Did Adam's kids commit incest among themselves to achieve posterity?

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JaumeJ

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The laws are completed in each of us by Jesus Yeshua for He teaches any law that does not contain mercy should not be applied.
 

Lanolin

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I am quite fascinated by God pulling ribs out of Adam

So much easier than childbirth...

Also he made Adam fall asleep so it wasnt like He did it when he was wide awake.
 

Lanolin

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Just wonder who did Seth marry.

Everyone goes on about Cain finding a wife but what about Seth. It would seem Abel didnt have any children before Cain killed him.
 

Lanolin

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Genesis keeps repeating that it was the 'sons of God' going with the 'daughters of men'....not the 'daughters of God' going with the 'sons of men' or the sons and daughters of God going together...or the sons and daughters of men going together.

so it would seem the two sexes or genders had separate geneologies/lineages

I cant really figure out clearly in my mind why this is so but thats probably an explanation as to why that wasnt considered incest.
 
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Genesis keeps repeating that it was the 'sons of God' going with the 'daughters of men'....not the 'daughters of God' going with the 'sons of men' or the sons and daughters of God going together...or the sons and daughters of men going together.

so it would seem the two sexes or genders had separate geneologies/lineages

I cant really figure out clearly in my mind why this is so but thats probably an explanation as to why that wasnt considered incest.
So God created wives for the remaining two sons of Adam the same way he created a wife for Adam so they may not do an evil thing before the sight of the Lord?
 

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Very few women are mentioned in the Bible's genealogies and that's
typically because family names and tribal identities are passed down thru
men. In the grand scheme of things, women were intended to support men:
not to command men nor to be equally as important as men.

Gen 2:18 . .The Lord God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will
make a helper suitable for him.

Gen 3:16 . .Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.
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Lanolin

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So God created wives for the remaining two sons of Adam the same way he created a wife for Adam so they may not do an evil thing before the sight of the Lord?
well theres no reason why God couldnt just pull a rib out of Cain and one out of Seth the same as He did for Adam.
 
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well theres no reason why God couldnt just pull a rib out of Cain and one out of Seth the same as He did for Adam.
Could be, there are a lot of gaps in the Bible am sure God will explain to saints when we make it to paradise. Blessed hope. There are stories of Lilith, I know its not Biblical but keeping an open mind is good, because no one can be too sure.
 

JaumeJ

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Something to ponder though not the basis of any weird new doctrine. Adam may be translated as man or even mankind. In this sense we are all born sons of Adam but we become sons of God in Yeshua.
 

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Something to ponder though not the basis of any weird new doctrine. Adam may be translated as man or even mankind. In this sense we are all born sons of Adam but we become sons of God in Yeshua.
“Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but then adam ( male and female ) we’re tempted and we’re overcome by temptation and mankind fell into corruption sin and death they cursed all mankind who came from the first two sinners who were in adams flesh And Born of eves flesh

when they were cursed our whole human race was cursed into death because we all began in those two there was a fall into sin and death for mankind but man was originally Gods children when we were created

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a change when they were tempted and sinned

“This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


What we know as man is a corrupt version sinners aren’t Gods design for us but to be his image of righteousness and holiness.

Jesus is referred to as “ the second Adam “ the difference is when Jesus was tempted by the devil he overcame temptation !! They succumb to it and cursed thier seed to death . Jesus overcame it and blessed those born of Him.

“And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul;

the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Those born of the spirit the second birth will live in the kingdom. In the beginning of genesis we see what the issue is that we need saved from it’s what Adam and Eve did following temptation that’s what caused us to die and need salvstion.

we essentially ruined creation because he made us the rulers

“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we know one day this world will end and become the lake of fire made for the punishment of the ungodly

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but we in Christ have his promise ahead the one we can’t see yet until we pass through the veil . he promised a new creation which begins with Jesus the firstborn of all creation ( the new creation )

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17

There is the old creation that began with Adam and fell into sin and death and will end , and then there’s our Hope in Christ for this new creation ruled by righteousness and not sin like this world

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬

everyone born is part of the first doomed creation but everyone born again is born for the new creation to come
 

JaumeJ

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When God declared "Let us make man in our image," it was not in vain. He began His work in all of us who would be perfect at that moment, however most do not realize He is still doing it.
 

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Satisfied beyond doubt, no law no sin, Thank You guys for you efforts making this clear.
I don't think that's what Paul meant, that without the Law no sin is incurred. Rather, God doesn't hold one completely accountable for what he doesn't know is wrong. However, sin is wrong whether one understands it as such, and he is held accountable whether he knows why or not.

Sin preexisted the Law, and did not require the Law to know what wrong was. Man had been given a conscience from creation, and so knew what right and wrong were, even though his conscience had been corrupted and somewhat seared. If he had not been given a law against incest, then even though sin existed, it was not the incestuous relationship that was wrong--only the sin that took place there, since incest proves to be problematic in a corrupt society.

It is less problematic at the beginning, though. I won't spell out why at this point. Let me just say that kids are pretty safe when there are less social pressures.

As to incest, there was no law against it from the beginning, since God designed marriage within the family to be the initial springboard for ultimate fulfillment. Perhaps these are things about which Paul could not speak of in his visit to the 3rd heaven?

And like nudity, what made incest wrong was the introduction of sin into the mix. And sin is exposed after the effects of sin have changed the original mentality of man.

So what began as pure ended up being corrupted. The initial development of Man of necessity had to continue as planned, even though sin already existed. I'm sure God provided some dispensation of grace to allow it to continue for a brief time until the problems associated with inbreeding and sin could be dealt with by shelving it for something better in an environment of sin.
 

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When God declared "Let us make man in our image," it was not in vain. He began His work in all of us who would be perfect at that moment, however most do not realize He is still doing it.
amen and even though we keep resisting it and messing up he’s still at work on mankind

God truly is so amazing his forebearance toward man is hard to fathom for all we have done wrong against him and his other children he is everything we need I can’t wait to meet the lord in person I hope to hear his welcoming voice and plan on questioning people like Paul and Moses , Peter and Stephen unless the questions have faded by then

 
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I don't think that's what Paul meant, that without the Law no sin is incurred. Rather, God doesn't hold one completely accountable for what he doesn't know is wrong. However, sin is wrong whether one understands it as such, and he is held accountable whether he knows why or not.

Sin preexisted the Law, and did not require the Law to know what wrong was. Man had been given a conscience from creation, and so knew what right and wrong were, even though his conscience had been corrupted and somewhat seared. If he had not been given a law against incest, then even though sin existed, it was not the incestuous relationship that was wrong--only the sin that took place there, since incest proves to be problematic in a corrupt society.

It is less problematic at the beginning, though. I won't spell out why at this point. Let me just say that kids are pretty safe when there are less social pressures.

As to incest, there was no law against it from the beginning, since God designed marriage within the family to be the initial springboard for ultimate fulfillment. Perhaps these are things about which Paul could not speak of in his visit to the 3rd heaven?

And like nudity, what made incest wrong was the introduction of sin into the mix. And sin is exposed after the effects of sin have changed the original mentality of man.

So what began as pure ended up being corrupted. The initial development of Man of necessity had to continue as planned, even though sin already existed. I'm sure God provided some dispensation of grace to allow it to continue for a brief time until the problems associated with inbreeding and sin could be dealt with by shelving it for something better in an environment of sin.
I agree and that is why I was trying to tell everyone the law against murder was given in the Torah but Cain had already committed it so it is in an individual's conscientious knowledge of good and evil, from the first sin where the voice within tells us we have done something wrong, the law was just to reinforce but everyone knows the moral gravity of their actions from the inner man, the knowledge of good and evil from within.

When Adam and Eve ate that fruit, the knowledge of good and evil became revealed onto them hence they needed no law to remind them of what was good and what was evil. God however holds every soul to account for their actions prior to the knowledge of good and evil because their was a commandment to them not to do the act, so the law and the conscience of good and evil complete one another, the law existed with God prior to creation of Adam.

Isn't it amazing how laws are an intrinsic part of God's creation. He creates and then gives the creation some law to abide by and consequences for breaking those commandments. He creates them and gives them authority first and then a commandment not to eat from a certain fruit. and then his plan follows where an adversary cast out becomes the first opportunity for those laws to be broken, same adversary broke a law in heaven and was cast out, I think laws are eternal, they have always existed with God since eternity.
 

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So I was just wondering how Adam's kids managed to find wives when they were none except their sisters and if they did sleep with their sisters then why was that right in the creation context and wrong in the Torah? Does the law change for desperate circumstances hence the verse "I will show mercy to whom I will, I am the Lord". Can someone with deep scholarly roots in the Bible explain this to me please?
Adam's sons married their sisters. No law against it then. Same as there was no law requiring circumcision, but in Exodus (after the circumcision law came in), Moses nearly got killed by God for uncircumcision.
 

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well yea, Cain killed his brother and there wasnt any law given yet except for the one about the forbidden fruit.
It wasnt as if Abel had eaten it as well.

God did have mercy on Cain though and just gave him a mark instead of killing him as well, which He could have done to stop him from doing any more damage. Cain went on to find a wife and have children.

Am not sure exactly when his descendants died out, could have been in the flood. But then who were the Caananites etc descended from? They were troublesome after the flood.
 
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well yea, Cain killed his brother and there wasnt any law given yet except for the one about the forbidden fruit.
It wasnt as if Abel had eaten it as well.

God did have mercy on Cain though and just gave him a mark instead of killing him as well, which He could have done to stop him from doing any more damage. Cain went on to find a wife and have children.

Am not sure exactly when his descendants died out, could have been in the flood. But then who were the Caananites etc descended from? They were troublesome after the flood.
The Canaanites descended from Noah's son Ham. I agree that Cain's lineage could have been the one that provoked the flood with their sins.
 

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I dont think adam and eve were aiming to 'achieve posterity' or their children. I think they just multiplied because thats what God said they were to do. They werent thinking that far ahead.

anyway it is possible that God did the rib trick on Cain as well as Seth, because its not stated that Eve had daughters, but later on it is said that their descendants had sons AND daughters. So they could have married/had children with their cousins.