Demise of Repentance

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The Disciples plucked corn to eat........... If they plucked it to take and sell, then this would of been different.


You have to remember the Pharisees were making the Sabbath a burden by adding to it.

Yahshua the Messiah was teaching against the tradition of man, and restoring Almighty Yahvah God's Law.

If you love the Lord of the Sabbath, you see it a blessing to keep.

You do not make it a "rest in him all week"................

We who strive to keep the commandments of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah do it out of love, and love is a doing word.

If we keep the commandments of Yahvah God and Faith of Yahshua the Messiah we do not make our Salvation void. The Bible is clear who the Saints are:

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

My trespasses sentenced me to death, I accepted Salvation and can be forgiven, and all this love and appreciation I have is being put into action.

I now want to behave myself, so I strive to Keep the Commandments of Yahvah God, since breaking those sentenced me to death, and Yahshua the Messiah's blood cleans me, how then do I continue to trespass?


I have said before, if someone pulls you out of a fire, you do not turn round and run back into the fire.
Would you like to explain the following that was practiced by the children of Israel for (40) years in (v.35) ...

Ex 16:22-30

22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

Present day

'Although variations on Sabbath observance exist among the branches of Judaism and even among families, the basic pattern is universal. The Sabbath begins on Friday at sundown and lasts until sundown on Saturday, but preparation for the Sabbath begins well in advance. The majority of Sabbath activity is carried out in the home, so Friday is a day of hard work by the women of the household as they shop and prepare. All cooking and baking for the Sabbath day must be completed before the Sabbath begins, so the Jewish home is a hive of activity in the morning and afternoon. In addition to the preparation of food, the house is likely to receive a thorough cleaning. Fortunately for the housewife, the men of the house may assist her in this task.'

Are you still going to tell me that it would be a different story if they were plucking corn on the Sabbath in order to sell it as opposed to eating it. The Sabbath for the Jews to observe must be kept with complete ceasing of all work and labour, plucking corn was considered part of the preparation. When the disciples plucked their corn on the Sabbath to eat they were violating the Sabbath, but Christ was here as the bread and manna from heaven and as the Lord of the Sabbath being made for man. This is why so many of the disciples were offended, when they heard this saying from Jesus, 'Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood (of the new covenant) you have no life in you.' He was telling them that He was bread that came down from heaven...

Jn 6:30-40

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(v47-58)

47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Are we to prepare to eat His flesh and drink His blood only on that one Sabbath day, or do we have Him as our eternal life to partake of His bread (the word) every morning, noon and night of every day because we have entered into His rest (Heb 4:10,11, Mt 11:28-30) when we came to Him and believed upon Him? You won't find any teaching in the epistles (written by that little Jewish apostle Paul who had more zeal for the law than any of his peers) that were written to the church (of both Jew and Gentile) to keep the Sabbath holy. There is just no instruction in there and if remembering and keeping the Sabbath was to be practiced and honored by the church, as the fourth commandment, we would see some kind of testimony in the NT scriptures to the church, but there is none.
 
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Galatians 2:15-21 "We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose."

Romans 13:8-10 "Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments,"You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

If we keep these verses in mind, we will not try to keep the law in order to please God. The law only shows us how sinful we are, but it gives us no power to put to death the sinful deeds of the flesh. But when we are saved, we have the Holy Spirit within us, to enable us to do what is right. If you think that by keeping the law you are pleasing God, you are wrong. No one can keep the law perfectly. And as has been pointed out already, if we fail to keep the law at one point, we are guilty of breaking the whole law. Christ has fulfilled the law by being pefectly obedient to it for our sake (His righteousness is imputed to us), and he took the curse of the law upon Himself (our sin was imputed to Him) so that we would not have to bear it.
If we follow the law of love, we will naturally keep the law. As Glatains says, love will make us not want to do wrong to our neighbor, and so we fulfill the law because we will not want to steal from one we love, or kill one we love, etc. We now fulfill the law out of love for one another AND NOT AS A MEANS TO PLEASE GOD. Israel couldn't please God by trying to keep (and they couldn't anyway) the law as a means to become right with God, so why would we? We have had the law fulfilled by the perfect man, the Lord Jesus Christ, so now we live a life of love towards Him and our neighbor.
If you rely on keeping the law in order to become right with God, you have fallen from grace and are still in your sins.
God bless.

Tom
 

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Are you still going to tell me that it would be a different story if they were plucking corn on the Sabbath in order to sell it as opposed to eating it
Yes.

Remember the man collecting sticks on the Sabbath?
32And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

33And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

34And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.

35And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

36And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.



He was carrying out work on the Sabbath.
 

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I obviously have to make sure I have everything we need for the Sabbath.

I will not buy or sell and yes, I prepare before sun down Friday... Clean the house etc...

I do not think this is part of my Salvation, it is a blessing.
 
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I obviously have to make sure I have everything we need for the Sabbath.

I will not buy or sell and yes, I prepare before sun down Friday... Clean the house etc...

I do not think this is part of my Salvation, it is a blessing.
Are you serious??!! This is the saddest thing I've read so far. You have to look and see what the Sabbath pointed to. The Sabbath pointed to Jesus, who is our true rest. The story of the man picking up sticks on the Sabbath was a picture of someone trying to work for their salvation instead of resting in God. If we do that, we will certainly be destroyed. If you are trying to obey the Sabbath law, you are denying what Jesus has done for you. He is our rest now. We rest in Him for our salvation, not observing the law. If you obey this one law, you are bound to obey all of the laws in the OT. You have fallen from grace and are back to working for your salvation, just like the jews, and all of the other religions in the world, try to do.
Remember Colossians 2:16-17 "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ."
God bless.

Tom
 
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I obviously have to make sure I have everything we need for the Sabbath.

I will not buy or sell and yes, I prepare before sun down Friday... Clean the house etc...

I do not think this is part of my Salvation, it is a blessing.
Amen, I don't know where Sunday came from as the 'Lord's day'. It's generally the best day for me to fit in a day of rest, as long as I get 1 day in 7.
But I believe Friday-Saturday evening is a special time set apart for us. Shalom
 
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Amen, I don't know where Sunday came from as the 'Lord's day'. It's generally the best day for me to fit in a day of rest, as long as I get 1 day in 7.
But I believe Friday-Saturday evening is a special time set apart for us. Shalom
"And they met on the first day of the week" (sunday)

Not saying the saterday sabaath should be done away with, just showing where it came from.
 

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If you rely on keeping the law in order to become right with God, you have fallen from grace and are still in your sins.
God bless.

Tom
The operative word is "IF". I speak for myself and say that Y'shua's work of dying on the cross is what washes away my sins. The law is not to be kept in order to become right with God, I am right with God because of Y'shua's shed blood....the final perfect sacrificial lamb. And because He loved me first, I love Him and I show Him my love for Him for having respect to His "house rules"...the commandments...which are not grievous.

So keeping the Sabbath is not wrong at all.

Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

True the law showed us we are sinners, but the law/commandments/torah/instructions is for our righteousness.

How do you know if you are righteous? We are in right standing when we have Y'shua as our perfect sin sacrifice. He died for our sins. We no longer are under the CURSE of the LAW. Christ died to remove the CURSE. He did not die to take away the commandments from us nor or we able to be perfect in keeping them in the flesh. Crucify the flesh daily. Pick up your cross and carry it.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

ENTER INTO LIFE = KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS = PLAY BY DADDY'S RULES OF THE HOUSE

So does this mean or contradict Y'shua is our way to enter eternal life?

Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Do you believe that Y'shua is the Word, and that He and the Father are one?

Read the beginning of the book to the end of the book. Study the scriptures.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

When Timothy made this writing, there was no New Testament. The only scriptures was the Torah and Tanakh. Torah means instructions.

Your theology is just the very reason there are thousands of christian denominations. Each, taking parts of the Bible and twisting it into doctrines...and oh they sound so lofty and mysterious and hard to understand....

NO!! GOD'S COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT GRIEVOUS OR HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

The Sabbath was given to Israel....anyone who calls themselves a child of God....grafted in through Y'shua....Romans 11

Jim Staley - "And He Rested" - Should Christians Keep the Sabbath? - YouTube
 
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It is for this reason that someone who is truly born again cannot sin. If one truly has the seed of God within then they cannot go out and steal, lust in the heart, or be angry without cause. When the root is pure the fruit produced will also be pure.
To believe that one can live in the flesh but not be able to sin is bad doctrine. As long as one is in the flesh, sin is ever present within them, albeit it does not have to control them. Your problem is that yu think being born again is something that happens while you are still alive. Wrong. One can only be born again if one first dies, so that the natural can be sown into the spiritual. This is the ressurrection, and it is being born again: not of the flesh, but of the Spirit. You should very careful what you preach to others as being the TRUTH, because if you are wrong, then you will be dealt with harshly by the LORD, for causing some to go to hell (those who believe you).
 
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"And they met on the first day of the week" (sunday)

Not saying the saterday sabaath should be done away with, just showing where it came from.
cheers for that, hadn't noticed it before. For now I'll stick to 1 in 7, and do more prayer/research. I believe Fri-Sat is special, but always open to God speaking on the subject :)
 
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cheers for that, hadn't noticed it before. For now I'll stick to 1 in 7, and do more prayer/research. I believe Fri-Sat is special, but always open to God speaking on the subject :)
your welcome. I will say this. in America, we have gotten rid of the day of rest (be it sunday or saterday) because of greed. look at all the run down people we have, and the results of things which have happened since we deemed it necessary to work people 7 days a week with no rest.

I remember a time when nothing was open on Sunday, it was a time of family and reflection on God. even though it was not Saturday. families were closer, and crime was low as compared to today.

God said the sabbath was given for our benefit. not his (actually all the commands are if we look at them) we sure have trampled on God, he knows what is best and what we need. We just do not agree with him, that is why it is called sin.
 
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The operative word is "IF". I speak for myself and say that Y'shua's work of dying on the cross is what washes away my sins. The law is not to be kept in order to become right with God, I am right with God because of Y'shua's shed blood....the final perfect sacrificial lamb. And because He loved me first, I love Him and I show Him my love for Him for having respect to His "house rules"...the commandments...which are not grievous.

So keeping the Sabbath is not wrong at all.

Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

True the law showed us we are sinners, but the law/commandments/torah/instructions is for our righteousness.

How do you know if you are righteous? We are in right standing when we have Y'shua as our perfect sin sacrifice. He died for our sins. We no longer are under the CURSE of the LAW. Christ died to remove the CURSE. He did not die to take away the commandments from us nor or we able to be perfect in keeping them in the flesh. Crucify the flesh daily. Pick up your cross and carry it.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

ENTER INTO LIFE = KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS = PLAY BY DADDY'S RULES OF THE HOUSE

So does this mean or contradict Y'shua is our way to enter eternal life?

Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Do you believe that Y'shua is the Word, and that He and the Father are one?

Read the beginning of the book to the end of the book. Study the scriptures.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

When Timothy made this writing, there was no New Testament. The only scriptures was the Torah and Tanakh. Torah means instructions.

Your theology is just the very reason there are thousands of christian denominations. Each, taking parts of the Bible and twisting it into doctrines...and oh they sound so lofty and mysterious and hard to understand....

NO!! GOD'S COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT GRIEVOUS OR HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

The Sabbath was given to Israel....anyone who calls themselves a child of God....grafted in through Y'shua....Romans 11

Jim Staley - "And He Rested" - Should Christians Keep the Sabbath? - YouTube
What do your neighbors think when you're sacrificing lambs and bulls in your yard? All that smoke and fire must make quite a scene. I hope you're still sacrificing the animals since the Old Testament tells you to. Do you take your children out to be stoned if they are disobedient and rebellious, maybe they're on drugs?
Just curious.

Tom
 
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What do your neighbors think when you're sacrificing lambs and bulls in your yard? All that smoke and fire must make quite a scene. I hope you're still sacrificing the animals since the Old Testament tells you to. Do you take your children out to be stoned if they are disobedient and rebellious, maybe they're on drugs?
Just curious.

Tom
Too bad we don't have a Temple of God in our midst. It would surely make the neighbors think twice about who God is.

Did you know in the millennium there will be the restored sacrificial system? Ezekiel 40-48

Do you want to be here during the millennium?

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Hmmm. Starting with the beginning of the book sure tells us alot about the ending.

This reminds me of a New Testament verse:

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Did you know this "draw" is Strong's word G1670 and means to "LITERALLY DRAG"? It does!!

So you are one of the mockers? Yes?
 
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Too bad we don't have a Temple of God in our midst. It would surely make the neighbors think twice about who God is.

Did you know in the millennium there will be the restored sacrificial system? Ezekiel 40-48

Do you want to be here during the millennium?

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Hmmm. Starting with the beginning of the book sure tells us alot about the ending.

This reminds me of a New Testament verse:

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Did you know this "draw" is Strong's word G1670 and means to "LITERALLY DRAG"? It does!!

So you are one of the mockers? Yes?
There will be no 1000 year period where our Lord will reign on this sin cursed earth, that is a myth. The 1000 years spoken of are symbolic, not literal. The Lord will only come bcak once, at the end of the age, to take His own to Himself. The whole millennium teaching is ridiculous.
God bless.

Tom

And BTW, I was not mocking, but just trying to have a little fun to point out improper doctrine.
 

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There will be no 1000 year period where our Lord will reign on this sin cursed earth, that is a myth. The 1000 years spoken of are symbolic, not literal. The Lord will only come bcak once, at the end of the age, to take His own to Himself. The whole millennium teaching is ridiculous.
God bless.

Tom

And BTW, I was not mocking, but just trying to have a little fun to point out improper doctrine.

Question: When is "at the end of the age"?
 
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Question: When is "at the end of the age"?
The end of the age is when the Lord Jesus Christ returns to take His elect to Himself, and to judge the unsaved. The saved who died previously will receive resurrected spiritual bodies, and those who are alive when He returns will be changed into their spiritual bodies. Then they will go and be with their Lord forever in the new heavens and earth.
At the same time all of the unsaved who have previously died will be resurrected, and those who are alive will be judged and destroyed. This will all happen on the last day. The Bible always speaks of it as one day. It's people taking symbolic verses from the Bible that make "day" mean "days."
I don't know how people can concoct several resurrections, and the Lord Jesus with some saints in their glorified bodies reigning on an earth that still have unsaved, unchaged people. It is ridiculous. No such thing is taught in the Bible.
The Bible speaks of the resurrection of the just and the unjust. The one group will be saved and taken to be with their Lord, the other will face punishment and destruction. It's really very simple. Ity takes man to confuse it.
God bless.

Tom
 
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To believe that one can live in the flesh but not be able to sin is bad doctrine. As long as one is in the flesh, sin is ever present within them, albeit it does not have to control them. Your problem is that yu think being born again is something that happens while you are still alive. Wrong. One can only be born again if one first dies, so that the natural can be sown into the spiritual. This is the ressurrection, and it is being born again: not of the flesh, but of the Spirit. You should very careful what you preach to others as being the TRUTH, because if you are wrong, then you will be dealt with harshly by the LORD, for causing some to go to hell (those who believe you).
Sin is always possible because it is rooted in the choices we make. Those who are born again and belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires, they thus keep themselves and do not commit sins of the flesh.
 

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The end of the age is when the Lord Jesus Christ returns to take His elect to Himself, and to judge the unsaved. The saved who died previously will receive resurrected spiritual bodies, and those who are alive when He returns will be changed into their spiritual bodies. Then they will go and be with their Lord forever in the new heavens and earth.
At the same time all of the unsaved who have previously died will be resurrected, and those who are alive will be judged and destroyed. This will all happen on the last day. The Bible always speaks of it as one day. It's people taking symbolic verses from the Bible that make "day" mean "days."
I don't know how people can concoct several resurrections, and the Lord Jesus with some saints in their glorified bodies reigning on an earth that still have unsaved, unchaged people. It is ridiculous. No such thing is taught in the Bible.
The Bible speaks of the resurrection of the just and the unjust. The one group will be saved and taken to be with their Lord, the other will face punishment and destruction. It's really very simple. Ity takes man to confuse it.
God bless.



Tom
Tom, if the 1000 years is symbolic how do you know that Jesus return is not symbolic? You say it is very simple, but I am not finding your words to be so. Either the word clearly defines what is literal and what is not, or we are left "man confusing it".
 
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To believe that one can live in the flesh but not be able to sin is bad doctrine. As long as one is in the flesh, sin is ever present within them, albeit it does not have to control them. Your problem is that yu think being born again is something that happens while you are still alive. Wrong. One can only be born again if one first dies, so that the natural can be sown into the spiritual. This is the ressurrection, and it is being born again: not of the flesh, but of the Spirit. You should very careful what you preach to others as being the TRUTH, because if you are wrong, then you will be dealt with harshly by the LORD, for causing some to go to hell (those who believe you).

I completely agree with you though.

I cannot live in the flesh and have victory over sin because by definition living in the flesh is living in carnality in opposition to the leading of the Spirit of God.

Being born again is indeed of the Spirit. One must die first (in repentance when the old man is put off) that one can be raised up by the Spirit. It is through the Spirit that we then walk in victory.

We then have to endure by adding to our faith and constantly renewing our mind lest we grow complacent and the old man revives and we end up like a dog returning to its own vomit.
 

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Are you serious??!! This is the saddest thing I've read so far. You have to look and see what the Sabbath pointed to. The Sabbath pointed to Jesus, who is our true rest. The story of the man picking up sticks on the Sabbath was a picture of someone trying to work for their salvation instead of resting in God. If we do that, we will certainly be destroyed. If you are trying to obey the Sabbath law, you are denying what Jesus has done for you. He is our rest now. We rest in Him for our salvation, not observing the law. If you obey this one law, you are bound to obey all of the laws in the OT. You have fallen from grace and are back to working for your salvation, just like the jews, and all of the other religions in the world, try to do.
Remember Colossians 2:16-17 "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ."
God bless.

Tom
The Bible is clear, selective reading will lead people to think that is the saddest thing........... The saddest thing is you thinking it is the saddest thing.


12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.





And the story was about a disobedient man.

He was not trying to earn Salvation...


17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.




Not one or the other but both......... Dragon makes war with those that do both...
 
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