all the saints in relationship to those leaders given to the church. We are to obey them, submit to what they teach, remember and know them and give them double honor and esteem them very highly for their works sake. These are things that the average believer knows nothing about let alone obeying them and there are those that would not obey them when they are told to do it right there in their Bible.

We are to forgive one another, that is a mandate and command. We are to love one another, edify one another, pray for one another, build one another up, be filled with the Spirit and be kind and tender hearted, minister grace to one another and all these are commandments. All of these are to be obeyed by faith through grace and in the power of the Holy Spirit as we are lead by the Spirit. The ten are nothing compared to that which we have been given in Christ. The two great commandments are fulfilled in Christ by faith through the Holy Spirit that dwells in us.

Jesus said this, 'You have heard it has been said according to the law that thou shalt not commit adultery, but I say that if a man looks upon a woman and lusts after her he has already committed adultery in his heart.' That is a little tougher then what we have in the 10 commandments. It is going to take the grace of God in the heart to keep that man from doing it in his heart. BUT, if we fail and our heart condemns us, we are not to condemn ourselves and God is greater than our heart. This is all because we are under grace and not the law. Because we are under grace and have the Spirit shedding the love of God operationally in our heart, the commandments are not grievous.

 

[Red33]

Red, these are fine sounding words and there is a lot of truth buried here. But it isn’t working. If it was you would see it by the fruits of the church, and there is little difference in the lives that the people of the church live and the lives of the secular community. Scripture tells us to look for the fruits.

Just doing the work gets us nowhere, Remember the guy in Christ’s time who paraded up and down the street showing everyone he was fasting? He was doing the work but without any awareness of including God in his work. He would also get howhere if he went in a corner and fasted in his heart without doing any of it. You can't fast in your heart while you are eating ice cream.

Are you telling me that a man of your age has not come to the conclusion and practice of faith that lives by the promises of God? The fruit will come when we walk in the Spirit and live by faith-obedience in the promises of God. I hope that you have all your senses to understand this kind of simplicity that is in Christ.

I don't know what church or churches you have been acquainted with but all I have ever known are fruitful ones that love God, minister grace, preach the gospel, labour in the word and the love of God, that actually go out on purpose to win the lost, that train up and send teams of missionaries all over the world to preach and make disciples of all men, that lay their life down for the brethren and go the extra mile and serve one another in the love of God and practice mercy and not judging others and spend hours in private and corporate prayer without ceasing. In my book that is MUCH fruit and that includes hundreds and hundreds of souls being saved and added to the church, one on one and one by one for over (40) years. How can anyone boast other than in the Lord on that?

 

[loveme1]

There is a major difference in keeping the law and living by God's promises. Keeping the law requires me to do something but living by the promises of God requires faith on my part and fulfilling them on God's part. The just shall live by faith in the promises of God and when we walk in the Spirit, who quickens us and brings to our remembrance the word that we have been taught, we are fulfilling the righteousness of the law. In the gospel of Christ the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith (Rom 1:17).

We live by the promises of God and meditate on the word (the law of the Lord) day and night. I don't meditate on keeping the Sabbath, I meditate on His word live in Christ who is the Lord of the Sabbath that was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. Every day is a day of rest because we rest in the Lord of the Sabbath. We gather ourselves together unto the Lord of the Sabbath. We pluck corn on the Sabbath and Christ is with us when we do it. We are hid with Christ in the God of the Sabbath. We find faith in Christ, repentance in Christ, deliverance in Christ, hope and rest in Christ, all the promises are in Christ and they are yea and amen. We find our righteousness in Christ and our redemption is in Christ and our sanctification is in Christ through His word. For us to live is Christ, not the law, but by faith in the living word that transforms us and renews us and forms Christ in us.

The Disciples plucked corn to eat........... If they plucked it to take and sell, then this would of been different.


You have to remember the Pharisees were making the Sabbath a burden by adding to it.

Yahshua the Messiah was teaching against the tradition of man, and restoring Almighty Yahvah God's Law.

If you love the Lord of the Sabbath, you see it a blessing to keep.

You do not make it a "rest in him all week"................

We who strive to keep the commandments of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah do it out of love, and love is a doing word.

If we keep the commandments of Yahvah God and Faith of Yahshua the Messiah we do not make our Salvation void. The Bible is clear who the Saints are:

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

My trespasses sentenced me to death, I accepted Salvation and can be forgiven, and all this love and appreciation I have is being put into action.

I now want to behave myself, so I strive to Keep the Commandments of Yahvah God, since breaking those sentenced me to death, and Yahshua the Messiah's blood cleans me, how then do I continue to trespass?


I have said before, if someone pulls you out of a fire, you do not turn round and run back into the fire.