Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[Sipsey]

Wow! What a just god you have. He punishes sin twice over. And I thought you said Jesus' atonement was vicarious and efficacious.

In Christianity, eternal separation from God is primarily understood to be a consequence of sin. According to Christian doctrine, sin creates a separation between humanity and God because God is holy and cannot be in communion with sin. This separation is often described as spiritual death or eternal separation from God, which is the result of not being reconciled to Him through faith in Jesus Christ.

However, the key theological point in most Christian traditions is that while sin causes this separation, the opportunity for reconciliation is offered through Jesus’ sacrificial death and resurrection. Salvation is available to those who accept this gift through faith, repentance, and belief in Christ. Thus, eternal separation from God (often referred to as hell) is not solely because of sin itself, but because of a rejection of the reconciliation and salvation offered by God through Jesus Christ.

In short, it’s not just sin that separates a person from God eternally, but the refusal to accept God’s offer of forgiveness and redemption through Jesus.

 

[brightfame52]

Only if they responded to the Lord's offer of forgiveness when called...

False teaching nowhere in scripture

 

[Cameron143]

No one is going to hell for their sins.

And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. ​

And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged ​

according to their works, by the things which were written in the books." Rev 20:12​

All their works will be searched through. One work alone will not be found which will condemn them.

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Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son ​

of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”​

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Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”​

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Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” ​

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John 6:27-29​

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It becomes so simple once someone is able to point it out for us...

grace and peace ..............

So Jesus paid for their sins, God accepted His payment on their behalf, and then sends them to hell anyways? How is God just?

Sin doesn't send people to hell? Is unbelief sin?

 

[Cameron143]

Yes.

See post #10103.

 

[brightfame52]

@Sipsey

his separation is often described as spiritual death or eternal separation from God, which is the result of not being reconciled to Him through faith in Jesus Christ.

Those Christ died for arent reconciled to God through faith in Jesus Christ , but by the death of Jesus Christ they were reconciled to God, even while enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[Cameron143]

In Christianity, eternal separation from God is primarily understood to be a consequence of sin. According to Christian doctrine, sin creates a separation between humanity and God because God is holy and cannot be in communion with sin. This separation is often described as spiritual death or eternal separation from God, which is the result of not being reconciled to Him through faith in Jesus Christ.

However, the key theological point in most Christian traditions is that while sin causes this separation, the opportunity for reconciliation is offered through Jesus’ sacrificial death and resurrection. Salvation is available to those who accept this gift through faith, repentance, and belief in Christ. Thus, eternal separation from God (often referred to as hell) is not solely because of sin itself, but because of a rejection of the reconciliation and salvation offered by God through Jesus Christ.

In short, it’s not just sin that separates a person from God eternally, but the refusal to accept God’s offer of forgiveness and redemption through Jesus.

Refusing or not refusing is not something a person does? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is a command? Does the law now save?

 

[brightfame52]

So Jesus paid for their sins, God accepted His payment on their behalf, and then sends them to hell anyways? How is God just?

Sin doesn't send people to hell? Is unbelief sin?

Yes unbelief is sin, and if Christ died for sin, He died for unbelief

 

[Sipsey]

Refusing or not refusing is not something a person does? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is a command? Does the law now save?

I thought what I posted was fairly clear. Apparently not to some.

Refusing or not refusing is not something a person does? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is a command? Does the law now save?

You may draw any conclusion you wish. What I posted is a simplistic presentation, that many can use at face value, or to convolute into fanciful doctrines.

 

[Cameron143]

I thought what I posted was fairly clear. Apparently not to some.

You may draw any conclusion you wish. What I posted is a simplistic presentation, that many can use at face value, or to convolute into fanciful doctrines.

Just some questions that came to mind. If Jesus did indeed pay for the sins of all humanity, and God accepted the payment, and if unbelief is a sin, wouldn't it already have been covered?
God is sovereign, and free to put any condition upon man He chooses. But if belief is a requirement for salvation and not a condition of salvation, how is salvation of grace? And if God accepts payment for sin yet still requires some to pay for their sins, how is God just?