Denying Obama's Christianity - Please give me a verse on your authority?
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Why are people worried about Obama not being a Christian? Why are people worried about Obama being a Christian? It does not matter. God is still in control.
Has anyone read Romans chapter 13? It does not matter whether Obama is a Christian or not. We are still to obey what the Government of this country says.
Romans 13:1-5
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Wherefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
Has anyone read Romans chapter 13? It does not matter whether Obama is a Christian or not. We are still to obey what the Government of this country says.
Romans 13:1-5
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Wherefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
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Why are people worried about Obama not being a Christian? Why are people worried about Obama being a Christian? It does not matter. God is still in control.
Has anyone read Romans chapter 13? It does not matter whether Obama is a Christian or not. We are still to obey what the Government of this country says.
Has anyone read Romans chapter 13? It does not matter whether Obama is a Christian or not. We are still to obey what the Government of this country says.
Acts 5, NASB
27 When they had brought them, they stood them before the Council. The high priest questioned them,
28 saying, "We gave you strict orders not to continue teaching in this name, and yet, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and intend to bring this man's blood upon us."
29 But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men. [emphasis added]
30 "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross.
31 "He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."
27 When they had brought them, they stood them before the Council. The high priest questioned them,
28 saying, "We gave you strict orders not to continue teaching in this name, and yet, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and intend to bring this man's blood upon us."
29 But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men. [emphasis added]
30 "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross.
31 "He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."
Think carefully: Can you remember any instance(s) in which he has failed to guide the country within the framework of God's word?
Let me know ...
P
So you knew this was verse was out of context? That makes me feel better at least.I did not say it was funny,I said it was not.
pastac
2 tim 2 : 23
New International Version
Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
New Living Translation
Again I say, don't get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only start fights.
English Standard Version
Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.
New American Standard Bible
But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.
King James Bible
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
But reject foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they breed quarrels.
International Standard Version
Do not have anything to do with foolish and stupid discussions, because you know they breed arguments.
NET Bible
But reject foolish and ignorant controversies, because you know they breed infighting.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Abstain from the disputes of fools who are without instruction, for you know that they generate conflict.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments. You know they cause quarrels.
Jubilee Bible 2000
But foolish and unwise questions refuse, knowing that they do beget contentions.
King James 2000 Bible
But foolish and ignorant questions avoid, knowing that they do produce strifes.
American King James Version
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do engender strifes.
American Standard Version
But foolish and ignorant questionings refuse, knowing that they gender strifes.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And avoid foolish and unlearned questions, knowing that they beget strifes.
Darby Bible Translation
But foolish and senseless questionings avoid, knowing that they beget contentions.
English Revised Version
But foolish and ignorant questionings refuse, knowing that they gender strifes.
Webster's Bible Translation
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they gender contentions.
Weymouth New Testament
But avoid foolish discussions with ignorant men, knowing--as you do--that these lead to quarrels;
World English Bible
But refuse foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing that they generate strife.
Young's Literal Translation
and the foolish and uninstructed questions be avoiding, having known that they beget strife,
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V
... here is some real context for you to think about in this whole foolish rendering on another mans salvation ... 2 tim 2 : 23 ...
2 Timothy, NASB
22 Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. [emphasis added]
22 Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. [emphasis added]
That isn't about judging a man's salvation. It is about abandoning self-directed pursuits that distracts us, even become idols, when we should be focusing on God. Now, I admit, we aren't normally to seek a judgment on a man's salvation. but when we have been told in Romans 13 to obey the government placed over us, but see an example of not obeying that government when it contravenes God's word in Acts 5, we need to be able to discern, and yes, judge, whether our leaders are following Christ or not. Obama is not.
S
For some reason my dad insisted on wearing high water pants. I even went and bought him a new wardrobe so he would stop dressing like a nerd....the point is that you can take the high waters out of nerd but you can't take the nerd out of high waters. So with that said, high waters, a girl bike and helmit equals nerdville. No offense to all you cool nerds out there but Obama is a nerd....a nerd who so happens to hate Christianity and white people.
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For some reason my dad insisted on wearing high water pants. I even went and bought him a new wardrobe so he would stop dressing like a nerd....the point is that you can take the high waters out of nerd but you can't take the nerd out of high waters. So with that said, high waters, a girl bike and helmit equals nerdville. No offense to all you cool nerds out there but Obama is a nerd....a nerd who so happens to hate Christianity and white people.
pastac
P
Which has absolutely nothing to do with judging a man's salvation. What does Paul tell his protégé in v. 22?
That isn't about judging a man's salvation. It is about abandoning self-directed pursuits that distracts us, even become idols, when we should be focusing on God. Now, I admit, we aren't normally to seek a judgment on a man's salvation. but when we have been told in Romans 13 to obey the government placed over us, but see an example of not obeying that government when it contravenes God's word in Acts 5, we need to be able to discern, and yes, judge, whether our leaders are following Christ or not. Obama is not.
2 Timothy, NASB
22 Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. [emphasis added]
22 Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. [emphasis added]
That isn't about judging a man's salvation. It is about abandoning self-directed pursuits that distracts us, even become idols, when we should be focusing on God. Now, I admit, we aren't normally to seek a judgment on a man's salvation. but when we have been told in Romans 13 to obey the government placed over us, but see an example of not obeying that government when it contravenes God's word in Acts 5, we need to be able to discern, and yes, judge, whether our leaders are following Christ or not. Obama is not.
pastac
S
And these are the words to others who say they are Christian!!
pastac
pastac
Calling a cat a dog for a thousand years will never make it a dog! You prove nothing except you think that you are right in your assumptions and position. Well so do I and I know I'm a Christian bad fruit and all my flaws as I continue to strive to be like Christ. He is my Lord and I have a personal relationship that you know nothing about kinda like you know nothing about any personal relationship of any other Christian including Obama. Just a thought
pastac
pastac
Ya know how sometimes you meet or see people and the spirit in you recognizes the spirit in them? Obama has the opposite effect on me. For some reason the Holy Spirit in me says that there is nothing Christlike about this man. Thats all I got.
P
Wait....what?
Except on opposite day....On opposite day a cat is a dog and a dog is a cat.
Ya know how sometimes you meet or see people and the spirit in you recognizes the spirit in them? Obama has the opposite effect on me. For some reason the Holy Spirit in me says that there is nothing Christlike about this man. Thats all I got.
Except on opposite day....On opposite day a cat is a dog and a dog is a cat.
Ya know how sometimes you meet or see people and the spirit in you recognizes the spirit in them? Obama has the opposite effect on me. For some reason the Holy Spirit in me says that there is nothing Christlike about this man. Thats all I got.
If he is not he needs prayer to change not the venom laden words that change nothing. After all it is about change right I mean did not our lives change once we mad Jesus Lord of our lives in totality or are many still trying to get that walk right. maybe he's trying to get it right but hey aren't we all! I just think talking about President Obama dc, Viligant warrior, Kaylagrl Sirk or any other of the notable posters is harmful when the intent to tear down and not build up is present and for the record personal politics aside on a stronger note no politics in Heaven! So the personal issues that stop ministry from having the full rang effect lies within each of us.
I examine myself each day for anything that displeases God and it has nothing to do with proper exegesis or dogma or any such it is merely a striving to be Christ like. I try hard and I see clearly my brothers and sisters struggle with separation of emotions from reality. Obama being a Christian or not wont stop me from heaven or you or anyone else but our sinful acts disobedience and disregard or God order will
pastac
P
Wait....what?
A nerd and hates white people real Christlike I guess or maybe just a opinion which we all are entitled too
Except on opposite day....On opposite day a cat is a dog and a dog is a cat.
Ya know how sometimes you meet or see people and the spirit in you recognizes the spirit in them? Obama has the opposite effect on me. For some reason the Holy Spirit in me says that there is nothing Christlike about this man. Thats all I got.
A nerd and hates white people real Christlike I guess or maybe just a opinion which we all are entitled too
Except on opposite day....On opposite day a cat is a dog and a dog is a cat.
Ya know how sometimes you meet or see people and the spirit in you recognizes the spirit in them? Obama has the opposite effect on me. For some reason the Holy Spirit in me says that there is nothing Christlike about this man. Thats all I got.
Sirk you make many valid points often yet we all from time to time say things from an emotional place rather than a spiritual one trying to find that balance between natural man and spiritual man is a difficult position when one is so accustomed to walking in the natural man zone rather than the spiritual. I think that is mainly the problem.
So for the record for me its not personal its ministry. Several brothers and sisters need to be taught how to be quick to hear and slow to speak and how not to get pulled into foolish debates such as this.
Just some observations
pastac
K
For the record I desired from a child to be a minister odd choice yeah I know I have a firm grasp on scripture from several aspects yet I am teachable if the need arises for me to be taught!, so let me share this with you here is some real context for you to think about in this whole foolish rendering on another mans salvation I sure hope this clears up my position!!!!!
pastac
2 tim 2 : 23
New International Version
Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
New Living Translation
Again I say, don't get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only start fights.
English Standard Version
Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.
New American Standard Bible
But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.
King James Bible
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
But reject foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they breed quarrels.
International Standard Version
Do not have anything to do with foolish and stupid discussions, because you know they breed arguments.
NET Bible
But reject foolish and ignorant controversies, because you know they breed infighting.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Abstain from the disputes of fools who are without instruction, for you know that they generate conflict.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments. You know they cause quarrels.
Jubilee Bible 2000
But foolish and unwise questions refuse, knowing that they do beget contentions.
King James 2000 Bible
But foolish and ignorant questions avoid, knowing that they do produce strifes.
American King James Version
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do engender strifes.
American Standard Version
But foolish and ignorant questionings refuse, knowing that they gender strifes.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And avoid foolish and unlearned questions, knowing that they beget strifes.
Darby Bible Translation
But foolish and senseless questionings avoid, knowing that they beget contentions.
English Revised Version
But foolish and ignorant questionings refuse, knowing that they gender strifes.
Webster's Bible Translation
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they gender contentions.
Weymouth New Testament
But avoid foolish discussions with ignorant men, knowing--as you do--that these lead to quarrels;
World English Bible
But refuse foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing that they generate strife.
Young's Literal Translation
and the foolish and uninstructed questions be avoiding, having known that they beget strife,
pastac
2 tim 2 : 23
New International Version
Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
New Living Translation
Again I say, don't get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only start fights.
English Standard Version
Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.
New American Standard Bible
But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.
King James Bible
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
But reject foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they breed quarrels.
International Standard Version
Do not have anything to do with foolish and stupid discussions, because you know they breed arguments.
NET Bible
But reject foolish and ignorant controversies, because you know they breed infighting.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Abstain from the disputes of fools who are without instruction, for you know that they generate conflict.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments. You know they cause quarrels.
Jubilee Bible 2000
But foolish and unwise questions refuse, knowing that they do beget contentions.
King James 2000 Bible
But foolish and ignorant questions avoid, knowing that they do produce strifes.
American King James Version
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do engender strifes.
American Standard Version
But foolish and ignorant questionings refuse, knowing that they gender strifes.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And avoid foolish and unlearned questions, knowing that they beget strifes.
Darby Bible Translation
But foolish and senseless questionings avoid, knowing that they beget contentions.
English Revised Version
But foolish and ignorant questionings refuse, knowing that they gender strifes.
Webster's Bible Translation
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they gender contentions.
Weymouth New Testament
But avoid foolish discussions with ignorant men, knowing--as you do--that these lead to quarrels;
World English Bible
But refuse foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing that they generate strife.
Young's Literal Translation
and the foolish and uninstructed questions be avoiding, having known that they beget strife,
Hummmm twenty different translations of the same verse on vain arguments and yet you're still here,arguing. I dont know about anyone else but I got it with the first translation.
S
My concern is what spirit in us or them that meets a person is being recognized?, the word says the world knows its own!! so many other scriptures to that effect on many topics in that same vein.
Sirk you make many valid points often yet we all from time to time say things from an emotional place rather than a spiritual one trying to find that balance between natural man and spiritual man is a difficult position when one is so accustomed to walking in the natural man zone rather than the spiritual. I think that is mainly the problem.
So for the record for me its not personal its ministry. Several brothers and sisters need to be taught how to be quick to hear and slow to speak and how not to get pulled into foolish debates such as this.
Just some observations
pastac
Sirk you make many valid points often yet we all from time to time say things from an emotional place rather than a spiritual one trying to find that balance between natural man and spiritual man is a difficult position when one is so accustomed to walking in the natural man zone rather than the spiritual. I think that is mainly the problem.
So for the record for me its not personal its ministry. Several brothers and sisters need to be taught how to be quick to hear and slow to speak and how not to get pulled into foolish debates such as this.
Just some observations
pastac
K
If this is all you got then you got work to do. As we all do in areas. My point is clear just look from a non Christians perspective at the words of professing Christian on this site and see if you see a difference. My answer is sometimes you do most times you don't! Cultural race denominations aside same Jesus same Holy Spirit same God (hopefully) yet so many attitude and beliefs on how to best win souls that is part of our mandate right? If Obama is a Christian he is owed an apology from all the foolishness spewed his way.
If he is not he needs prayer to change not the venom laden words that change nothing. After all it is about change right I mean did not our lives change once we mad Jesus Lord of our lives in totality or are many still trying to get that walk right. maybe he's trying to get it right but hey aren't we all! I just think talking about President Obama dc, Viligant warrior, Kaylagrl Sirk or any other of the notable posters is harmful when the intent to tear down and not build up is present and for the record personal politics aside on a stronger note no politics in Heaven! So the personal issues that stop ministry from having the full rang effect lies within each of us.
I examine myself each day for anything that displeases God and it has nothing to do with proper exegesis or dogma or any such it is merely a striving to be Christ like. I try hard and I see clearly my brothers and sisters struggle with separation of emotions from reality. Obama being a Christian or not wont stop me from heaven or you or anyone else but our sinful acts disobedience and disregard or God order will
pastac
If he is not he needs prayer to change not the venom laden words that change nothing. After all it is about change right I mean did not our lives change once we mad Jesus Lord of our lives in totality or are many still trying to get that walk right. maybe he's trying to get it right but hey aren't we all! I just think talking about President Obama dc, Viligant warrior, Kaylagrl Sirk or any other of the notable posters is harmful when the intent to tear down and not build up is present and for the record personal politics aside on a stronger note no politics in Heaven! So the personal issues that stop ministry from having the full rang effect lies within each of us.
I examine myself each day for anything that displeases God and it has nothing to do with proper exegesis or dogma or any such it is merely a striving to be Christ like. I try hard and I see clearly my brothers and sisters struggle with separation of emotions from reality. Obama being a Christian or not wont stop me from heaven or you or anyone else but our sinful acts disobedience and disregard or God order will
pastac
Well since my name was called out I guess I will answer.My words have not been venom laden.I have simply taken the president at HIS word.There is a difference between someone struggling to be the Christian they should be and trying to mature and someone who does the exact opposite of what a Christian ought to and believes the exact opposite.
“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord’ and you do not do what I say?” (Luke 6:46)
The following is a link to a speech he made at Planned Parenthood.You know,the one started by Margret Sanger,who was a racist eugenicist ? At the end of the speech he says "God Bless You" but that aside,its a speech,at Planned Parenthood!! The president has supported PP 100% of the time and has bragged on that record.
[h=1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUiB-2n2vPM[/h]
When recently talking about the atrocities of ISIS,raping both young and old,crucifying children and beheading untold amounts of people,the president told Christians not to get on their "high horse". Instead of condemning,in the strongest terms the satanic evil of ISIS he says,"hey Christians,you're no better!" Now theres a good Christian right there.The following is a quote from Marc Thiessen,sounds like a good point to me...
“It was evangelical Christians who fought slavery and Jim Crow. It was William Wilberforce who led the campaign against slavery. It was Martin Luther King who fought (segregation.)”
Thiessen drew a parallel of his own in Obama’s comparison, remarking, “It’s fascinating that he said people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. Has he ever said ISIS has committed terrible deeds in the name of Muhammad? Or in the name of Islam? No. … He said they kill in the name of religion. From WND
Obama has said on more than one occasion "We do not see ourselves as a Christian nation". Well Mr.Obama,speak for yourself,because I sure do!!
In a speech given to the United Nations General Assembly on Sept. 12, 2012, the president declared, “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”
Also in 2009, Obama told a French reporter, “f you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.” (In fact, in 2008 Christians made up 76-percent of the population at 173 million, religious Jews 1.2-percent at 2.6 million, and Muslims only 0.6-percent at 1.3 million.) Wishful thinking perhaps?
The president also supports the homosexual agenda and has changed "dont ask dont tell" in the military.He was interviewed in a gay magazine and made his support clear.
In his memoir, “Audacity of Hope,” Obama said he believed in the evolution of man from primates and did not believe, “as many evangelicals do,” that the Bible is without error
In a 2004 Chicago Sun-Times interview, Obama said:“I am a Christian. I’m rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there’s an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived.”
Leftist Bill Maher, host of HBO’s “Real Time,” doubted Obama is a practicing Christian.“I just don’t believe it,” he said in 2012.
Maher suspects the president is an atheist... Even atheists dont believe this man is a Christian!!!
In a free-ranging interview with the New York Times, Obama described the Muslim call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”
I dont know what Obama is but I know one thing,he is not a Christian!!! Please dont try to pass him off as such.Its an insult to God himself to call this man a Christian.
Acts 5:29
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But Peter and the apostles answered and said, " We must obey God rather than men.
So true Viligant_Warrior, we are to obey God only!
Romans 13:1-2
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
The Holy Spirit says we ARE to be subjected to the governing authorities. Obama IS the governing authority! By resisting Obama you are opposing God! And you will receive condemnation for doing it!
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But Peter and the apostles answered and said, " We must obey God rather than men.
So true Viligant_Warrior, we are to obey God only!
Romans 13:1-2
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
The Holy Spirit says we ARE to be subjected to the governing authorities. Obama IS the governing authority! By resisting Obama you are opposing God! And you will receive condemnation for doing it!
P
I'm just tired of being lied too. I don't trust Obama to do the right thing. Then again, there isn't many politicians that I trust period.
pastac
P
Well since my name was called out I guess I will answer.My words have not been venom laden.I have simply taken the president at HIS word.There is a difference between someone struggling to be the Christian they should be and trying to mature and someone who does the exact opposite of what a Christian ought to and believes the exact opposite.
“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord’ and you do not do what I say?” (Luke 6:46)
The following is a link to a speech he made at Planned Parenthood.You know,the one started by Margret Sanger,who was a racist eugenicist ? At the end of the speech he says "God Bless You" but that aside,its a speech,at Planned Parenthood!! The president has supported PP 100% of the time and has bragged on that record.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUiB-2n2vPM
When recently talking about the atrocities of ISIS,raping both young and old,crucifying children and beheading untold amounts of people,the president told Christians not to get on their "high horse". Instead of condemning,in the strongest terms the satanic evil of ISIS he says,"hey Christians,you're no better!" Now theres a good Christian right there.The following is a quote from Marc Thiessen,sounds like a good point to me...
“It was evangelical Christians who fought slavery and Jim Crow. It was William Wilberforce who led the campaign against slavery. It was Martin Luther King who fought (segregation.)”
Thiessen wondered why the president would criticize those who criticize ISIS atrocities, asking, “What does he mean by get off our high horse? And what kind of person looks at a video of a man being burned alive and his reaction is to say ‘Let’s not we in the West did that, too’?”
Thiessen drew a parallel of his own in Obama’s comparison, remarking, “It’s fascinating that he said people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. Has he ever said ISIS has committed terrible deeds in the name of Muhammad? Or in the name of Islam? No. … He said they kill in the name of religion. From WND
Obama has said on more than one occasion "We do not see ourselves as a Christian nation". Well Mr.Obama,speak for yourself,because I sure do!!
In a speech given to the United Nations General Assembly on Sept. 12, 2012, the president declared, “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”
Also in 2009, Obama told a French reporter, “f you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.” (In fact, in 2008 Christians made up 76-percent of the population at 173 million, religious Jews 1.2-percent at 2.6 million, and Muslims only 0.6-percent at 1.3 million.) Wishful thinking perhaps?
The president also supports the homosexual agenda and has changed "dont ask dont tell" in the military.He was interviewed in a gay magazine and made his support clear.
In his memoir, “Audacity of Hope,” Obama said he believed in the evolution of man from primates and did not believe, “as many evangelicals do,” that the Bible is without error
In a 2004 Chicago Sun-Times interview, Obama said:“I am a Christian. I’m rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there’s an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived.”
Leftist Bill Maher, host of HBO’s “Real Time,” doubted Obama is a practicing Christian.“I just don’t believe it,” he said in 2012.
Maher suspects the president is an atheist... Even atheists dont believe this man is a Christian!!!
In a free-ranging interview with the New York Times, Obama described the Muslim call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”
I dont know what Obama is but I know one thing,he is not a Christian!!! Please dont try to pass him off as such.Its an insult to God himself to call this man a Christian.
“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord’ and you do not do what I say?” (Luke 6:46)
The following is a link to a speech he made at Planned Parenthood.You know,the one started by Margret Sanger,who was a racist eugenicist ? At the end of the speech he says "God Bless You" but that aside,its a speech,at Planned Parenthood!! The president has supported PP 100% of the time and has bragged on that record.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUiB-2n2vPM
When recently talking about the atrocities of ISIS,raping both young and old,crucifying children and beheading untold amounts of people,the president told Christians not to get on their "high horse". Instead of condemning,in the strongest terms the satanic evil of ISIS he says,"hey Christians,you're no better!" Now theres a good Christian right there.The following is a quote from Marc Thiessen,sounds like a good point to me...
“It was evangelical Christians who fought slavery and Jim Crow. It was William Wilberforce who led the campaign against slavery. It was Martin Luther King who fought (segregation.)”
Thiessen drew a parallel of his own in Obama’s comparison, remarking, “It’s fascinating that he said people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. Has he ever said ISIS has committed terrible deeds in the name of Muhammad? Or in the name of Islam? No. … He said they kill in the name of religion. From WND
Obama has said on more than one occasion "We do not see ourselves as a Christian nation". Well Mr.Obama,speak for yourself,because I sure do!!
In a speech given to the United Nations General Assembly on Sept. 12, 2012, the president declared, “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”
Also in 2009, Obama told a French reporter, “f you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.” (In fact, in 2008 Christians made up 76-percent of the population at 173 million, religious Jews 1.2-percent at 2.6 million, and Muslims only 0.6-percent at 1.3 million.) Wishful thinking perhaps?
The president also supports the homosexual agenda and has changed "dont ask dont tell" in the military.He was interviewed in a gay magazine and made his support clear.
In his memoir, “Audacity of Hope,” Obama said he believed in the evolution of man from primates and did not believe, “as many evangelicals do,” that the Bible is without error
In a 2004 Chicago Sun-Times interview, Obama said:“I am a Christian. I’m rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there’s an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived.”
Leftist Bill Maher, host of HBO’s “Real Time,” doubted Obama is a practicing Christian.“I just don’t believe it,” he said in 2012.
Maher suspects the president is an atheist... Even atheists dont believe this man is a Christian!!!
In a free-ranging interview with the New York Times, Obama described the Muslim call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”
I dont know what Obama is but I know one thing,he is not a Christian!!! Please dont try to pass him off as such.Its an insult to God himself to call this man a Christian.
I have not argued one time I have only and I repeat only asked each to examine their words as they say they are a Christian period. calling your name out is no different than when you respond with your venom and spew. That is an opinion as your opinion is. Is your opinion more valid than mine or any other? I am a Christian I have a relationship with Christ. I have been seen and done things in ministry I am almost certain you have not.
I used the different translations to show how different people read and see different things in the same but different context of scripture. You say you got it the first time yet you have not got yet that your thoughts about if the President is or is not a Christian is just your opinion without facts. We are called to be first partakers of the word. If you think you are ok saying the president is not a Christian based on whatever standard you use then I'm ok saying you spew venom and have not yet grasped what you say you grasped the first time. Its simple really. Would you bet your life or the life of your child or loved one on your assumption either way if he is or if he isn't a Christian.
Taking excerpts from various new reports or conversations will not change my position, the comments one way or another just don't seem very Christian like from many perspectives. Like I said that wont keep me from heaven so why is it an issue that has so much attention. I'm about done with this point as many blame the president or dislike him for whatever reason and it has very little to do with being a Christian or not! You show a lack of respect for positions and it is obvious. That is just a clear observation.
You have a lot of gumption and brass to say who is or who is not a Christian after saying you don't know what he is, I guess you are on Gods level in your understanding according to your position. What if you are wrong and he is? Many people are at different stages in the station of their life you are I am many are but I'll tell you this I would never want you to speak on my behalf if you find a flaw in me,( and there are flaws present) as you have shown no regard for the difference in our stations in life and our walk. just a few thoughts
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I have not argued one time I have only and I repeat only asked each to examine their words as they say they are a Christian period. calling your name out is no different than when you respond with your venom and spew. That is an opinion as your opinion is. Is your opinion more valid than mine or any other? I am a Christian I have a relationship with Christ. I have been seen and done things in ministry I am almost certain you have not.
I used the different translations to show how different people read and see different things in the same but different context of scripture. You say you got it the first time yet you have not got yet that your thoughts about if the President is or is not a Christian is just your opinion without facts. We are called to be first partakers of the word. If you think you are ok saying the president is not a Christian based on whatever standard you use then I'm ok saying you spew venom and have not yet grasped what you say you grasped the first time. Its simple really. Would you bet your life or the life of your child or loved one on your assumption either way if he is or if he isn't a Christian.
Taking excerpts from various new reports or conversations will not change my position, the comments one way or another just don't seem very Christian like from many perspectives. Like I said that wont keep me from heaven so why is it an issue that has so much attention. I'm about done with this point as many blame the president or dislike him for whatever reason and it has very little to do with being a Christian or not! You show a lack of respect for positions and it is obvious. That is just a clear observation.
You have a lot of gumption and brass to say who is or who is not a Christian after saying you don't know what he is, I guess you are on Gods level in your understanding according to your position. What if you are wrong and he is? Many people are at different stages in the station of their life you are I am many are but I'll tell you this I would never want you to speak on my behalf if you find a flaw in me,( and there are flaws present) as you have shown no regard for the difference in our stations in life and our walk. just a few thoughts
pastac
I used the different translations to show how different people read and see different things in the same but different context of scripture. You say you got it the first time yet you have not got yet that your thoughts about if the President is or is not a Christian is just your opinion without facts. We are called to be first partakers of the word. If you think you are ok saying the president is not a Christian based on whatever standard you use then I'm ok saying you spew venom and have not yet grasped what you say you grasped the first time. Its simple really. Would you bet your life or the life of your child or loved one on your assumption either way if he is or if he isn't a Christian.
Taking excerpts from various new reports or conversations will not change my position, the comments one way or another just don't seem very Christian like from many perspectives. Like I said that wont keep me from heaven so why is it an issue that has so much attention. I'm about done with this point as many blame the president or dislike him for whatever reason and it has very little to do with being a Christian or not! You show a lack of respect for positions and it is obvious. That is just a clear observation.
You have a lot of gumption and brass to say who is or who is not a Christian after saying you don't know what he is, I guess you are on Gods level in your understanding according to your position. What if you are wrong and he is? Many people are at different stages in the station of their life you are I am many are but I'll tell you this I would never want you to speak on my behalf if you find a flaw in me,( and there are flaws present) as you have shown no regard for the difference in our stations in life and our walk. just a few thoughts
pastac
" Calling your name out is no different than when you respond with your venom and spew" Pastac can you please sight when I have spewed venom? I have used the mans own words.Please give proof of this venom I have spewed.And Im not giving my opinion,Ive stated his words and beliefs.Thats fact,not opinion.
"I have been seen and done things in ministry I am almost certain you have not." I doubt it.I began in ministry at the age of 16.I traveled in hundreds of churches over 20yrs I highly doubt you have seen anything I have not.
" You have not got yet that your thoughts about if the President is or is not a Christian is just your opinion without facts"
No Pastac that is the problem.I have presented ONLY FACTS Obama in HIS OWN WORDS. Those are not my words or my opinion and therefore not venom.Please read back what I said again.I think you're confusing me with someone else.And btw the "standard Im using" its called the Bible.
Yes I would bet my life on the president not being a Christian.Can he become one? Can he get saved? By all means!! Is he now a Christian? No,no doubt in my mind he is not a Christian.
"Taking excerpts from various new reports or conversations will not change my position, the comments one way or another just don't seem very Christian like from many perspectives." So first you accuse me of not stating facts.Then the facts that I do post,in HIS OWN WORDS,from news and interviews,those arent facts enough for you.I'd agree with you,his comments dont seem very Christian. The only perspective you're talking about is your own.You cant argue facts,even though you gave it a good try there. I show no lack of respect.I have called him president Obama,and I have shown no more disrespect than he did by saying Christians were "clinging to their God and their guns." Or when he mocked OT passages. Should one who mocks God have the respect of a Christian?
"You have a lot of gumption and brass to say who is or who is not a Christian after saying you don't know what he is"...I do not say who is or is not a Christian Pastac. Jesus does and HE says "NO ONE comes to the father except through ME" Obama doesn't believe that,therefore he is not a Christian. Not by MY standards but by Gods standards!! When I said I dont know what he is I mean I cant yet say I believe he is a Muslim,though I am leaning that way. But I do know he is not a Christian.
"I would never want you to speak on my behalf if you find a flaw in me" We're not talking about struggles every Christian has Pastac. We're talking about a man who brags about his support for the murder of children,who supports gay marriage,who believes we all believe in the same God.Thats just for starters.Then he mocks the Bible and Christians.What level of Christianity is that,pray tell? What station? Because it sure sounds like an unbeliever to me!
Pastac I think you need to give up this lecture to me.I am quite done.I have used only Obamas words and actions.I have not spewed venom and the only standard I have used is the Bible.Its not my words,nor my standards.To argue this further with me will only look quite silly.I have given the facts and to try and argue facts makes little sense.Unless you have a different argument, I think this one has been settled.