Demise of Repentance
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You guys and girls who are Jewish, who do you belong to, Israel or to the body of Christ, the church? There is no temple for you to worship and offer sacrifices, so who has redeemed you with His blood and where has He placed you? If you are part of the church and body of Christ, you have so such command to keep the Sabbath. If you think you do then you are living under the old law and not the new law, the perfect law of liberty. The new law is one of faith and the old law is not of faith. The new law is better and has better promises and the old has been superseded.
The old law came by Moses but the new law came by grace and truth through Christ. Either Jesus Christ the Messiah is your head and you are a member of His body or you are none of His and not of Him. Either Christ has put you under grace or you have remained under the law and must live by every word of it and if you fail or offend in one point you are guilty of all and must be condemned by it. If you judge others according to the law you will be judged by the law and you have become a judge and not a doer of it. And if this be the case you are proud and you know nothing about our Lord and the grace of God that has appeared unto men. You can say and call Him whatever name you want but if you are under the law then you are are debtor to it.
I do not second guess Almighty Yahvah God.
Our Almighty Yahvah God is long suffering, I will not add any more suffering.
I love my Yahvah God with all my heart and soul...
I am forever grateful for my Salvation, a wretch like me saved by grace will bow down for eternity.
I pray for strength and seek understanding.
Yahshua the Messiah gave us this prayer:
Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever.
So be it.
I am sure you are trying to convict me of working for Salvation, and think I believe it will be lost in a trespass, but that is not so, I have been shown love and forgiveness, and I will strive to show my love and appreciation.
Love works both ways.
The Ten Commandments are our way of knowing how to strive for righteousness by what Almighty Yahvah God see's as righteousness.
Then please explain the verses I wrote earlier?
The Bible is clear who the Saints are.
Calling us Jewish, well yes it is in my bloodline......
But you forget that Yahshua is Jewish.......... He kept the Law, he died to clean us of our sin, so we can be blessed with the Holy Spirit.
He kept the Law and suffered in our place, he did not remove sin, he removed the death sentence for sin.
I belong to Almighty Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
The Bible is clear who the Saints are.
Calling us Jewish, well yes it is in my bloodline......
But you forget that Yahshua is Jewish.......... He kept the Law, he died to clean us of our sin, so we can be blessed with the Holy Spirit.
He kept the Law and suffered in our place, he did not remove sin, he removed the death sentence for sin.
I belong to Almighty Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
I would love to hear you say His name JESUS, over and over and over again. Let the name of JESUS come forth from your lips, the only name under heaven whereby a man can be saved (Acts 4:12, 2:21, Rom 10:3). The name given to the only begotten Son of God.
Mt 1:21
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Jesus is the sweetest name I know,
for He's just the same, as His lovely name,
and that's the reason why I love Him so,
for Jesus is the sweetest name I know.
Rev 22:20,21
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Mt 1:21
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Jesus is the sweetest name I know,
for He's just the same, as His lovely name,
and that's the reason why I love Him so,
for Jesus is the sweetest name I know.
Rev 22:20,21
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
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Since this Skinski7 swears he has never seen a response to his question regarding scripture passages, thought I would bring this back up, to prove he has been answered but refuses to see it!
No we don't, we fight against it. And we understand those who are born of God can not continue in sin (1 john)
We not only fight against that, but we fight against people who teach self righteous deeds trying to earn salvation.
What is there to adress? What paul said was true. if we are born of God we will live the rest of our lives enjoying doing the will of God, and learn to destroy the lust of the flesh. Being conformed to the image of God, that just as he crucified the flesh, we will also.
Ah thanks. You showed the verse for me. Whoever is BORN OF GOD. can not CONTINUE in sin. But this is not what you preach. You preach we must stop sin to be born of God, you have it backwards.
Ah yes, We who are Christ's children WILL do this. Not might do it. So why do you preach we must do it to be Christ's and not as a result of being Christ's?
No, you do, because you do not believe them. They say exactly what we have been saying all along, your the one fighting them.
Yes, just what I said. and this leads us to become Children of God. and the verses you posted above from 1 John and galations WILL HAPPEN.
But you don't believe this!
Deny it? No. If we confess we will find healing, if we do not confess, but hide, we will suffer greatly.
When are you going to stop lying, I heve never denied that verse. It works perfectly with what I bel;ieve. you just can't see it because you have utterly no clue what I believe.
if I can't earn it by my deeds, i can't keep it by my deeds. Paul makes it clear a person who thinks he can "perfect his salvation" by works (deeds0 are foolish. I do not want to be a fool. I want to be thankfull to God for the precious gift he gave me. when I know I deserve nothing.
Thats funny. I addressed everything you said. You did not respond to it. All you have done is make a felonious attack on what you do not understand (my belief) lie about what I have said or did nto say, and say I believe things I don't.
We will walk in the light/ we will stumble from time to time. But we will not live as we did before. This is the part you don't get. As john said, a child born of God can not keep sinning, he is born of God.
lol. try that see how good it works. If your spiritually dead, you can't walk in the spirit, you have no spirit to walk in. You are DEAD TO GOD.
Again, your preaching to a licentious person. I am not one. When are you going to stop saying this. Do you not understand that when you falsly accuse someone you are in sin. REPENT MY CHILD before you lose your salvation, for you have broken one of Gods commands!
Nope. I don't teach recieve Jesus, I teach we are condemned and spiritually dead to god, But god loves you so much he sen his son to die in your place. He has a gift he want to give you, it is called a life with him, free of the bondage of sin, and a new life in him. Take it, or reject it, the choice is yours. Christ wants to recieve YOU.
That is not a work. that is Gods work, and us taking it in faith.
again, try to learn what we believe, stop listening to men teach you wahat we believe, and what you should believe,
Originally Posted by Skinski7
Tombo and Eternally Grateful.
You both argue in favour of the continuation of sin. That is your problem with what I say. You cannot stand the preaching of real repentance.
Tombo and Eternally Grateful.
You both argue in favour of the continuation of sin. That is your problem with what I say. You cannot stand the preaching of real repentance.
We not only fight against that, but we fight against people who teach self righteous deeds trying to earn salvation.
What is there to adress? What paul said was true. if we are born of God we will live the rest of our lives enjoying doing the will of God, and learn to destroy the lust of the flesh. Being conformed to the image of God, that just as he crucified the flesh, we will also.
Ah thanks. You showed the verse for me. Whoever is BORN OF GOD. can not CONTINUE in sin. But this is not what you preach. You preach we must stop sin to be born of God, you have it backwards.
Ah yes, We who are Christ's children WILL do this. Not might do it. So why do you preach we must do it to be Christ's and not as a result of being Christ's?
No, you do, because you do not believe them. They say exactly what we have been saying all along, your the one fighting them.
Yes, just what I said. and this leads us to become Children of God. and the verses you posted above from 1 John and galations WILL HAPPEN.
But you don't believe this!
Deny it? No. If we confess we will find healing, if we do not confess, but hide, we will suffer greatly.
When are you going to stop lying, I heve never denied that verse. It works perfectly with what I bel;ieve. you just can't see it because you have utterly no clue what I believe.
if I can't earn it by my deeds, i can't keep it by my deeds. Paul makes it clear a person who thinks he can "perfect his salvation" by works (deeds0 are foolish. I do not want to be a fool. I want to be thankfull to God for the precious gift he gave me. when I know I deserve nothing.
Thats funny. I addressed everything you said. You did not respond to it. All you have done is make a felonious attack on what you do not understand (my belief) lie about what I have said or did nto say, and say I believe things I don't.
We will walk in the light/ we will stumble from time to time. But we will not live as we did before. This is the part you don't get. As john said, a child born of God can not keep sinning, he is born of God.
lol. try that see how good it works. If your spiritually dead, you can't walk in the spirit, you have no spirit to walk in. You are DEAD TO GOD.
Again, your preaching to a licentious person. I am not one. When are you going to stop saying this. Do you not understand that when you falsly accuse someone you are in sin. REPENT MY CHILD before you lose your salvation, for you have broken one of Gods commands!
Nope. I don't teach recieve Jesus, I teach we are condemned and spiritually dead to god, But god loves you so much he sen his son to die in your place. He has a gift he want to give you, it is called a life with him, free of the bondage of sin, and a new life in him. Take it, or reject it, the choice is yours. Christ wants to recieve YOU.
That is not a work. that is Gods work, and us taking it in faith.
again, try to learn what we believe, stop listening to men teach you wahat we believe, and what you should believe,
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When we accept Christ we loose the things before that bonded us, all of which, directly or indirectly was linked to sin. Corruption, deceit, lust, etc. are these sins we loose upon accepting and complete response ( (surrender) to the Lord leading our life.
2 Cor. 5:17 speaks of our transforming into a new creation upon accepting Christ, because THE MOMENT you accept HIS GRACE for you forevermore, for ALL THINGS, then goes the 'old things,' which were a part of your unbelieving way of living your life ( in sin). And, this all is not said to judge unbelievers on here of sinning and being bad, no, no, no. Just saying here that those who accept CHRIST and His baptism of ways into their life as He leads, 180 degree turning (repenting) of their old self are SAVED.
God sent His son into the world, not to condemn the world, but to SAVE the world.
One other verse speaking of the bondage of sin we sinners (note: just because we are saved does not mean we will not fall, we will! however Christ in us will COVER our errors. This,is not to say we should, as believers in Christ, live in sin, no, no, no, we are to be wholeheartedly repentant of that initial 'born again' repentance, but, and, this IS the Good News...Christ's dying on cross brought God's GRACE that cleansed , from then on, all time, all encompassing, covering those that faithfully choose to follow His ways and to LIVE their life in the grace and mercy victory that is freely given in Him.
Ephesians 4: 22-24
Eph 4:20-24 "Ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That ye put off concerning the former conversation (ways/things/deeds/works) the old man , which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."
When we accept Christ we loose the things before that bonded us, all of which, directly or indirectly was linked to sin. Corruption, deceit, lust, etc. are these sins we loose upon accepting and complete response ( (surrender) to the Lord leading our life.
2 Cor. 5:17 speaks of our transforming into a new creation upon accepting Christ, because THE MOMENT you accept HIS GRACE for you forevermore, for ALL THINGS, then goes the 'old things,' which were a part of your unbelieving way of living your life ( in sin). And, this all is not said to judge unbelievers on here of sinning and being bad, no, no, no. Just saying here that those who accept CHRIST and His baptism of ways into their life as He leads, 180 degree turning (repenting) of their old self are SAVED.
God sent His son into the world, not to condemn the world, but to SAVE the world.
One other verse speaking of the bondage of sin we sinners (note: just because we are saved does not mean we will not fall, we will!
however Christ in us will COVER our errors. This,is not to say we should, as believers in Christ, live in sin, no, no, no, we are to be wholeheartedly repentant of that initial 'born again' repentance, but, and, this IS the Good News...Christ's dying on cross brought God's GRACE that cleansed , from then on, all time, all encompassing, covering those that faithfully choose to follow His ways and to LIVE their life in the grace and mercy victory that is freely given in Him. Ephesians 4: 22-24
Eph 4:20-24 "Ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That ye put off concerning the former conversation (ways/things/deeds/works) the old man , which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."
I know you have a preference, but can you say with your own lips the name Jesus and can you worship Him using that name Jesus? Is there any new testament word Yahshua or Yeshua that is used to be the name given to the one who was born of a virgin and became our Saviour and the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world? If there is shew me the NT scripture under the dispensation of the church. Are you under the conviction that if you say with your lips the name Jesus, that you are using a term that is not representative of the name of the Messiah?
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You know, Red, it is curious that many of the false teachings are coming from many who use the names Yahweh, Yahshua, etc. I didn't think much about it untill you brought it up, but I 've wondered about the increasing number of people here using the Hebrew names instead of the English ones; as if it makes them more godly or something. I don't say that they all teach error, but it does seem that it comes from a high percentage of people who try to sound as "Hebrew" as possible. But the ironic thing is, they are reverting back to the very thing that condemned the Jewish people in the first place; reliance on the law to save them.
Very curious.
God bless.
Tom
Very curious.
God bless.
Tom
Yet you say that one can sin and not lose their salvation. You don't believe the sin ever stops and the opposite of the sin stopping is the sin continuing.
For me to be wrong you would have to clearly state that the sin must stop and state that those who are born of God do not sin.
What you have is a grey area where the sin "should" stop and that "over time" it will stop, yet it is a grey area of being saved while still sinning. Thus the sin is continuing.
Your answer is fluff. You say "learn to destroy" and "we will crucify the flesh." The Bible does not say that. The Bible says that those that are Christ's "HAVE" crucified the flesh. It is speaking of something that happened in the past.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
You twist it into some sort of gradual thing which has not quite been done yet. Thus you are making an allowance for the continuation of sins of the flesh.
Paul doesn't say he is going to be crucified with Christ, he says that "he is," it is a done deal.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
He doesn't live anymore, the old man is dead.
You believe that one can serve two masters while a believer "learns to destroy" because they eventually "will" crucify the flesh. Thus your salvation message has one saved in their sins, serving two master, the carnal and the spiritual man coexisting, light and darkness mixing, rebellion and obedience mixing.
The eye is either single or it isn't. Jesus said you cannot serve two masters yet you say that you can.
Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
1Joh5:18 says that whosoever is born of God does not sin. It does not say anything about not continuing in sin which implies that one can sin for awhile and then stop.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
You must stop all willful sin in order to be born of God. That is what repentance is for. An adulterer has to forsake his adultery, a murderer has to forsake his murdering, a child molesting must stop molesting children. Those things have to be laid aside and forsaken.
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Repentance is the change of mind and conversion is the change of direction. If the sin is still ongoing then the direction has not changed.
The questions is when? In a week? A month? A year? Ten years? Yet you think you are born again and saved in the meantime. Yet the Bible says that those who are born again do not sin. You are claiming that they do.
Again, it is always "will happen." When will it happen and what about in the meantime? You are teaching that you get saved in your sins, you continue in your sins, and sometime down the road the sin will stop. That is what I mean by you teach you get saved IN your sins.
You have a child molester getting saved IN his sins. The molester keeps on molesting children but he WILL stop sometime down the road according to your theology. Again, you have light and darkness mixing, serving two masters, etc. It is a total mockery of the holiness message and you have turned grace into a license to sin, as long as it does not continue indefinitely, how long that is anyone's guess.
A serial killer can keep on killing as long as it becomes less regular over time and one day he'll eventually stop.
What kind of salvation is this? It is an abomination is what it is.
When are you going to stop lying, I heve never denied that verse. It works perfectly with what I bel;ieve. you just can't see it because you have utterly no clue what I believe.
if I can't earn it by my deeds, i can't keep it by my deeds. Paul makes it clear a person who thinks he can "perfect his salvation" by works (deeds0 are foolish. I do not want to be a fool. I want to be thankfull to God for the precious gift he gave me. when I know I deserve nothing.
This is a reference to Pro 28:13.
Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Mercy is granted to those who confess and forsake. Not to those who confess and then will forsake sometime in the future.
I am not lying when I say you deny that verse, you do deny it. You twist its meaning into your saved in sins message.
You would have a husband who commits adultery on his wife who wants to be reconciled come back home and confess his sin, get forgiven, and he keeps on with the illicit relationship because he can't quite get over it yet. That is nonsense. For reconciliation to occur he would have to completely forsake that relationship.
Paul in Galations is speaking of those who would try and establish their righteousness by obeying rules and regulations. One can obey rules and regulations for all sorts of reasons thus outward observance has nothing to do with righteousness.
That is why Paul wrote that it is faith that works by love that matters. Love is the working principle behind a genuine faith and it is love that fulfills the law. Thus someone who has had their heart purified by this faith will manifest righteousness. That is what Paul is trying to teach the Galatians.
They had been deceived into thinking that circumcision would make them more righteous. Righteousness does not come from the outside, rather it is internal.
You keep mentioning the word "earn." I have never said that we "earn our salvation." I say that salvation is the result of being a worker together with God by putting into effect the grace of God through a working obedient faith. That is the message you object to. You interpret that as self righteousness, earning salvation, heretical teaching. It is what the Bible clearly teaches all over and I have elaborated on it extensively.
No you do not address what I say. You respond with straw men of "earning salvation" "self righteousness" etc.
You won't specifically address scriptures like Gal 5:24 which says HAVE crucified as in past tense. You won't address 1 Pet 4:1-2 which says HAS CEASED from sin. You will not address 1 Joh 5:8 which say DOES NOT sin.
You respond with "will crucify" and "will cease" and "cannot continue indefinitely." Like I said, you have someone getting saved in their sins and still continuing to sin.
There again you always have your escape clause. "We will stumble from time to time" and by that you don't mean accidently going over the speed limit, or a mistaken judgment, you are referring to the sins of the flesh.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
You may want those verses to say "cannot keep on" thus allowing this gray area but they don't say that.
1 Joh 5:18 say whosever is born of God sins not. It is right in front of your eyes. 1 Joh 3:9 says whosoever is born of God does not commit sin. Commit means "to make or do, to produce." Yet you try to make that verse say cannot commit sin indefinitely. Again it does not say that, this is right in front of your eyes.
I then said this...
You responded with this...
This is why God quickens us when we are dead.
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Being dead does not mean we cannot turn to God. The Prodigal Son was dead and he left the pig pen. He did not restore himself, he simply met the conditions of repentance and faith. We are to turn from carnality to the Spirit and God will empower us keep the old man dead. That is salvation.
You believe that you are cleansed of your sin while you are still carnal and sold under sin. Thus your theology contradicts 1 Joh 1:7
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If a person is still continuing in sin (even though as you say they will stop in the future sometime) they are in the present NOT walking in the light as He is in the light.
You theology contradicts so many scriptures, yet you hold onto it because it is what you are used to. You have faith in your theology, not in the God of the Bible because you refuse what the God of the Bible teaches.
I said,
I am not falsely accusing you. You are licentious because you say that you can be saved and still sinning.
You have the grace of God as a license to sin while people are waiting to crucify their flesh sometime in the future. You are the one teaching this "meanwhile" time of sin and being saved. The verse below describes what you are doing exactly.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
You may not be saying, "oh keep on sinning it is ok." No you won't say that, it is much more subtle.
Instead you say "will happen." The Bible says HAVE crucified the flesh, not WILL CRUCIFY the flesh sometime down the road at some unspecified time.
Perhaps that is tongue in cheek but I thought you believed in unconditional eternal security?
However you phrase it it is still the abstract package of salvation you believe in. Saved from wrath yet still in bondage to sin. You just append it with "will stop" and it won't "continue indefinitely." It is the same message.
What you believe has its origin in gnostic philosophy. The early church clearly taught that the sin stopped in repentance and that one must add to their faith with diligence lest they fall.
The reason that there is sin all through the church system is because of the message that is being preached.
What happens in most churches?
A sermon is preached and people are convicted that they are sinners. They are told that Jesus died for them and paid their penalty. If they will just trust in that then they will get the free gift of eternal life. God will then do a work in their life and over time he will clean them up.
Yet you don't find that in the book of Acts. People had to repent and do works to prove their repentance in order to make sure it was real. The sin stopped and the people lived holy.
Paul saw the sin at Corinth and wrote them a letter rebuking them and he warned them not to be deceived. He told them that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom.
Is that what they teach in church today? Nothing of the sort. As long as you have received the package all is ok. The pastors will give sermons about what one should do and what one needs to do but they never put it in the context that they must do anything. Thus we have complacent professing Christian's who are double minded, loving the world, still carnal and sold under sin, all the while holding to an assurance that they are actually going to go to heaven then they die. It is a terrible thing.
What happens in most churches?
A sermon is preached and people are convicted that they are sinners. They are told that Jesus died for them and paid their penalty. If they will just trust in that then they will get the free gift of eternal life. God will then do a work in their life and over time he will clean them up.
Yet you don't find that in the book of Acts. People had to repent and do works to prove their repentance in order to make sure it was real. The sin stopped and the people lived holy.
Paul saw the sin at Corinth and wrote them a letter rebuking them and he warned them not to be deceived. He told them that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom.
Is that what they teach in church today? Nothing of the sort. As long as you have received the package all is ok. The pastors will give sermons about what one should do and what one needs to do but they never put it in the context that they must do anything. Thus we have complacent professing Christian's who are double minded, loving the world, still carnal and sold under sin, all the while holding to an assurance that they are actually going to go to heaven then they die. It is a terrible thing.
What you are witnessing is prophesied in the last days. The House of Israel and The House of Judah are rejoining and becoming as one again. Jesus (Who in the Hebraic name is Yahshua which means Yah's salvation) said He came for the lost sheep of Israel. No where in the New Testament do I see replacement theology. If you are a child of God then you are an Israelite. Romans 11. This is not about us and you. The time is coming soon and quickly. The change of Christian's embracing Yah's commandments/Torah/instructions was prophesied. Read the Book from the beginning and not the middle. Read the scriptures with the understanding that those Jewish apostles were not teaching something totally new to the Gentiles. No, those apostles only knew what we are calling Old Testament and that is what they were teaching from. The English translation of the Greeco/Roman utterances is where Satan stepped in, again, to keep the truth from being wholly revealed. To read with the mindset of Hebraic is to get back to the root of Yah's Words.
What you are witnessing is a movement of the Holy Spirit in the lives of God's children, preparing us for these last days. When the winds swept not so long man years ago with "church audit" and new theology came in to replace the Catholic faith, it was a movement of the Holy Spirit. The truth's were being uncovered and the Holy Spirit isn't finished working until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Those who were once "far off" are now being drawn near. We are Israelites. We were taken into captivity and scattered into the four corners of the world. We were placed into all the nations and lost our identity and forgot the covenant. But now, we are AWAKENED. Praise be to Yah. We know Jesus/Y'shua as our Saviour and Messiah. Our older brother is Judah. He is the son who stayed home when the prodigal son left. He is the angry brother when the prodigal son returns. The road isn't promised to be rosy, but Yah's Will will prevail.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
What you are witnessing is a movement of the Holy Spirit in the lives of God's children, preparing us for these last days. When the winds swept not so long man years ago with "church audit" and new theology came in to replace the Catholic faith, it was a movement of the Holy Spirit. The truth's were being uncovered and the Holy Spirit isn't finished working until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Those who were once "far off" are now being drawn near. We are Israelites. We were taken into captivity and scattered into the four corners of the world. We were placed into all the nations and lost our identity and forgot the covenant. But now, we are AWAKENED. Praise be to Yah. We know Jesus/Y'shua as our Saviour and Messiah. Our older brother is Judah. He is the son who stayed home when the prodigal son left. He is the angry brother when the prodigal son returns. The road isn't promised to be rosy, but Yah's Will will prevail.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Red and Tombo, You know Paul so well, and that is a good thing, but you do need to meet your Creator God and Christ through their eyes, not only through the lens of Paul! They are your God. Paul was a man given a great commission by God to go to the gentile, and great understanding to go with that commission. But to listen to him without first learning from your Father makes everything come to you in a distorted way. Please just go to the four gospels if you can’t comprehend the OT. Your biggest distortion (among many) is in the place work has in God’s eyes. You know that you can’t make yourself holy through work, that is good understanding. But you haven’t found the place that work does have.
G
Bottom line: It is a personal relationship that Jesus years not have with each of His sheep, Skinski.
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Why can't you let God do the convicting??
And, how silly is that, the church tells them to accept Christ and then doesn't do anything else, they just are told to 'clean up' their life as they go on after repenting???
Be careful, my friend, that you SPEAK in the Spirit.
I know for a fact that MY CHURCH did not teach that and MOST churches do NOT teach that , you have become jaded in NOT letting the Holy Spirit reach and lead. God bless
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Why can't you let God do the convicting??
And, how silly is that, the church tells them to accept Christ and then doesn't do anything else, they just are told to 'clean up' their life as they go on after repenting???
Be careful, my friend, that you SPEAK in the Spirit.
I know for a fact that MY CHURCH did not teach that and MOST churches do NOT teach that , you have become jaded in NOT letting the Holy Spirit reach and lead.
God bless
T
I respectfully disagree. I have continually maintained that repentance and good works will follow salvation, since the Holy Spirit indwells us. I have always said that anyone who claims to be a Christian and yet lives a life of continual sin, has never been saved in the first place.
The problem I have with the "works" and "repentance" people is that they think those things will save them and keep them saved. They think they can live a completely sinless life. They are ultimately making themselves the decider of whether they are saved or lost. They are usurping God's authority by casting aside Christ's work and placing their trust in their own works. They will say no no when you say this, but by their teaching and acts they clearly proclaim, yes, we ultimatley are responsible for our salvation or condemnation. That is not the gospel and is no good news at all.
We are lost sinners with no power in ourselves to do any good in God's eyes. Jesus came to fulfill the law perfectly on our behalf, and to take the punishment of the law that we deserved. When He saves us and indwells us, then we will have the power to do good and to repent, but not before then. God says that when we are unsaved, we are free in regard to righteousness. But when He saves us, we become His slaves, instead of slaves to sin, and are now truly able to live for God the way we are supposed to. But any true believer will never put confidence in what they do, but will throw themselves wholly and entirely on God's mercy and grace given to us in Jesus Christ.
That is the gospel. Praise be to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit for planning our salvation from before the foundation of the world. God knew from the beginning that we would fall, and made a way to save sinners, to the praise of His glorious grace!!!!
God bless.
Tom
The problem I have with the "works" and "repentance" people is that they think those things will save them and keep them saved. They think they can live a completely sinless life. They are ultimately making themselves the decider of whether they are saved or lost. They are usurping God's authority by casting aside Christ's work and placing their trust in their own works. They will say no no when you say this, but by their teaching and acts they clearly proclaim, yes, we ultimatley are responsible for our salvation or condemnation. That is not the gospel and is no good news at all.
We are lost sinners with no power in ourselves to do any good in God's eyes. Jesus came to fulfill the law perfectly on our behalf, and to take the punishment of the law that we deserved. When He saves us and indwells us, then we will have the power to do good and to repent, but not before then. God says that when we are unsaved, we are free in regard to righteousness. But when He saves us, we become His slaves, instead of slaves to sin, and are now truly able to live for God the way we are supposed to. But any true believer will never put confidence in what they do, but will throw themselves wholly and entirely on God's mercy and grace given to us in Jesus Christ.
That is the gospel. Praise be to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit for planning our salvation from before the foundation of the world. God knew from the beginning that we would fall, and made a way to save sinners, to the praise of His glorious grace!!!!
God bless.
Tom
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